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    Perhaps your Council charges an extra $1 for insurance similar to ours (Great Lakes Field Service Council).
  3. I never saw the OA Brotherhood stipend promised me either. Actually the Senate Appropriations Committee (Mrs Turtle) told me that if I cut back as leader I could easily save about $500 a year which might be better put toward the occasional date night.
  4. Actually Flagg has another point (I am tiring of agreeing with him). The adult leadership in our Troop is doing so many things now that just the proposal of doing anything much extra or different elicited responses of 'I'm not doing anything different', 'I'm not doing any special training', 'If it takes anymore leaders someone else can do it', and 'One more thing I am out of here'. Some may just go into scouting semi-retirement, ya know showing up for the occasional meeting, maybe showing some lashes, but not really helping guide the youth who lead it. We still have a mess at our CO a Methodist Church. It is not on our Pastor's radar, he will likely let the unit do whatever it wants. But the most pushback we got was from the ladies of the United Methodist Women (who include more than a couple former Girl Scout leaders), the UMW were always big supporters of our Scouts, they would kick in regular $500 and $1500 gifts to the Troop just because they felt we were setting such a good example.(oddly, enough the Methodist Men always disliked us, complained about something we did after every meeting--there was no placating them. They dwindled to nothing and oddly enough when the folded the church gave us the $500 left in their bank account) Now the UMW is questioning why the church will be hosting a co-ed unit if it could now be supported in a public school. It is just a headache!
  5. I got a $75,000 one year contract with a $50,000 bonus per unit I act as unit lead for. That's $175,000/year plus benefits. Not bad in the end.
  6. I am REALLY outraged that while adding girls to my Troop will be an increase of genders by 100%, the 2018-2019 contract for ASM's only has a 50% pay bump.
  7. Philmont 2019

    That's near the end of July, right. If the monsoons are done by then it can get hot depending on where you are. Be prepared for that. You will know better the closer you get. The bears down here are cuter and more cuddly than the ones in your neck of the woods.
  8. Sexism of ANY kind is an issue. Many men here experienced this firsthand trying to volunteer as leaders in GSUSA, only to be treated as if we were convicted pedophiles because of our sex. We've also seen our fellow males treating female leaders as second class leaders and stepping in to call the men out on their actions, so no need to pontificate here. I disagree though about the "He-man Woman Haters" (that's for you @Stosh and @TAHAWK) being the ones who will have problems in this new coed environment. Those guys are entrenched in BSA and won't budge. The know so much and are usually the heavy lifters that if you got rid of them your district or council would grind to a halt. The real losers in this will be the girls. Why? Because the whole program for girls is being thrown together by a group of know-nothings. If units are "separate but equal" (meaning: boys in one troop, girls in another) you will need to replicate the entire boy-led, patrol method troop structure TWICE. That means TWICE the leaders or TWICE the work for the same leaders. Either way you have a big problem. Most current leaders are well beyond being tapped out and over-extended. I will be most of us here wear or wore about 5-10 different hats, be they at the unit, district or council level. I'd wager my 2018 pay checks that less than 5% will sign up for that extra, girls-only work. That means you have FIND and TRAIN a whole bunch of new leaders to run those all-girl units. If you've ever tried to recruit Cub or Boy Scout adult leaders you know exactly how hard that will be. I think the exacerbation you hear is from the collective (and considerable) experience in this forum knowing that BSA usually missed the mark BIG TIME when major change is involved. We are gearing up for that giant dung ball that will start rolling down hill in 2018...knowing it will land on our door step.
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  10. Who moderates the moderators

    I'd guess the answer might be whoever it is that actually owns this board. Who is that anyway?
  11. Scouter Magazine

    to the original post.... way too funny. I had the EXACT same thoughts about both mags this month when I looked through them the other night....
  12. Yet, if one were to look beyond the political myopism of the situation one would see the real problems. Sure heavy-set women can't backpack well and so can't heavy-set men. I haven't place a high premium on Eagle for many years regardless of who "earns" them. Divorced mothers are looking for good role models for their boys and helicopter mom's are only interested in getting their sons to win the bling. And yes, there are other, more important factors, than these to be upset about other than sexism. Yes, ingrained social norms have been around since day one and other societies are worse than the next one. And yes, there are going to be problems. But the problems I see have nothing to do with sexism. Having worked with co-ed groups, I see the world far differently and I have experienced DIFFERENT problems than what BSA is working on at the moment. They are seeing the tip of the iceberg and are desperately trying to avoid a Titanic moment. Well it's too late to avoid the problems because the ship's already floundering. So now the focus is in how to save as many as possible. As just one small example of what I mean. Last Sunday at the scout meeting I was teaching the boys lashings. One of the parents asked if a younger female sibling could sit in for the evening. I said sure. What I feared happened. She was 9 years old and interested in scouting. She sat quietly in the back and said nothing while the boys were being boys. I explained the lashing and then the boys were to work at doing it. I had enough equipment and invited the girl to participate. Well, the only one that was paying attention was the girl. It didn't take but a few minutes and she was teaching the boys who hadn't paid attention. This is great for a co-ed group, but a disaster for an all-male activity. I was unable to attend summer camp this past summer and at the last minute a second ASM stepped in to take my place. At the last minute she had to bring along her grandaughter and the camp allowed it. The #1 complaint from the boys was she "took over". The maturity level of girls at this age has been proven over and over in multiple studies that they are at least 2 years more mature than boys of the same age. This will in fact provide the total disappearance of Boy Scouts as we know it. I have know this for years and it's not that I'm against co-ed scouting, I'm against the last vestige of a program designed to help young men to adulthood without the unfair advantage in maturity girls hold over boys. I strongly suspect that once that advantage is mitigated in adulthood many of the resentments of younger years may be a cause of many of our sexist social concerns. I don't know if that has anything to do with it, but after 45+ years of watching kids develop, it remains a strong suspicion for me. Will gals earn the rank of Eagle legitimately? Sure, but then listen to the older generations cast aspersions on it, especially those who never were able to earn it themselves. This is unfortunate, but it's going to happen, it is already happening. The reason I downplay the glorious achievement of Eagle is not because it some sort of competition one wins, but it is supposed to be something nice to hang on the wall along with one's high school diploma, and other achievements one has marked in life. It's not the Holy Grail of scouting. Boys that have come through my program and Eagled for some reason have always referred to me as Mr. Stosh. Even if they turn 18 and are now in their 30's still call me Mr. Stosh. I even have told them they can call me now that we are peers by my first name. Inevitably they always say, "No can do, you will always be Mr. Stosh to me." Now, if that were able to be put on a certificate, I would hang that one on my wall. All in all, the sad part of it all is the end of Scouting as I have lived it for my entire life. The next generation will not feel that way, but then again, I'm not going to be around to worry about it either.
  13. I’d argue the value of the Eagle rank has been right or wrong perceived as having gotten easier over time. I always hear how much harder it was in the past. Adding girls to the process won’t chnage that mindset just as churning out decent and strong eagles in 2017 doesn’t change the perception of a 1966 Eagle thinking we had it easier. It’s that perception that needs changing but I don’t see any movement to do that.
  14. This issue has been hashed out here long before you joined the forum. I think even the liberal members (and moderators) on this forum would agree the discussion has pretty much moved past sexist dialog. I believe rose colored glasses are the cause of the responses lately. Barry
  15. You're not a chauvinist. It's the comments along the lines of -- look at all the fat moms who can't go on hikes, and if a girl gets an Eagle, then the boys' Eagles are worthless, and negative comments about divorced mothers that are signals of attitude problems. People can be legitimately upset at national for changing the program without being sexist. But there are many men who look down on women and girls overall and that's a problem. They're going to have problems.
  16. I agree with what most said, however I think marketing it to the girls that they can become Eagle Scouts is something they rightfully should promote. The gold award doesn't have that universal recognition that comes along with being an eagle. They will inherently be forced to see what the whole program entails as they climb through the ranks. Hopefully they don't bend the rules to get these first female eagles pumped out, but placing the mindset into young girls' heads that they can finally become an eagle scout will be more effective for recruiting than just telling them that boy scouts is letting in girls and get them more interested in the program as a whole.
  17. I haven't been to our council's camp in a couple years now, but the way it was..... there's a small shelter at each site, just barely big enough for one picnic table under a roof. There's an outlet there. Not uncommon to see extension cords spread from there to nearby tents. As I understand it, they have remodeled so that every site has a screened in shelter, with some sort of bunk house in the back for Scouters...basically a room big enough for a few bunks. I would assume there's power. No such thing at the last place I went to summer camp. One of our ASM's brings a marine battery for his cpap. I always thought that if I were him I'd rig up a small dolly for the battery, complete with charger. That way he could wheel the thing up to the dining hall or wherever mid week to recharge if need be
  18. Yes, that is exactly the sort of pushback I was talking about. Good example.
  19. I don't think the fact that I was not turned upside down in 1966 had anything to do with political correctness. I just think this "tradition" never reached my area. The pack leadership probably didn't even know about it. I can't explain it. It is a tradition that existed before I became involved with the troop. Nobody has ever talked about it, the SM's have just done it at every non-Eagle COH. It makes no sense to me, but then again holding a Cub Scout upside down makes no sense to me either. But I don't worry about it (the pinning upside down) because it doesn't hurt anyone, unless you count the very occasional pinning mishap, or the awkwardness and embarrassment of some Scouts in pinning something to their mother's upper-body clothing, especially if she is not wearing one of those ribbons they make for the mother's pins.
  20. NYLT strip?

    This would not work in my troop. We do a good troop leader training that fills the first training course role. Next is nylt at 13. It is more conflict resolution than leadership training. Nayle was more voa level imho. It doesn’t sound like nylt is the same in all areas. A good spl should be able to get a great deal out of nylt. Our tlt was awesome for pl training. But I guess some troops may not have that program.
  21. You're being satirical there, right?
  22. YPT tip #4: Don't touch the scouts, even the sexy ones.
  23. I wouldn’t want her to make Eagle for the simple reason that nearly all requirements require you to be Boy Scout when you do them. If the rules start being bent and waived to get girls or anyone else Eagle all you’re doing is cheapening what all Eagles have accomplished. You might as well fold the tent now because no guy I know will want to be part of that poor excuse of a program.
  24. Unfortunately that doesn't hold true to course. One does not need to earn the Webelos badge in order to get AOL. To be fair that means one doesn't need to earn Life to become an Eagle. Sure, Cubs receive awards, not rankings, but everyone knows that... right? The first Helicopter Parent looking to get their daughter into Yale or Harvard isn't going to let a little technicality like that get in the way.
  25. Scout Related Secret Santa Gifts

    Update: Got a $10 foldable daypack off of Amazon.
  26. It takes a minimum of 19 months to earn Eagle. 1 month for Tenderfoot's Physical Fitness (PF)requirement 4 Weeks ( 28 days) for Second Class and it's PF requirement 4 weeks for First Class and it's PF requirement 4 months for Star 6 for Life 6 for Eagle So technically 18 Months and 26 or 27 Days, not including Leap Year.
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