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Mrjeff last won the day on April 9

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    South West Georgia
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    Retired Lieutenant, Tift County Sheriff's Office
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    boating, scouts, reading, outdoor activities, horrormovies
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    born 1960, joined scouts 1971, enlisted in USMC 1978, 1992 exited marines and entered law enforcement, retired 2016

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  1. I still think that we the original principals of BP, Hillcourt, Beard, or any of the other founders, we should accept and employ them all. Corporate leadership, community leadership, military leadership, and McDonalds leadership are all similar, but very unique at the same time. Boy Scout leadership mimics military leadership as long as it is allowed. To be successful the leader is given responsibility as well as authority. One without the other is useless. Many adults refuse to recognize this in light of liability. As far as positive personal development, that is up to the individual. Scouting has become encumbered with rules, regulations, policies, directives and "you can't do that's " that it is very challenging to have fun and let the boys be themselves. Either past ideas are relevant or they are not. With all of the academic development, teaching methodology, the implied necessity that character development is the purpose of the BSA there is no time for fun. The lesson plans that are in place for adults are more in line with something that Ford or ATT is looking for and is far removed from what is needed for successful Scout leaders. Again, the proof is in the pudding or perhaps the sludge.
  2. That's a very nice history lesson. I still stand by my statement that it is not possible to teach someone to be ethical, have good character, be honest, have a relationship with a diety, be courageous or to accept and respect any point of the scout law. It is also impossible to teach a person to be a good and competent leader. A person can be instructed in technique, the definition of terms and academic principles. A person must then decide if these are relevant based on many external factors and if they should apply these to themselves. I also think that is dangerous to meddle in developmental areas if the "teacher" is not knowledgeable in these areas. If this were not the case every graduate from our military academies would all be great leaders both in the military and in the civilian community. There is also a very real time factor involved. A few meetings a month and 11 or 12 camping trips does not provide the needed exposure to be effective. That's reality, that's fact, and I stand by it. Adults should deliver the Scouting program as it is designed and let the character development take it's own course.
  3. I think you should just reexamine and contemplate my post so you have a better understanding of my comments.
  4. I find it interesting that people quote BP like they quote the Bible. Bits and pieces are pulled out in order to fit the situation. If we choose to follow the advice of BP and quote it as an absolute, shouldn't we quote all of it?
  5. Yes, it looks like that we are on the same track. Present scouting as it should be presented and the character building, leadership, and self reliance will be a byproduct. Trying to teach, character, integrity, honesty, self reliance.........can't really be done. But, provide an attractive path to those ends and that path will be followed.
  6. Barry, Perhaps you should research the history of the Scouting movement to include it's origins in the United Kingdom. I think you will find that it was started by a few adults in support of young men. You may also consider reading "Two Lives of a Hero" and you may discover some info about the origins of Scouting.
  7. Sorry, but building character and leadership is not, and has never been the sole purpose of Scouting. It is just another bu#% s%&t idea that somebody came up with and a lot of people bought it. Scouting is and was and always has been a way for boys, yes boys, to get together and have fun. There is a system of goal setting, accomplishment, and recognition, but it's all about having fun. Lessons will be learned, character will be developed, but that is not the focus. If Scouting is presented as it is ment to be presented without the consistent intrusion of adults who assume they know all there is about youth development, the youth will develop. Somebody, somewhere sold the Boy Scouts a bill of goods that turned out to be stinking fish. Scouting is fun adventure that in itself teaches leadership and develops character. Having a program for teaching leadership and developing character is just basakward. Oh, but the Scouting program also includes the Scout Oath and Law and both of them have been flushed down the toilet. This is reality and trying to do it backwards just does not work and the proof is in the pudding.
  8. I have been involved in Scouting most of my life and would love to attend a leadership. Unfortunatly I have had some physical challenges pop up and I just dont know if I can do this without being a burden to the rest of the group. Basically, I just can't walk very far. If I were to attend, could provisions be made to help with getting from place to place? I first attended WB in 1982, in Columbus, GA. We had two older ladies (70+) in our patrol and there was a gentleman in a wheel chair in another patrol. Anyone who has been around a while knows that WB back then was much closer to the leadership challenge, then today's WB. If it were possible, I would love to attend.
  9. Good by, God Bless, and Rest in Peace.
  10. Hey cousin, I'm sorry if I made unpopular posts but I never said one word about whiney parents, the virus, or anything that didn't have something to do with the downfall of the Boy Scouts. I think it's funny and hypocritical how people dance around their opinions by being polite. The problems that have caused this whole thing are simple. Allowing the LGBTQ society to openly function in the Boy Scouts weather or not they are welcome; watering down the program so it doesn't come close to being in line with the Boy Scouts; allowing openly LGBTQ to be adult leaders; over pricing everything from scout socks to a Philmont trip, overspending for projects that aren't needed like the white elephant the Summit Bechtel Reserve with its boutique type shops, national park like visitor center, and super size learning centers that can house hundreds of people. All of this when membership is still dropping like a rock. And dont give me any more crap about allowing outside corporate use because no big business is going to a place where the closest airport is three hours away. Then, because "the parents love the idea" or "the girls are excited" and in reality it was a final last ditch effort to increase membership, they allowed girls into every program of the Boy Scouts, the Boy Scouts. That's where the real problems l are and that has nothing to do with the virus or with crying parents. I doubt this post will be around long, but I said out loud what everybody else didn't have the brass to say.
  11. In my opinion, I think that you guys are right on the money. Camping is adventure and being able to take care of yourself. Getting Eagle and earning Eagle are two completly opposite. And to just be plain, it really pisses me off when someone says "Eagle out" or "Age out". I'm 60 years old and I didn't Eagle our or age out. People who use these phrases should replace them with "Cop Out".
  12. A. Restrict membership to those who agree to abide by the Scout Oath and Scout Law, regardless of what part of society it discriminates against and I do not apologize for this statement. B. Get the focus off of teaching life lessons and let the lessons be learned through the Scouting program and not try to use Scouting to teach lessons. C. Restrict the BOY SCOUTS to boys. If girls don't like the Girl Scouts then change the Girl Scouts, and quit trying to drive a square peg into a round peg. I know what went on at the World Jamboree, condoms and the morning after pill given to anybody who wants one and try to make that line up with YPT, how hypocritical. D. Let Woodbadge be Woodbadge and stop catering to those who think that the program was too tough. E. Take a hard, close look at the way Scouting was conducted years ago (1950s-1970s) and bring back that standard of excellence. F. Every person on the national committee, executive board, club, or ego boosting click should watch Follow Me Boys to learn about troop administration. G. Focus on the Boy Scouts and guitar trying to rebuild by overrecruting Cub Scout age children who lose interest and quit after three months. H. Let the boys get away from their families and enjoy their place in the club without worrying about families hanging around every time the Scouts take a trip. If this hurts somebody's feelings, offends someone, or appears prejudicial or sexist doesnt bother me one bit. Let the Boy Scouts be for the boys, and be a place where they can hang out with their friends, have a good time, and can simply just by boys.
  13. God Bless my friend. Someone I Know has contacted local government officials and requested financial assistance for just such activities. These include judges, the Sheriff, Tax Commissioner, Lawyers, juvenile court officials, physicians and anyone else who has a vested interest in the community. Someone I Know has always been successful and has always achieved Someone I Know's objective. In fact, some of these folks have special accounts and funds for these types of things.
  14. I dont know you but I have known many like you. I would guess that you joined up because you like kids, believed in the program, and was interested in a job where you could have a positive impact on young people. Remember I'm just guessing here. You felt that this was a great oppertunity and would be a great and rewarding job. These are some of the reasons that I entered government service. After several years of beating your head against a wall, being criticized and chastised despite your best efforts to succeed, removing numerous fixed blade cutting instruments from your back, and having your decisions questioned at every turn, you find it very difficult to remember just why you signed on. Just guessing.
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