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I just have to pause and reflect over discussions of camping gear. My camping/scouting experience goes back to 1967 or so. And with 3 Eagle sons, and hundreds of campouts, as a scout, local council summer staff member, 4 years as a Philmont Ranger, and all of the campouts with my sons, less maybe 3, I own a small room in the basement FILLED with gear, some successful, some worthless, some purchased and yet unused because adding a few bucks to the order got me free shipping. And, I have been through countless discussions with other scouters, and tested, tried equipment. I own and ha
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NO. WRONG. Totally wrong. Violates YPT and a parent's common sense. No one gets between me and my child. This is a "go-to-the-mat, or move on issue." In over 20 years of intense volunteering at pack, troop, district and council, never, ever heard of such a position/policy. Send a written notice/demand for intervention to the Council Exec., certified mail, return receipt requested. (And by regular mail also.) Keep copies/postal receipts for your file. Carbon copy your Institutional Head, and Chartered Organization Representative. All the parents for that matter. And car
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Tents for Scouts BSA and beyond
curious_scouter replied to Armymutt's topic in Camping & High Adventure
Coleman 6 person domes are $85 right now on Amazon. They are tanks in my experience. But... when the waterproofing fails, it does so in spectacular fashion. Our Scouts like buying their own tents, so we have allowed "at your risk" use of personal tents. It's been pretty cool. Scouts love it. They get to see a wide variety of tents and styles. Takes some cost pressure off the troop as our inventory is for "fallout" cases and new scouts who haven't invested yet. But at $85 on sale... coleman 6 man domes are unbeatable IMO. They can withstand a literal flood and the rigors of r -
our troop is only 20 years old. I tasked our historian with this and was surprised that one phone call to council got him a list of the SMs from the past 20 years. So... our council had that much. Beyond that you will probably be challenged because people disperse to the wind. Our first two SMs are sadly no longer with us. Would definitely call council, they should have some amount of history for you.
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If you have a good relationship with the SM - just ask them why. It's not technically a YPT violation as long as 2up and no 1:1 but it's a bad look and officially all aspects are open to observation so if a parent pressed the issue they'd have to relent anyway. I suspect they are having issues with parents who can't let the Scouts do their thing and rather than single someone out or maybe out of general frustration they went "scorched earth" on who can be in the building during meetings.
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Come recharter, there will be on 2 packs and 1 troop left in our rural county. 1 pack has 8, the other 51.
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dk516 started following 2023 Recruiting Update
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@Jameson76 we actually had this discussion in our district. Your numbers are actually great! Experience in our council has shown that with all attrition on the Cubs level, you want at least 2 full Packs for every Troop in existence in order to cross over enough Cubs into Scouts BSA. Our district/council has seen a steady decline in Troops because they cannot get enough Cubs to cross over and retain to keep the units running. Our current split in my district is almost 50/50 and we feel it every year. This combined with slow recruiting has not been very successful.
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BQZip replied to UKScouterInCA's topic in Camping & High Adventure
Thread revival I'm not seeing too much different with the new medal vs the old, but it IS now available. National, if you're reading this, changes like these without explanation are what lead to confusion and speculation. Please be up-front about what you're doing and it will reduce this.- 29 replies
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Chapter 11 announced - Part 14 - Plan Effective
yknot replied to MYCVAStory's topic in Issues & Politics
Arguing on the numbers it seems far worse. The next most egregious offender, the US Catholic Church, has had about 10,000 claims. -
Chapter 11 announced - Part 14 - Plan Effective
Eagle1970 replied to MYCVAStory's topic in Issues & Politics
My abuse was also perpetrated by a BSA EMPLOYEE. It doesn't lessen anything suffered by a scout abused by another boy. But it DOES directly implicate BSA, with no way to mitigate responsibility. Because of what I personally experienced, I hoped BSA would cease to function. I stopped the cycle with my generation, as I refused to allow my children to participate. The outcome that allows BSA to continue following BK is a big win for supporters of the organization. And any talk of this token settlement for victims being a bad outcome for BSA is extremely insensitive and very uninformed. -
Thank you, Malraux. Interesting, because those numbers include rolling vs. old prorated new fall recruitment numbers that will remain valid even if they have dropped out before the end of the year. If you think of it, would love to see this chart again in January or February to see where everything lands.
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Chapter 11 announced - Part 14 - Plan Effective
Eagle94-A1 replied to MYCVAStory's topic in Issues & Politics
One SE told us how to manipulate the nominating process to get the folks who are "friendly" to council on committees and boards. So I wouldn't be suprised. That happened in my council. Local camp was sold. They said the reason was that it was costing almost $70/ camper to maintain. When volunteers looked at the raw data, they noticed the data was manipulated to show a loss. They included capital expenses, and forgot to note the camp was closed for 7 months as a result. taking out the capital expense made it $11/ Camper. But it would have been less because of the 7 months of weekend c -
Chapter 11 announced - Part 14 - Plan Effective
fred8033 replied to MYCVAStory's topic in Issues & Politics
82,000 is a paperwork number and still an unproven number. That is the number of claims submitted, but was a surprise number by everyone from all sides. We will never really know the real number Since 1960s, BSA has had tens of millions of youth members. I would not be surprised if 100 million plus. So, is it a high level or not. And then compare it to number of youth benefiting from scouting. If we argue on emotions, any single injury is bad. Period. If we argue on numbers, then there is a real question if BSA better or worse than other organizations. -
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skeptic replied to MYCVAStory's topic in Issues & Politics
In our area we are now trying to rally a new direction, but we are being shut down by a very unprofessional and in most of our views unqualified SE. Trouble is that we are having issues with finding anyone to whom we can go above council. We are trying to get a real gathering of COR's who CAN fire the man, but finding the contacts is difficult when the office claims they cannot share that info. Our current elect president seems to either not understand very well, or he is just a puppet, or it continues to seem. Meanwhile, our local concerned Scouters are trying to form our own program coop -
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MYCVAStory replied to MYCVAStory's topic in Issues & Politics
Agree 100%. My comment was in response to someone stating that the reorg will hurt kids' opportunities. At the end of the day that's 100% in the hands of the entity that voluntarily entered bankruptcy and those who joined in because it was in their interest to do so, the National and Local organizations. Time will tell! -
Finally found some details on my council, not able to find past years, but I know that overall, the council has less youth than in past years. Most surprising, and possibly troubling item is that Cubs are now over 2/3 of the membership. Maybe that will mean future growth. Another possibility is that this is where professionals and council board membership team feel the easy pickings are, so that is where the efforts are. Less risk and more oversight in Cubs, so the safety folks are happy. Other interesting nuggets: Equivalent of 15.5 adult volunteers per unit, which seems high.
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Very true. The loophole is if we don't let anyone do anything, then we can say no to everyone, including scouting.
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malraux started following 2023 Recruiting Update
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Sorry, I don't check this forum as often. There are some wild variations in numbers between councils, with some being up 30% and others down similarly. Not sure if the official numbers will hit 1mil by year end.
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Chapter 11 announced - Part 14 - Plan Effective
RememberSchiff replied to MYCVAStory's topic in Issues & Politics
Our previous CEO Roger Mosby claimed membership would double. I am unable to verify that the new BSA CEO, Roger Krone also stated this. Mr. Krone did say that he planned to "reverse the trend of declining membership". What that plan will be remains to be seen. Reorganization? At the National level, that remains to be seen too. Will Mr. Krone shake-up the National Executive Council? There has been a downsizing of the Executive Board from 72 or 73 members to 48 (still too large) but not many new young faces. Some staff layoffs. Bylaws and org chart are more convoluted than ever (recall Jud -
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MYCVAStory replied to MYCVAStory's topic in Issues & Politics
SO....Judge Silverstein has ruled on the Coalition's Substantial Contribution Payment and has decided they get....NOTHING. That's right, they requested the BSA pay what, $20 million for the lawyers and professionals to represent it when it tried to strong-arm a settlement that the Survivors voted down!? The opinion is below and it's a doozy. Basically, "you were representing a constituency that the TCC already represented.", "You took credit for everything and that was objected to.", "You told the Court when you wanted to become a mediation party that the State Court Counsels who made up th -
Chapter 11 announced - Part 14 - Plan Effective
MYCVAStory replied to MYCVAStory's topic in Issues & Politics
I found the materials on line that listed the individual cases and included the documents and I did read a fair number to get an idea of how serious the suit was and yes, it was serious but none of the cases I saw included any professionals as abusers (I certainly expect there were some, just not the ones I read) but mainly volunteer adults and in some cases adults that were not even registered but affiliated through the chartered partner or as a relative of a youth member. I would change my mind if you can direct me to the documentation that shows that BSA employees were the abusers in signif -
How do you / When would you close a Troop?
Eagle69 replied to WisconsinMomma's topic in Open Discussion - Program
I shut down a Troop 17 years ago that had been Chartered for 43 years and the Council never said a word or did anything until 6 months later when someone called me to inquire about something, nobody even missed us not Rechartering. I held onto everything for two years when I went to a new Troop as an ASM and brought 3 of my Committee people along on paper so we would have the base of adults to recharter if the opportunity came. After two years the Preacher at our former Charter Partner said we want the space where the troop gear is so you have to get rid of it. I kept a few pieces for mysel -
All of the schools around us are very familiar with this law, They adopted the policy to not let anyone in.
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An SE goes through his contacts pretty fast... It's the board that needs direction and ought to be opening doors to donors. I've seen new SE's move mountains, again, if they have the tools, skill and motivation... also, there is a lot more to the SE position which includes directing membership programs and overseeing a dynamic program calendar. New Blood, New Ideas, a new set of eyes on the operation. Having said that, a really solid, productive DE, SE or other staff member is worth whatever it takes to keep them. In the 80's I knew a Scout Exec that bragged he was paying a DE over $40 (at tha
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By SiouxRanger · Posted
I just have to pause and reflect over discussions of camping gear. My camping/scouting experience goes back to 1967 or so. And with 3 Eagle sons, and hundreds of campouts, as a scout, local council summer staff member, 4 years as a Philmont Ranger, and all of the campouts with my sons, less maybe 3, I own a small room in the basement FILLED with gear, some successful, some worthless, some purchased and yet unused because adding a few bucks to the order got me free shipping. And, I have been through countless discussions with other scouters, and tested, tried equipment. I own and have read all of Colin Fetcher's 4 books on camping and camping equipment. And, I have a few pointers. Every item you choose needs to serve as many uses as possible. And you have to think deeply on this. It is not obvious or easy. We all use plates. But a bowl can also hold food we'd normally expect to see served on a plate. But a bowl can also hold stew, soup, cobbler...hot chocolate... So a BOWL is more versatile than a plate. So, get a bowl-you don't need a plate. And a bowl with a handle, when your fingers are cold? Wearing heavy gloves? Get a bowl with a handle-easier to hold with gloves. My titanium bowl with handle-are you kidding me? I don't have one. I take a 99 cent plastic handled bowl I bought at a hardware store. Understand your need. Rain gear. After all my time, I just don't have a good plan. I have various rain coats. Currently REi coats, but an ideal rain coat should cover to mid thigh. So you can sit down on a log in a torrent, and have your Gluteus Maximus covered. Even better would be a raincoat that allowed you to cover your knees to mid calf when sitting. And I know of NO company which makes such a garment. Sleeping Bags. I have owned 8 or so sleeping bags over 60 years. Read many articles on how synthetic sleeping bag fills are "better" than down-filled bags. Bought synthetic filled bags, but after disappointing results bought two down-filled bags. So, I've owned both. Down-filled wins hands-down. They are not cheap. 900 fill bags are great. Will never buy another synthetic filled bag. Tents. This is a bit complicated. Some troops want to have identical tents for the entire troop to appear consistent. Like all wearing a consistent uniform. I understand that. My son's troop has declined to spend to buy troop tents because the tents don't hold up (zippers and waterproofing), so scouts bring their personal tents, and that seems to work out OK. So, mention of Big Agnes tents. I have owned more than my share of tents. Mostly Kelty, then a NorthFace Canyonlands, which I loved, (until...) and finally a Big Agnes Copper Spur 1L (I think.) And, I have no idea who Big Agnes is, nor much about the company, but I spent a great deal of treasure on a one-person tent for my last trek to Philmont. Sight unseen-bought off the web at a good discount. Best tent I have ever owned. Precisely built. Precise. Did I mention "Precisely crafted?" PERFECT. Multitools/knives. Number one tool in the wilderness is a scissors. Really? Yeah. Pliers is #2. Stoves need repair. Pliers to do that. Leatherman has two small multi-tools that fill the bill. I carry both. Fire starting. Ferro rods and a serious sense of just what natural plants are flammable-critical. Research Mora Knives and Opinel Knives. And I will post no more on this topic. -
By SiouxRanger · Posted
NO. WRONG. Totally wrong. Violates YPT and a parent's common sense. No one gets between me and my child. This is a "go-to-the-mat, or move on issue." In over 20 years of intense volunteering at pack, troop, district and council, never, ever heard of such a position/policy. Send a written notice/demand for intervention to the Council Exec., certified mail, return receipt requested. (And by regular mail also.) Keep copies/postal receipts for your file. Carbon copy your Institutional Head, and Chartered Organization Representative. All the parents for that matter. And carbon copy to your attorney-note in your letter/notice/demand for intervention that the IH, COR, troop parents, and your attorney are receiving copies. Do this even if you leave the Troop. It is an ethical responsibility not to leave other children exposed to this SM. Don't have an attorney, find a Scouting Friendly attorney who will agree to being a named as a carbon copy recipient. There are likely many such attorneys, attorneys being high achievers, many are Eagles. PM me if you can' find one. Maybe advise the SM that you are going to send such a notice. Hand a copy to the SM. Smile. If he changes the policy, he needs to do so in writing, signed by him. If not, send the notice/demand for clarification anyway. Then you will be on the record as having identified his abhorrent policy. And a potential abuser or abuser in the making. Hasn't 120 years of silence taught us anything? Aggressive? Well, yes. Aggressive response needed? Yes. Abusers favor shadows. Remoteness. Out of sight. And silence. And complacent parents who ASSUME that scout leaders are "good people." And mostly they are. But this SM needs to be replaced. -
By curious_scouter · Posted
Coleman 6 person domes are $85 right now on Amazon. They are tanks in my experience. But... when the waterproofing fails, it does so in spectacular fashion. Our Scouts like buying their own tents, so we have allowed "at your risk" use of personal tents. It's been pretty cool. Scouts love it. They get to see a wide variety of tents and styles. Takes some cost pressure off the troop as our inventory is for "fallout" cases and new scouts who haven't invested yet. But at $85 on sale... coleman 6 man domes are unbeatable IMO. They can withstand a literal flood and the rigors of regular Scout use. They are tall enough for a Scout to stand in to change and comfortably fit 3 Scouts. I've seen 6 go in one for the night (no gear) so ... it is possible They are easily serviced - you can get parts and shock cord easily and cheaply. It's a pain but thrifty. The only thing we don't bother with is serious waterproof failures. We just keep the poles and stakes and retire the tent. We'll often cut the bottom out for footprints. The leftover poles, shock cord, etc. have given us enough spare parts we never buy anything. -
By curious_scouter · Posted
our troop is only 20 years old. I tasked our historian with this and was surprised that one phone call to council got him a list of the SMs from the past 20 years. So... our council had that much. Beyond that you will probably be challenged because people disperse to the wind. Our first two SMs are sadly no longer with us. Would definitely call council, they should have some amount of history for you. -
By curious_scouter · Posted
If you have a good relationship with the SM - just ask them why. It's not technically a YPT violation as long as 2up and no 1:1 but it's a bad look and officially all aspects are open to observation so if a parent pressed the issue they'd have to relent anyway. I suspect they are having issues with parents who can't let the Scouts do their thing and rather than single someone out or maybe out of general frustration they went "scorched earth" on who can be in the building during meetings.
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