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Mrjeff last won the day on December 30 2019

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About Mrjeff

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    South West Georgia
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    Retired Lieutenant, Tift County Sheriff's Office
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    boating, scouts, reading, outdoor activities, horrormovies
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    born 1960, joined scouts 1971, enlisted in USMC 1978, 1992 exited marines and entered law enforcement, retired 2016

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  1. Mrjeff

    National Leadership, Surbaugh Leave of Absense

    I certenly wish no Ill will on our former BSA CEO, and pray for his complete recovery. I also question the necessity of having such a huge machine devouring tangible resources. A lot of very unpopular decisions were made that has had a negative impact on those individuals who mattered the most, the boys they were supposed to support. As a result many dedicated members, both youth and adult, have elected to leave. As a result the machine has less to do and should be reduced in order to survive the loss of the product demand. Even Baden Powell made the statement that the scouts should never become a professional organization because it will reduce the idea of civic mindedness among the volunteers. I have a slightly different list of necessary professionals that include council and district executives, camp rangers, and administrative assistants. I would also suggest that those professionals be allowed to focus on service to its members and not be forced to concentrate on growth. If the BSA had a good product, to sell, people would buy it and growth would be automatic. The focus and measure of success is now based on numbers and statistics and the idea of fun, fellowship, and personal growth has been burried by the numbers. I wish the new CEO well and I really hope that he will be the guiding light on these stormy seas.
  2. Mrjeff

    "pitch a fit" induction

    Yea, but apparently people are still reading it.
  3. Imagine that, when I was talking to the GM he fell back on the problems with the organization. My reply was, "Should the Catholic church be disbanded, or perhaps every church that has had similar problems be disbanded?" He really didn't have a response and it left him speechless. Hmmmmm..........a speechless radio guy...........you dont see that everyday...
  4. I believe that at one time the Boy Scouts was a group of boys and men who worked together to teach and demonstrate all of the points of the scout oath and law. The men showed the boys how to be scouts in the woods, at home and school, at camp, and at church. The Boy Scouts was a private orgination that required a person to fill out an application, pay a fee, and abide by their rules. If you chose not to do these things you chose not to belong. Somehow these things changed and rather then stand on the principles agreed to by the members the rules were changed and many members decided that rather then conform to the new rules they would walk away, and others, who were not members, did not like the changes and just decided not to participate. Scouting is in danger and unless there in not a reorganized, revamped, and begin to follow the dictates of the Scout Oath and Law, Boy Scouting will fade away. Sadly, it may be, that our modern society that the Boy Scouts of America has lost its relevance in the light of liberal and permissive views.
  5. I was recently listening to a Christian radio program and the guest speaker made the comment that he wished the Boy Scouts of America would be disbanded and go away. I took offence to this comment and called the GM of that station to give him my point of view. I also told him that there are plenty of people in the scouts that are still trying to "do the right thing" and provide a positive experience for young people. Unfortunately the GM agreed with the speaker which demonstrates a conservative and accepted attitude that the Boy Scouts no longer provides a wholesome and valuable program.
  6. Mrjeff

    Discouraged: A Very Poor Call Out Ceremony

    P.S. I apologize for appearing negative about the OA. I think it is a grand group of young people, and our lodge is administered and run by our Lodge Chief, and his LEC (Lodge Executive Committee). Nothing, and I mean nothing, effecting the lodge gets by without the Chief's blessing. The hardest part of being the Lodge Advisor is making sure this happens without well intentioned adult interference. By this time almost everyone realises that this is the way things are and my common response is "that's a good idea and I'll let the Chief know and he can bring it to the LEC." Again, I focus on our lodge and what they want to do, and I am more concerned about our guys and less about section, region, or national wants. I want our members to enjoy their activities and be proud of their membership.
  7. Mrjeff

    Discouraged: A Very Poor Call Out Ceremony

    I I certenly agree with what you have said. I recently attended the "National OA Webinar" and when one of the national officers said that the members should engage the new members after the ordeal and "WE HAVE A SCRIPT TO USE" I tuned it out. For christmas sake, they actually developed a SCRIPT to use when someone walks up to somebody to say hi!!!! I am a current lodge advisor and the more "National" jambs down my throat or tyres to jamb down my throat, the more resistant I become. They have forbidden the use of regalia for crossover ceremonies because "a Native american was offended". Who was this individual, where was he from, and what offended him/her? Those questions are never answered. Soooooo, fine we'll take of the bonnets, put on coon skin caps and conduct the ceremony as mountain men, and leave the OA out of it. They try to regulate ceremonies, regalia, verbiage, site set up and anything else that the lodge does. Then they spout rhetoric about how they support the lodges. Now, each section will be required to put on a 6 hour block of training for every elected officer, every year. The even want to tell us what we can have on our patches. I can't help but wonder what training, education, and life experiences this very small group of rule makers have that allows them to set regulations for young folks all over the country. The BSA and the OA have become very corporate and number orientated and have successfully taken a lot of the fun out of scouting. On top of that, they have greatly increased the registration fees, and they want me to sign a release so they, whoever that is, can have access to all of my personnel information anytime they want to check, and then release that information whenever they want. My attorney advised me not to sign that. If the whole bag of worms were to be dumped out I truly think that the Boy Scouts of America relinquished its principles, morals, and ethics in exchange for political correctness. These recent unpopular decisions made by "them" has caused a downward spiral that may not be recovered. I still love scouting, but I focus on our lodge and council and will support "my kids" to the best of my ability. Perhaps the actual Lodge Advisors and Lodge Chiefs should have a national conference without any outside interference. I just bet we could fix some things and put some fun back into scouting.
  8. Mrjeff

    Where would you go?

    Wow, wow, wow, another price increase. I think it's pretty obvious that the BSA is not doing very well as an orgination managed by a central entity. It would appear that many many negative influences have risen up and the BSA is having a hard time dealing with them. I see that it has become very corporate and has lost focus on why people join scouting and why they stay around. At this time of the year the big focus is on growth and developing new units. Then popcorn season, .......and the cycle continues. I would suggest that the BSA think about an entirely different approach. Restructure from the top down. Look at the salaries of the senior executive staff, look at property holdings, look at programs that are not universaly productive, and support what they have and not worry so much about what we want to have. Scouting is changing but it just doesn't have "the draw" that it had when I was a boy; my two sons, both Eagles, dont have the interest that I have; and my grandson, who has to finish his eagle project, has even less interest. It may be that, like so many successful business, the BSA has overextended and just can't make the money needed to sustain it's assets. It may be that thay are having trouble with competing markets. It may be that they underestimated the impact of recent, controversial decisions. It may be that they overpriced themselves to the point that people dont think the product is worth the price anymore. Or, sadly it may be that the business of scouting, along with its values, standards, activities, adventure, oppertunities, and traditions, has simply run it's course like so many extinct organizations. (Gimbles, Wanamakers, JC Penny, Woolworths, Packard, Hudson, D.A.R.E., Dacor, U.S. Divers, Bob's Candy, and this list could go on for pages). I really think that people with a better prospective on business then I have, should reevaluate this whole thing from top to bottom, bottom to tob, and every angle, and reorganize the whole thing and try to save what we have.........before the whole show disappears completely.
  9. I spoke with my attorney and he told me that this document is too broad and open ended. I am ok with criminal background checks but this appears to be an agreement allowing the BSA and their employees to look into every aspect and area of my private life (my attorney agrees). I plan to make several pen changes, and have that form notarized before turning it in. I also dont like the idea of them sharing information. I'm a retired Marine and law enforcement officer and held a final top secret security clearance so clearly I have nothing to hide. But I dont think that the BSA should have access to all of my private information.
  10. I first attended WB in 1982, SE-293. I then attended WB for 21st Century, and is was very different from the last course. I have also participated in many courses and they were all a little different. I am going to attend the Summit course in Jan 2020 as a participant and I'm sure that it will be quite different from the first 2 courses that I attended. No matter if you took the Explorer Leader course at Schiff or the newest of the new course at the Summit, they all provide an enjoyable and informative training opportunity.
  11. Mrjeff

    "pitch a fit" induction

    This is certenly a sensitive situation. Perhaps this sh ould be brought to the attention of the Lodge Advisor who could look into the facts surrounding this induction. Then the Lodge Advisor can pass it on to the Lodge Chief who can present it to the LEC and let them decide. That way Scoutmasters, committees, and unit members who have a specific interest will be removed from any decision that is made. I suggest that whenever there is a conflict involving the OA, the Lodge Chief and his LEC be informed and allowed to take what action deemed appropriate.
  12. Mrjeff

    "Unofficial uniform"

    I certainly apologize for commenting on an old topic, regardless of relevance. Everyone has opinions on this subject: wearing mentor pins, too many square knots, official hat, socks, belt, and is the neckerchief worn under the collar of is the collar turned under. How many wear official socks, and if not are you in uniform? If it's cold outside and you put on a generic wool hat are you suddenly out of uniform therefore preventing you from giving the scout salute at flag raising? What exactly goes on the back of a merit badge sash? Can you wear your hat inside? Can you wear a sheath knife on your belt? Jeeeeeesssssss....these issues are something that I choose not to occupy my mind. Others can if they choose to do so, but I would respectfully request that you do not attempt to correct those with differing opinions. I will refrain from making any additional comments and I again apologize for dredging up such an old and irrelevant topic.
  13. Mrjeff

    "Unofficial uniform"

    I dont think this is exactly correct. I was at the National Law Enforcement Conference in Washington DC when Jim Kaminski made the initial announcement concerning Explorers being removed from traditional units and being placed with Learning for Life and it was far more complex than that. Most of us in attendance were not very supportive of this change and the reasons for this change.
  14. Mrjeff

    "Unofficial uniform"

    I agree that proper uniforming is important but I do not place it high on the list of priorities. I believe that the reason Venture Scouts can choose their own uniform requirements is a direct coorilation with the fact that many young adults don't like the idea of wearing a uniform. I don't like the idea of wearing a scout shirt with jeans, and I don't like generic ball caps with the uniform bug I would rather see the youth then gripe about his Atlanta Braves ball cap. I think it's silly to have a position patch on both sleeves or to have a row of six service star above the pocket. But if someone chooses to do that it is fully and completely their decision and it is neither my responsibility or duty to correct that person. At one time it was appropriate to wear one national and one world jamboree patch above the pocket. Although that has changed some still do it and to me it is of no consequence. If a person wants to wear a mentor pin, eagle parents pin, or 25 square knots it is of no consequence. On one occasion I knew a scouter who wore a Vigil pin on each collar and there are many who wear a legend patch on the back of their OA sash. Beaded OA sashes are prohibited but a lot of people wear them and even Mr. Goodman is seen in pictures wearing a beaded sash. That's not to mention special shoulder loops or awards that are authorized and presented by local councils. To me, in the grand scheme of things it just is no big deal. As far as lessons go, everything that young folks do does not need to be a lesson, some things are just fun. I also feel that adults who are uneducated in the area of psychology, sociology, psychiatry, peer pressure, and all of the outside factors that contribute to a person's individuality should proceed with caution when attempting to teach a lesson on ethics, morality, honesty, and human interaction. I wonder how many volunteer "teachers" are familiar with the basic learning modalities and are skilled in the techniques needed for each of them. But that's another subject. These are my thoughts and opinions on the subject. In short, I choose my battles carefully without losing focus on more critical issues.
  15. Mrjeff

    "Unofficial uniform"

    Like I clearly stated, I have my own opinion and if its offensive or off-putting to you, I dont care. I made no assumptions about issues like character or values. I did say THAT IF YOU ARE THAT FOCUSED ON THE UNIFORM perhaps you should focus on the person and not his CLOTHES. I would also suggest that I am very aware of proper uniformity after having spent many years in the United States Marine Corps, and as a senior law enforcement. Covers or hats were mandatory regardless of the emergence of a situation, footwear and undergarments were regulated. I grew up in a scouting world where socks and LEATHER SHOES WERE REQUIRED, as were necherchief and slide. During my first Wood Badge course your shirt was devoid of insignia, shorts and knee socks were required and a detailed uniform inspection was conducted every morning. As far as I can tell this rigidity had little or no effect on my value, character, work ethic, or overall view of humanity. I heard a Wood Badge scoutmaster make the statement that a hand made woggle is only for use by Wooc Badge participants; and I heard an adult tell a scout that they can't wear a handmade woggle as it is only for use by Wood Badgers. Well when I had to wear shorts and knee socks it was clearly explained that everything we did, including wiggles was to be applied to our units. Somewhere the entire focused has shifted from having a grand time to regulation, oversize, teaching lifes lessons, and control. Even the mission statement fails to mention "fun". Perhaps that is why our membership is down and young people would rather do something else. My training, education, and experience has led me to believe that "if it ain't fun, the kids wont do it". So, continue to focuse on the clothes and lesson teaching if you want to; but I will continue to focus on the youth and their desire to have good clean fun. As I previously stated, THIS IS MY OPINION AND NO AMOUNT OF ELOQUENT DIALOGUE IS GOING TO CHANGE IT. Your opinion is important even if I dont agree with it and I would respectfully suggest that you do what you do, and mind your own opinion without attempting to change the important opinions of others. Unit leaders are responsible for the appearance of their unit and adults are responsible for their own appearance. And since I agree that there are no real uniform or patch police no one has the responsibility of correcting or criticizing another's choice in what they put on their shirt. If someone feels that it is their duty to do so they assume the position of the mythical uniform police.