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  2. Depending on how far back they need to go, many recharters were still hand done. That means hand written materials on carboned forms, at one time. Reading some of our units very early charter lists is a study in patience and lots of guessing. Printed rosters only were common going back about 25 years or less.
  3. The local councils and the national council have rosters of their members that are maintained. That said, some records can be lost and a few councils have experienced fires. Our council pays for professional storage and has for many years. Membership fees, until very recently, all went to national so national has 'complete' rosters. Youth can come to a few meetings without joining but being sure that everyone is covered by insurance compels units to require official membership. Once again, in our council there are a substantial percentage where there is no record locally or nationally of
  4. What I found very interesting was the following point. BSA councils are saying that they cannot even find the vast majority of claimants on their rosters. They are also saying they have so many rosters from that time period they cannot possibly scan them all in. Century is preparing some big hits during plan confirmation
  5. "If the troops have lost that number of rosters it does not look good. " Not sure why that looks bad. Many troops do not keep historical records, or they purge files over time; if nothing else for space and so on. Now, unit charters that are part of annual recharter, the copies at the Council offices, I do not know if there is a legal time they need to be kept. Most types of files are no more than 7 years I have been led to believe. So, not having them would not be odd. Considering how many emails appeared in my spam box soon after the advertising began, and also the ads coming
  6. I had forwarded this recent item to our local church, who just a few weeks ago told us we are theirs as far as they are concerned, but maybe under the lease option. Now she tells us that should they not arrive at a satifactory agreement, they are being told that too is out the door. A century of service with our church; it is simply maddening. The church loves us, but they cannot put themselves in a position of legal danger, especially as they too, as the oldest protestant church in our city, are struggling. The really sad thing of course is that the mainline churches are at the forefront
  7. 5% seems extremely low. That would mean only about 4,250 were actually scouts. Wonder how they came to that number? If the troops have lost that number of rosters it does not look good.
  8. Interesting look back... https://legalnewsline.com/stories/574366277-hearing-tomorrow-about-possibly-fraudulent-sexual-abuse-claims-against-boy-scouts
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  10. A more accurate understanding helps everyone. I'm not sure why it's taken so long to get to the point where this is being looked at but I'm glad it is.
  11. Gotcha. It makes sense that the Methodist Men would remain hopeful that something might still be worked out.
  12. Not to be mean or uncaring, but this is something with which adults simply found a way to deal with it, often with others in the group. But, taking it to extremes and thinking somehow a local, adult confrontation should be handled beyond the immediate unit is extreme, as I see it. Certainly the idea that somehow the National President somehow should be involved is surely not a real expectation, and really maybe not even the local head council executive. Guess I am viewing things from my age perspective. Today, for some reason, many people think they need to find a solution beyond the
  13. That she did not include the part where they note that it is still in negotiation and that the No vote recommendation would, and could change if the ongoing discussions reach an agreement. That is sort of important. I have seen other articles from her that also leave bits and pieces out in realtion to the Church ongoing issues, such as the LBQT disruptions.
  14. Lately the continuum of behavior is far too often lumped together and called bullying. Not every interaction is bullying; I see parts of the continuum this way: rude-mean-bullying-harrassment-assault-battery How to deal with the situation depends on where on the continuum the situation lies. Bullying (IMO) is at the cusp of a criminal act. Bullying gone to far can be harassment which in my non-legal-training understanding is a crime in almost every state. Certainly if violence occurs, the situation has clearly crossed into the criminal. Earlier it was mentioned to call the police i
  15. It's always good to have more information but it seems like the article that was posted is actualy far more indepth and complete than the press release on the MM site. What was your point of contention?
  16. It might be good to have a complete look at what is shared by the Church on the Methodist Mens' Site, who are responsible for the Scouts. The above is an incomplete and misleading piece, and it does not lend itself to the larger picture. Here is the link to the actual Methodist site, including the announcement. Note the additional comments regarding "ongoing negotiations", as that changes the the picture dramatically. Still a mess, but posting incomplete info is not helpful. https://www.umc.org/en/content/congregations-encouraged-to-vote-no-on-bsa-bankruptcy-plan
  17. Judge ruling on various discovery .... believes that it should proceed including information into the $3500 and how the claims were vetted. Most of the requests do not implicate privilege info, or they may, but discovery could be not privilege . In general, how the claims were obtained/vetted are likely not protected by privilege. She is opening up advertising, intake, proof of claim, how it was done ... pretty much everything.
  18. Other councils similar ... 3% confirmed for one. Century going through a few councils. Basically, they are finding a very small number of abuse claimants are showing up on rosters. In addition, nearly no incident reports confirming the abuse.
  19. I'm skeptical the number could be that low. Everybody knows there will be a number of false claims in these types of suits, but there have been a lot of them over the years and folks have a decent handle as to how many falsities to expect. It would be really strange to have this particular case inspire such an outsize level of fraud and deceit.
  20. No, it was addressed. I said you can have her removed from the pack. I had a bully in my troop and I had him removed. I told him he was no longer welcome and if he showed up I would call the police. He left our troop, joined another and the exact same thing happened there. The council eventually set his son up as a lone scouter. I think your challenge is that you don't know how or don't want to confront a bully. It is not easy and it takes all the fun out of scouting. I can't blame you for not wanting to deal with it. Unfortunately, nobody else is interested in leading that so it typicall
  21. Century is stating they are going to push back that the vast majority of claims are false and were not vetted. Century is making the statement ... BAC is saying they have a TON of data on rosters and are certifying that only 5% of claimants were really scouts.
  22. Well ... were these ever vetted? Councils have released rosters and many are showing most claimants were never scouts. There are reasons for this (records destroyed, etc.). Century is indicating there are ways to address this but councils are not supporting that (per Century). Basically, Century is claiming the BSA is paying as if most of the claims are false. However, the insurance companies as part of distribution will be paying as if the claims are all true. So, they are asking what the BSA did to vet any of these claims as clearly they think most are not valid (based on their o
  23. I'm not sure this is true, but Kosnoff is stating (via Twitter) that the Coalition has votes they are not releasing as they are not good news. So they continue to fight to get voters to switch. I think it probably is underreported as the master spreadsheet ones are being held back. Now, if the votes were good news, I don't think BSA would be pushing (as is the Coalition) to push out the deadline. I also found it interesting that the TCC was actually somewhat against pushing out the deadline. So there could be some truth in Kosnoff's tweet.
  24. ?? Wouldn't that have been part of the vetting process? Also, I seem to recall something about [some group--possibly lawyers?] wanting the BSA to release its current & historic rosters.
  25. I would have thought half of them would be in by now. Any idea if this really is all or does it not include the master/spreadsheet/ whatever it's called votes?
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    • Depending on how far back they need to go, many recharters were still hand done.  That means hand written materials on carboned forms, at one time.  Reading some of our units very early charter lists is a study in patience and lots of guessing.  Printed rosters only were common going back about 25 years or less.    
    • The local councils and the national council have rosters of their members that are maintained.  That said, some records can be lost and a few councils have experienced fires.  Our council pays for professional storage and has for many years.  Membership fees, until very recently, all went to national so national has 'complete' rosters.  Youth can come to a few meetings without joining but being sure that everyone is covered by insurance compels units to require official membership.  Once again, in our council there are a substantial percentage where there is no record locally or nationally of membership and the claim does not list a unit ever known to have existed or accuses volunteers that likewise have no record of ever being in Scouting.  No doubt, a fraction of such claims may be legitimate, but one has to doubt that that a large fraction would be when the claim has little or no evidence that can be substantiated.   My estimation from our council would be 25% to 33% (and maybe as high as 50%) but no where close to 95% as stated.  This is just my estimation.   Seems to me that now is not the time to investigate the likely validity of the claims.  That should have been done nearly a year ago when there were allegations of poor vetting.  Everyone has proceeded based on the current number of claims.  
    • What I found very interesting was the following point.  BSA councils are saying that they cannot even find the vast majority of claimants on their rosters.  They are also saying they have so many rosters from that time period they cannot possibly scan them all in.     Century is preparing some big hits during plan confirmation 
    • "If the troops have lost that number of rosters it does not look good. " Not sure why that looks bad.  Many troops do not keep historical records, or they purge files over time; if nothing else for space and so on.  Now, unit charters that are part of annual recharter, the copies at the Council offices, I do not know if there is a legal time they need to be kept.  Most types of files are no more than 7 years I have been led to believe.  So, not having them would not be odd.   Considering how many emails appeared in my spam box soon after the advertising began, and also the ads coming on FB and other sites where my Scouting involvement was noted, it is obvious that the accumulators were seriously beating the bushes.  Even recently I got another ad in my spam list.  
    • I had forwarded this recent item to our local church, who just a few weeks ago told us we are theirs as far as they are concerned, but maybe under the lease option.  Now she tells us that should they not arrive at a satifactory agreement, they are being told that too is out the door.  A century of service with our church; it is simply maddening.  The church loves us, but they cannot put themselves in a position of legal danger, especially as they too, as the oldest protestant church in our city, are struggling.  The really sad thing of course is that the mainline churches are at the forefront of working with transients and the less fortunate.  Our facility leases to a half dozen or more groups that serve the community social issues.  In the next few days, or youth from all three very tiny groups will be helping make cards for seniors, and collecting food for local pantries.  
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