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    • Very poorly worded.... I would read this to say you must determine whether you can adjust sights before you begin shooting for score... If you can adjust, then do requirement l) and show that you can shoot 15 shots (five groups of three) that can be covered by a quarter. (It doesn't matter where that grouping is on the target.)  Then, m) make the adjustment and then shoot 25 shots (five of five) for score (which aims for bullseye)  In this scenario, Scouts must shoot a minimum of 40 rounds.  If you cannot adjust, you must shoot 25 shots (five groups of five) that can be covered by a quarter.  Again, these groupings can be anywhere on the target.  Then explain how to adjust.  In this scenario, Scouts could complete the requirement with a minimum of 25 rounds.  
    • We've had a few folks post that their SM refused to allow OA elections.  I always thought it was the duty of the SM and assistant scout masters to make program opportunities available which comport with the program, the OA being among them. If the scouts decide not to participate, so be it, but at least they self-select not to participate. We've had the scouts decide not to attend district camporees, mainly because the theme was the same, year to year-cooking-sponsored by a unit which essentially had to fund the materials themselves and did so marginally.  It was all lecture-scouts simply watched and did not get to participate.  That played out for about 6 years. Our troop only attended the first year. We haven't had resistance to participating in OA, but I can see how the ceremony may not engage the imaginations of modern scouts. I do not know how uniform the OA ceremonies are from Lodge to Lodge. Some may be more engaging than others. In my several year NCAP team involvement, I've seen great variability in the quality of facilities, equipment, and supplies.  Probably largely the result of budgetary constraints. It is a tough business putting on a respectable summer camp program.  Only a strong cadre of returning staff make it work.  
    • @ThenNow  From my understanding, there were many professionals who felt that something constructive should result from the information in the IVF.  After seeing the ones that were publicly released, the paucity of information, especially for older cases, would tend to negate any useful study.  My understanding is that legal counsel and PR were rather emphatic to keep everything behind lock and key.   So feel better that efforts have been made.  I feel that examining the files and consulting with experts could have provided enhanced warnings and some keys.     The 1960’s and early 1970’s was a time when people tended to deny that such things were occurring, though the BSA and other organizations knew that it was.  Hard to remember the attitude of the time but it might have required convincing.     In your case, it is obvious to me that there was concealment.  Not sure that applies to all cases.     Many mistakes were made that had tragic effects.  
    • Hugely agree.  When my dad was a kid, they played cowboys and indians.  Gabby Hayes and John Wayne were in the theaters.  My friends and I played Hogans Heroes as kids.  We watched re-runs of Gilligans Island.  This generation has been online their whole lives playing Minecraft and drowning in politically correct messages. The OA scripts are old and out of place.  Much of the script can be salvaged. ... Time for something simple and authentic. 
    • I am just back from my third summer camp as an adult. I was a Scout in the 1970’s.  So I am constantly trying to reconcile memory with current observation. The first summer camp that I participated in as an adult we had one Scout called out for OA. I believe that was the last OA election the Troop had. The fellow that was chosen declined the honor. . The next years no elections.  I watched our Scouts during the OA ceremony at summer camp and I was pretty sure there would be no interest in OA nominations going forward. Dutifully eavesdropping after the ceremony this year, I heard a couple of Scouts call the proceedings “cringy”. The crazy script, 1950’s western movie delivery with the mismatched costuming, I totally understand why these kids found it off putting. It seems more Mardi Gras than honor society. We have a number of adults serving in our troop who were in OA as youth. Our most recent SM is in OA. My father was in OA as an adult. None of us are discouraging participation but kids are different than when I was a kid. They aren’t buying this package. We aren’t pressing. Maybe it is time to reevaluate the presentation.  
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