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  2. The Latin Scot

    OA Adviser Insignia?

    Hey all! This month I started service as our OA Chapter Secretary Adviser. Well, at our Roundtable last night the previous adviser to the secretary handed me a badge of office that says "Order of the Arrow Chapter Adviser" on it, and told me I could put it on my uniform. However - isn't this patch for THE Chapter Adviser? He told me all the advisers, for all the positions, wear them, but I am pretty sure only the adviser to the Chapter Chief is supposed to wear it. Am I right? Or just hopelessly confused? Any and all information is helpful. Thanks all!
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  4. SSScout

    Out of control scout master

    I concur with the previous comments. 1) Reflect on what might have triggered such a response. Over the phone and not in person? Interesting.... 2) Reflect on the Scout Promise and Law. Those are upon which Scout Leaders should base their behavior . 3) Speak (as recommended) in person with the Committee Chair and the Charter Organization Representative. Your sponsoring Charter Organization ( the church or school or club that sponsors your Cub Pack) is supposed to be represented by the COR to the Scout world. Many CORs are merely "signers" on the paperwork, but you have a right to require their participation here. The Committee Chair , with the Committee, helps decide the activities of the Pack that the Cubmaster leads. The CCh needs to hear of this event post haste. Next in the line of responsibility for the Cub Pack is the Institution Head, or as mentioned above, the Executive Officer. This might be the club president, or the church Head Pastor, or the Fire Department Chief, who ever heads the Charter Organization. They will want to hear of your travail. 4) Bullying? I would consider it so. Certainly not the action of a "reasonable" adult Scout Leader. Reflect on how these folks act toward your Cubs. Is there another problem ? 5) Go on line and find the District Leadership. You may know your Unit Commissioner, or not, but you can find the name and contact your District Commissioner, who would be the next resource to contact about this event. 6) Keep notes. Write down when and what was said by whom. Such notes may come in handy later. 7) Try to remember, "it's for the kids".
  5. Thunderbird

    Hello Everyone

    Make sure that you get a copy of the newest Wolf Handbook and Den Leader Guide. When you come up with your den meeting plans, I would recommend that you start with the requirements that are listed in the handbook, then look in the Den Leader Guide for ideas / suggestions. In many cases, you don't have to do all of the requirements (do X of Y of the following requirements), so this gives you some flexibility on how to best deliver the program to your Wolf Scouts. Talk to your pack leadership about rank advancement and when it traditionally happens for your pack. You can use that date to backwards plan your meetings. Remember that you can assign requirements to be done at home or with the family. Some den leaders assign the Duty to God adventures to be done at home. The pamphlet How to Protect Your Children From Child Abuse: A Parent's Guide needs to be done at home. Communicate with the parents about what they need to do to help their Wolf Scout earn the rank or other adventures / awards. Written communication is frequently better than verbal (because they have something to refer to). Whenever possible, keep it simple, make it fun!
  6. ParkMan

    Hello Everyone

    That's awesome your taking this one. Being a den leader is one of the best volunteer jobs ever. I'd go further than ask the pack committee for materials. Your pack ought to have a membership co-ordinator. This person should be driving a program of recruiting new members every year. No worries if you pack doesn't have one - most don't. However, if they don't, you ought to lean on the pack committee to help in recruiting for your den. Things I'd do: - publicize to the pack and any attached troops & crews that you're looking for members to grow the den. Ask for their help in referring folks - get fliers out to the school classes that feed your pack - get the Cubmaster to get a recruiter program started amongst the boys. Make a big deal when a scout recruits a friend - ask for help from pack families to send emails to neighborhood email lists - put up flyers in libraries, shopping centers, etc. - work with the pack committee to get a visit the pack day schedulded. Put the word out that you want visitors. - reach out to your district membership chair. See if they have any ideas on how more to recruit in your area. Best of luck!!!!
  7. epiieq1

    Hello Everyone

    That's my plan Terasec. I'm hoping to talk to the pack leadership at our meeting on Monday to get some of the materials from them and see what I can do.
  8. Eagle1993

    Per WSJ -BSA may declare bankruptcy

    I hope Philmont would be safe given your comments. But what about Sea Base? I was really hoping to go there with my son in a few years.... but I could imagine that is prime real estate. Hope that they can hold onto it.
  9. Sentinel947

    Per WSJ -BSA may declare bankruptcy

    I think it'd be hard to sell too. It's in the middle of nowhere. People only come their because it's Philmont. People only work there for low pay because it's Philmont. Remove the property from being a BSA property, and it loses much of it's value. The only thing it would be sold for is resource extraction, and that'd be a darn shame.
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  11. Liz

    use of the word "Lord" in scouting?

    As a Christian, I completely agree with this. "In Your Name" or "In His Name" are common ways Christians end prayers and it means exactly the same thing as "In Jesus' Name." IMO, it is a Christian prayer ending. If anybody else ever uses it, I have never run across it. It is specifically a reference to part of the New Testament aka Christian Bible and as far as I know definitely doesn't fit with the non-sectarian aim of a group Scouting prayer. In our Pack we have Christians, Jews, and a "reverent agnostic" for lack of a better way to describe it. I would shy away from using phrases coined by any organized religion, including this one.
  12. RememberSchiff

    Per WSJ -BSA may declare bankruptcy

    The Boy Scouts of America is on the verge of bankruptcy because its insurance companies are balking at paying settlements to almost a dozen men who claim they were sexually abused as boys by a notorious scoutmaster, a spokeswoman confirmed Friday. Since August, the venerable organization has been battling insurers INA, which is now part of Chubb, and National Surety, which is an Allianz company, and the Hartford Accident and Indemnity Co., court records show. “We remain in disputes with some carriers and look forward to a resolution that benefits victims and helps them on their journey towards healing,” BSA spokeswoman Effie Delimarkos said in a statement to NBC News. That statement was seconded by Christopher Hurley, the lawyer for 11 former scouts who accused disgraced scoutmaster Thomas Hacker of sexually abusing them — and sued the BSA for damages. Hurley said that if the scouting organization does seek Chapter 11 protection it won’t be the fault of the victims. “We know how much coverage they have and we know their insurers are refusing to pay,” he told NBC News. The insurance companies declined to comment on the ongoing legal battle. More details at source: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/boy-scouts-america-pushed-brink-bankruptcy-battles-insurers-n948181
  13. Going to look in my spare patch box this weekend. Hopefully I have one.
  14. PACAN

    Per WSJ -BSA may declare bankruptcy

    The reactions I have seen from some council executives are "don't worry...be happy". We are separate from National so this really problem doesn't affect us much so keep giving us money. Is this a bit naive? The Catholic Dioceses are analogous to Councils. They are the ones who victims are suing, not the Vatican (National).
  15. Eagle94-A1

    Adult Recongnition

    Unless it's a homemade one. One den made a plaque with the DL patch and their signatures burned into it. 110% AGREE! This has happened to me several times, and I am looking forward to attending one of my Eagle's wedding in March. Necker signed by the Scouts is AWESOME!. My most treasured gift is a photo album that was given to me when I left the troop I grew up in. A very close second was a copy of the 1979 edition BSHB that one of my Eagles gave me. He knew my original copy was no more and got me one, Another idea is a Norman Rockwell print. One of my Eagles got me "The Den Chief" since it is closest to our relationship. Some of the things I've seen include gift certificates to diners, coolers, coffee mugs, and a camp chair. Someone on Scouter.com received a Campaign hat from his den or pack.
  16. HashTagScouts

    Adult Recongnition

    A photo of the scouts (with holiday season, perhaps you have that opportunity that the pack or troop is gathered and can herd them together for a quick shot) and perhaps a card signed by as many of the youth as you can is a wonderful gift. Most leaders that I have seen step away cherish the memories they made, and probably have more gear than they care to admit they built up in their years in the program
  17. yknot

    Per WSJ -BSA may declare bankruptcy

    This has filled me with such a sense of sorrow. Scouts is such an iconic organization, but I do not feel that the organizational leadership has itself modeled the behaviors we try to instill in the boys and now girls at the unit level. I believe if the leadership had made decisions based more on how we expect our scouts to problem solve, prepare, plan ahead, and manage, this outcome would have been different.
  18. Jameson76

    Adult Recongnition

    We try to recognize key leaders each year as they are being active with the troop. For summer activities we have made mugs (large / regular / travel) and metal coozies over the years. In August we have an adult leaders "meeting" and review the summer. We have about 25 - 30 leaders there from various summer camps, HA, and support functions At Christmas we try to get a small gift for the SM / ASM's / Outdoor For others they sort of, to paraphrase Dugout Doug McArthur..."Old leaders never die, they simply fade away" (Note that he swiped that from and old English folk song) Now we did have a long-term SM step down, we had some items for him.
  19. qwazse

    Adult Recongnition

    No plaques please! The best gift is one you cannot give: A young man who returns from overseas and stops by and catches the scouter up on all he's been doing and his plans for the future, and then they can talk about a few shared memories. Had one of those last night. Short of that, a neckerchief signed by all of the scouts is a good start.
  20. scoutldr

    Adult Recongnition

    In my 30 years of unit scouting, I never received anything. I did receive the District Award of Merit, after I was the District Training Chair.
  21. Damon

    Adult Recongnition

    Lol. I got it. I’m partial to the Parole joke myself.
  22. RememberSchiff

    Adult Recongnition

    Sorry my reply was meant to be funny. Maybe @JoeBob is right about humor.
  23. Damon

    Adult Recongnition

    Sorry. Yes. Like AOL den leaders/committee members whos kids aged out.
  24. RememberSchiff

    Adult Recongnition

    Honorable discharge?
  25. Damon

    Adult Recongnition

    What do some of you do to recongnize leaders as they move on from your unit. Do you only do it for den leaders or cubmasters? Do you do something diffrent for Committee members? plaques? Gift cards? Hardy handshakes?
  26. Treflienne

    Linked or not linked?

    I'd love to have a thriving all girls troop. Several patrols. Scouts ranging from new cross-overs up to experience eagle scouts. Plenty of experience adults (SM/ASM/committee) able to provide the support the girls need to do what they want to do. But the reality is: We have no older experienced girls. (Girl eagle scouts don't even exist yet.) Of the three parents who have volunteered (without being pressed) to step up: None has been a SM, none has been an ASM, and none has been on a troop commitee. I went and did the online SM training and I went to IOLS. It's looking like I may be scoutmaster. If so, I will need all the help I can get. That sounds great. Except we are so inexperienced that "trying to fit the girls troop into the boys troop way of doing things" may actually in the near term work better than trying to figure it out on our own. The good side is that the several boys troops are encouraging the girls to visit all the troops, see what they like, and then collectively pick which troop to link with. So the girls may get to pick between several different boys-troops-ways-of-doing-things.
  27. qwazse

    Linked or not linked?

    I think a shared committee would only make sense if the TC of a boys' troop was "launching" the girls' troop. They would have already had a hand in picking the leaders, and the there would be extensive overlap. E.g., on paper, the SM for the boys was an ASM for the girls and the SM for the girls was an ASM for the boys. The success of such an endeavor would really depend on a unique set of personalities. If the girls' troop was looking to take up residence at one of four possible CO's, that sounds to me like separate committees are in order. In the girls' troop, at best only 1/4 of the parents might have worked with the linked troops' committee before. But the boys' troop might loose a few good MC's that way. Volunteers can only spread their time across so many meetings. When I ran my crew, we had separate committees with the smaller crew committee having about 20% overlap with the troop committee. The crew committee demanded far less time from members, so doing both wasn't much of an extension.
  28. dkurtenbach

    Linked or not linked?

    Unless you're looking for a close relationship with the boys troop -- some shared meeting time (openings and closings), joint campouts and activities, etc. -- I'd suggest avoiding a shared committee. A shared committee with the majority of the committee members from the boys troop is quite naturally going to be trying to fit the girls troop into the boys troop way of doing things. If you're looking more at being a "cousin" troop than a "sister" troop, find a boys troop where the adults will be happy to help you get on your feet, consult, train, share equipment, etc. At the same time, find a chartered organization that will support you in the way you'd like (it may or may not be the same CO as the friendly boys troop). But be a separate troop with your own committee. That will give you the freedom to shape the relationships you want.
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    • Hey all! This month I started service as our OA Chapter Secretary Adviser. Well, at our Roundtable last night the previous adviser to the secretary handed me a badge of office that says "Order of the Arrow Chapter Adviser" on it, and told me I could put it on my uniform. However - isn't this patch for THE Chapter Adviser? He told me all the advisers, for all the positions, wear them, but I am pretty sure only the adviser to the Chapter Chief is supposed to wear it. Am I right? Or just hopelessly confused? Any and all information is helpful. Thanks all! 
    • I concur with the previous comments. 1) Reflect on what might have triggered such a response. Over the phone and not in person?  Interesting....  2) Reflect on the Scout Promise and Law.  Those are  upon which   Scout Leaders should base their behavior . 3)  Speak (as recommended) in person with the Committee Chair and the Charter Organization Representative.  Your sponsoring Charter  Organization ( the church or school or club that sponsors your Cub Pack) is supposed to be represented by the COR to the Scout world.  Many CORs are merely "signers" on the paperwork, but you have a right to require their participation here.  The Committee Chair , with the Committee,  helps decide the activities of the Pack that  the Cubmaster leads.   The CCh needs to hear of this event post haste.  Next in the line of responsibility for the Cub Pack is the Institution Head, or as mentioned above, the Executive Officer. This might be the club president, or the church Head Pastor, or the Fire Department Chief, who ever heads the Charter Organization. They will want to hear of your travail.  4)  Bullying?   I would consider it so. Certainly not the action of a "reasonable" adult Scout Leader.  Reflect on how these folks act toward your Cubs. Is there another problem ? 5)  Go on line and find the District Leadership.  You may know your Unit Commissioner, or not, but you can find the name and contact your District Commissioner, who would be the next resource to contact about this event.   6) Keep notes.  Write down when and what was said by whom.  Such notes may come in handy later.   7)  Try to remember, "it's for the kids".  
    • Make sure that you get a copy of the newest Wolf Handbook and Den Leader Guide. When you come up with your den meeting plans, I would recommend that you start with the requirements that are listed in the handbook, then look in the Den Leader Guide for ideas / suggestions.  In many cases, you don't have to do all of the requirements (do X of Y of the following requirements), so this gives you some flexibility on how to best deliver the program to your Wolf Scouts. Talk to your pack leadership about rank advancement and when it traditionally happens for your pack.  You can use that date to backwards plan your meetings. Remember that you can assign requirements to be done at home or with the family.  Some den leaders assign the Duty to God adventures to be done at home.  The pamphlet How to Protect Your Children From Child Abuse: A Parent's Guide needs to be done at home. Communicate with the parents about what they need to do to help their Wolf Scout earn the rank or other adventures / awards.  Written communication is frequently better than verbal (because they have something to refer to). Whenever possible, keep it simple, make it fun!
    • That's awesome your taking this one.  Being a den leader is one of the best volunteer jobs ever. I'd go further than ask the pack committee for materials.  Your pack ought to have a membership co-ordinator.  This person should be driving a program of recruiting new members every year.  No worries if you pack doesn't have one - most don't.  However, if they don't, you ought to lean on the pack committee to help in recruiting for your den. Things I'd do: - publicize to the pack and any attached troops & crews that you're looking for members to grow the den.  Ask for their help in referring folks - get fliers out to the school classes that feed your pack - get the Cubmaster to get a recruiter program started amongst the boys.  Make a big deal when a scout recruits a friend - ask for help from pack families to send emails to neighborhood email lists - put up flyers in libraries, shopping centers, etc. - work with the pack committee to get a visit the pack day schedulded.  Put the word out that you want visitors. - reach out to your district membership chair.  See if they have any ideas on how more to recruit in your area. Best of luck!!!!
    • That's my plan Terasec. I'm hoping to talk to the pack leadership at our meeting on Monday to get some of the materials from them and see what I can do.
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