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  2. RichardB

    Med forms updated

    @RememberSchiff Nice summary.
  3. And here too: Maybe they need the "offishul" training:
  4. SSScout

    Committee voting

    Maybe they can start with the "offishul" training. Usually, it is the SM and ASMs that need to back off....
  5. le Voyageur

    Ozymandias

    I met a traveller from an antique land, Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand, Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown, And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command, Tell that its sculptor well those passions read Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things, The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed; And on the pedestal, these words appear: My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings; Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair! Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away. Percy Bysshe Shelly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdQKUvv3bew
  6. walk in the woods

    Buying knives online could make police suspect you...

    Indeed, this is the metaphorical frog in the pot of water, unable to determine the temperature is slowly rising.... The difference between cultures is interesting. I found this particular bit of the page you referenced disturbing: I bolded/italicized the bit at the end. I'm not a lawyer, but, if this is indeed the case, I believe we'd call that unconstitutionally vague over here. I mean if we're talking 4 years in prison and an unlimited fine, I'd want to have some protection against a judge having a bad day.
  7. elitts

    Committee voting

    I just wanted to be clear so that DuctTape wouldn't think I was offering to work towards the goal of "scouts doing it themselves" with his QM. I have enough on my plate, I don't want any more commitments.
  8. TAHAWK

    Committee voting

    "[M]y newest group of QMs: You are the troop Senior Patrol Leader? 😊
  9. elitts

    Committee voting

    Yes, I agree. I'm hoping that with my newest group of QMs, I can start working towards that process.
  10. DuctTape

    Committee voting

    As with all things in Scouting, we as adults can do the research, shopping, etc... much more efficiently than the scouts. I always try to see how anything we as adults do can be a learning and growth opportunity for scouts. If an adult is a "tent expert", great! How do we utilize tgat expertise to help the scouts become more skillful and knowledgeable moving forward. Ultimate goal being the scouts become the future experts. If a scout cannot "do" yet, the adults should not just do it for them by themselves, but instead involve at least some scouts in every stage of the process. Even if the first step is the scouts "watch & listen". For example if I am calling a campground to inquire for camping availability, I do it with the SPL and ASPL there to hear the conversation. As they progress, they make the call with me listening. If I am internet shopping around for new tents, scouts will be doing it with me. Everything we do is an opportunity for scouts. They may not be ready to do it all by themselves, but they never will get there unless we show them and let them try.
  11. elitts

    Committee voting

    I'm the Equipment Coordinator for my troop and I can tell you that we handle things in a variety of ways depending on the item. For most equipment, I wait for the SM to tell me there is a need, then I go find whatever the need is at the lowest possible price. If I happen to see something we could really use, but maybe don't absolutely need, I'll send a quick email to the SM, CC and Treasurer to see if anyone wants to veto and if not, I'll buy it. If I happen across a fantastic "till the end of the day" price, I'd probably just buy it on my own "authority" and hope no one pitches a fit. If there is a major purchase to be considered, it will get discussed at the committee meeting, but it's typically not a "What should we buy" discussion, it will be a discussion of "The EQ. Coord. is recommending we do X. How does everyone feel about that?". If I'm weighing a couple of options with pros and cons to be considered, I'll discuss that as well for input, but mostly, I just tell them why I've made the selection I have. The two most aggravating discussions we've had about gear/equipment over the last couple of years have been when "What kind of trailer do we need" and "What kind of tarps/canopies do we need" were brought up for discussion in committee. The trailer issue is going on it's second year of consideration at this point. I know that my primary qualifications for being the equipment buyer are the fact that I'm good at internet research, I have accounts on dozens of discussion forums and I get a positive joy out of finding the cheapest way to buy things. (this doesn't mean buying the cheapest thing) So if you can find that parent in your troop who is constantly talking about "buying the best value car/shoes/outerwear" and is always recommending sales and whatnot to people, I'd see if I could dragoon that person into the job. Tents are a tricky issue in general though. There are often serious considerations to be made regarding quality vs price. If I had unlimited funds, we'd be using entirely Timberline 4 Outfitters with the vestibules because they will last decades if properly maintained and I just like the quality and footprint. However, in my troop most of the people using the tents are the 10-12 year olds and "proper maintenance and care" is a tough battle to fight, not to mention the $300+ price tag on the outfitters. So what has tended to win the argument instead are the Taurus 4 from Alps Mountaineering because if you buy them on sale, you can get them for around $50-$75. And while I KNOW they won't last as long as the Timberlines, I only need them to last 4-6 years at that price to be the better value. I will say, I'd never go back to buying tents without a vestibule. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ @Hawkwin Check out Hikerdirect.com Basically you can buy anything that Alps Mountaineering, Browning, Cedar Ridge at 45% off or more.
  12. Eagledad

    Committee voting

    That is how it is typically done in functioning troops, but I remember when we started our troop, expert resources were thin. Starting with the procedure that you want to continue with the for years down the road is the right way to go. But, if you have a tent expert on the Committee, certainly consider all your resources while developing procedure for a scout run program. I hope I'm not saying something that breaks the Scoutmaster image, but I didn't know everything when I was scoutmaster. There, I said it. No earthquakes yet. Delegate and watch. Barry
  13. Hawkwin

    Committee voting

    Because we are all brand new and trying to figure this out on our own. Until the first response in this thread, I had not even considered that we could simply leave it up to the SM.
  14. RememberSchiff

    Some Volunteers say new background check too invasive

    Well said. Same here.
  15. Paperwork for rechartering needs to be filed in 12 hours, I still haven't signed. Nor do I plan to. I'm more than a little melancholy but since it will have been exactly 50 years next week since I first put on a boyscout uniform, I guess I shouldn't complain. Been a long fun filled trail. " The road goes ever on and on, out from the door where it began, but I at last with weary feet, turn toward the lighted inn. My evening rest and sleep to meet"
  16. Surprised nobody has posted this yet - from the meritbadge.info facebook page:
  17. That's nice dear . I wasn't trying to stop you carrying anything. Just correcting you all thinking we're banning pointy things. I'm sure you all think we're mad, subjugated, oppressed, or something, but it doesn't feel like that, though I don't suppose it would.
  18. RememberSchiff

    Buying knives online could make police suspect you...

    I have recently revisited this civics lesson during a town mandated residential water meter upgrade (inside house) and a state mandated property assessment. Lost one, won one.
  19. RememberSchiff

    Med forms updated

    More of the same except copies might use less toner? Changes: Less color ink (easier to copy) , and alert ! icons. "DOB" replaced with "Date of Birth" Part A: Added following permission : California's BB gun (device) law - Penal Code 19915. Every person who furnishes any BB device to any minor, without the express or implied permission of the parent or legal guardian of the minor, is guilty of a misdemeanor. (California Penal Code Section 19915[a]) My signature below on this form indicates my permission. I give permission for my child to use a BB device. (Note: Not all events will include BB devices.)  Checking this box indicates you DO NOT want your child to use a BB device. old two page part B is now Part B1 and Part B2 - same content except, as @mashmaster noted fields for epipen and rescue inhaler added. Part C: same content except added Skin Issues and dropped "For high-adventure participants, I have reviewed with them the important supplemental risk advisory provided."
  20. walk in the woods

    Buying knives online could make police suspect you...

    That's why the founders gave us the fourth amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Sadly most Americans are too stupid or too willing to be subjugated to the government "for safety" to appreciate the wisdom contained in those few words. Thank you very much but I'll carry whatever it pleases me to carry, in the manner of a free man.
  21. "It's the UK folks" - what's that shorthand for? Genuinely interested, not getting snarky. I mean, I'm assuming you mean "It's the UK folks, where all the civilised people stayed" but... A quick google suggests lots of people have suggested to the government that they discuss it, but I can't find anywhere where it's actually been discussed in parliament. I mean, as far as I can work out, not much useful has been discussed in parliament since the 2016 moment of madness (Br***t). Anyhoo, there's a government petition site and more or less anything that gets more than 100,000 votes will be discussed in some form in parliament. And discussion is one thing, being made UK law is quite another. And yes, if the police have reason to believe you want to use *anything* as an offensive weapon, you might have explaining to do. And yes, that includes your multitool. Basic laws on knives It’s illegal to: sell a knife to anyone under 18, unless it has a folding blade 3 inches long (7.62 cm) or less carry a knife in public without good reason, unless it has a folding blade with a cutting edge 3 inches long or less carry, buy or sell any type of banned knife use any knife in a threatening way (even a legal knife) Scotland In Scotland, 16 to 18 year olds are allowed to buy cutlery and kitchen knives. Lock knives Lock knives are not classed as folding knives and are illegal to carry in public without good reason. Lock knives: have blades that can be locked and refolded only by pressing a button can include multi-tool knives - tools that also contain other devices such as a screwdriver or can opener From: https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives
  22. mashmaster

    Med forms updated

    FYI, I saw they updated the med forms today. From what I see they look cleaner and highlight epi-pens and rescue inhailers. https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/HealthSafety/pdf/680-001_ABC.pdf https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/HealthSafety/pdf/680-001_AB.pdf
  23. Liz

    Have to find a new Pack... again. :(

    Well, we've visited both potential packs. Both my daughter and I really prefer the pack that is closer to our home. She feels much more comfortable there. The other pack, she didn't want to be there, she wanted to go home, and she didn't want to go back. Why? I'm not sure. I felt it wasn't as organized as I would have liked but I didn't have the visceral "I don't like it here" reaction that she did. But the one in our neighborhood seems like a super fun, super inviting sort of a group, with a decent amount of structure and discipline while still room for kids to be kids, as well as a great meeting space for kids to play indoor games in winter and next door to a large park for outdoor activities closer to summer. My daughter is sad about "splitting up" from the other kid her age from our old Pack, but we'll be getting together to work on the Moviemaking pin and I'm sure other things over the next year they have as Webelos; and they'd eventually have to go to different Troops anyway. I'm feeling a lot better just having the decision made. Now we just have to figure out how we handle her re-registration.
  24. T2Eagle

    Committee voting

    Pick a small number of people who either know or will learn quickly what will work best. If you really feel like the committee needs to vote make it an up or down vote on the proposed tents. After a lot of research and some missteps our troop has gone to ALPS Mountaineering 5 Person Outfitter tents. Three scouts and gear comfortably for weekends. One of the reasons we went with them was when were still researching and experimenting I had purchased a four man version, and after a wild thunderstorm mine was the only tent standing and dry . The less fortunates included a couple Timberline Outfitters. Hikerdirect.com (ALPS) sells to scouts at a deep discount.
  25. Eagle1993

    Has anyone had their uniform shirt tailored?

    I believe that @The Latin Scot has had his uniform custom tailored and has mentioned that it turned out well. He may provide additional details. Uniform shirts seem to last a long time, so I say go for it.
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