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  2. qwazse

    BREAKING - Fee Increase Numbers

    Am I looking at this crooked, or are youth basically underwriting the background checks for their merit badge counselors?
  3. Liz

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    At any rate, just to put it in perspective... $60 per year is still less than the new Disney+ Streaming service. Just sayin'. Personally, I still think it's a bargain. My daughter fundraises to cover the Pack expenses of participation. I buy her uniforms used. Summer camp is the only major expense, it's optional, and she is able to fundraise enough to cover that, too. I am lucky that our local council costs are covered by council fundraising - which again we participate in enthusiastically. If they want to start charging $12 a year at some point I still think that's not unreasonable. And I'm seriously considering the Disney+ streaming service too... but if I had to pick one or the other, Scouting all the way.
  4. Thunderbird

    BREAKING - Fee Increase Numbers

    Merit Badge Counselors, Nova Counselors, and Supernova Mentors are all no fee positions. Unit Scouter Reserve and Unit College Scouter Reserve adults do have to pay a fee at the unit level. Executive Officer is a no fee position at the unit level.
  5. Cleveland Rocks

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    Merit Badge counselor registrations have always been no charge. There are no fees to pay out of a unit's budget for a Merit Badge Counselor registration, because they are considered district-level positions, not unit-level positions. Merit Badge Counselor (position code 42 on the application), Unit Scouter Reserve (code 91) and College Scouter Reserve (code 92) are all no-fee registrations.
  6. Liz

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    I don't think they've ever been no charge, but many units pay for MB membership fees out of their Troop budget.
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  8. PACAN

    BREAKING - Fee Increase Numbers

    Are adults who are just MB counselors still no charge?
  9. 5thGenTexan

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    I just posted this on FB. I can't believe how many people didn't seem to know about this until today. I also can't believe how many units existence revolve around fundraising. We had our budget meeting in May as usual and decided what our dues needed to be. When the first communication came out regarding the national fee increase we took a wait and see approach. Our Join Scout Night was on Sept 26 and at that time the new families paid through the end of the year. A few days at parent orientation I got up in front of 40 something people and told them what our Pack dues are AND that the National Fee is $33, but its going up and we won't know how much until the end of October. When we know, you will know. I am now in the position to tell everyone the "How Much", but I feel like we are in a much better position that a lot of units that revolve around how much they raise in fundraising.
  10. denibug72

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    Well, we got a reprieve from the fee hike. Next year will not be pretty - with this national fee hike & the talk of getting rid of FOS & moving to the "Program Fee" model, I'm sure our fees will be quite high. At least we get a year to plan for it. http://www.northernstar.org/national-membership-fee-increase-delayed-for-all-northern-star-units
  11. yknot

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    You've got to be careful with those comparisons because generally the lower scout fee is based on several adults from the unit attending for the duration to provide supervision. YMCA, sports camps, STEM camps -- the kids go, parents don't, and counselors are provided. Having to take a day or so off work to do your shift at a scout camp can be a major hit whether you're self employed or burning vacation days. I think it works out kind of the same in our area although I know other places are different.
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  13. most information/instruction delivered via talking will not be absorbed or remembered. So likely it went in one ear and out the other for the rest of the scouts. I would use your time as a mentor to the SPL to help him develop an activity to do on a winter trip which focuses on the first aid issues. During that help, slip in the "corrections". For example, "One idea might be to do activity 'xyz' which would reinforce concept 'abc' (the error correction)".
  14. Eagle1993

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    My area, summer camp is just under $400 but a one week YMCA overnight camp is over $800 (but they ask those that can afford to pay the true cost $900). In terms of overnight week long camps, BSA summer camps are a great value in my area and there are scouts I seem to only see during summer camp. Many parents are dual income and look to sign their kids up for week long camps throughout the summer when school is out. Hopefully this increase will be the end for a while. I do think some of my intermittent Cub Scouts may drop as the fees continue to increase.
  15. Here in Indiana, I would tend to agree with Latin Scot about the numbers. One out of ten would be very optimistic. I don't see the youth in my area expressing any interest in continuing. Perhaps things are different in Utah and elsewhere.
  16. Last meeting included a part about cold weather first aid issues. The SPL did all the talking and he said some stuff that was wrong. I am loathe to take over the meeting but perhaps I should have in order to fix misunderstandings. Please advise.
  17. The Latin Scot

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    Well, at least $36 is still something I can afford. Glad I don't have kids at the moment though.
  18. The Latin Scot

    Informal Observations on LDS Scouts

    As an LDS commissioner, I think 1/4 is being optimistic. Honestly, I'll be floored if as many as one in ten LDS Scouts throughout the country stay in Scouting. Details about the church's new program are finally rolling in and it seems most boys won't look back as they develop and begin the new activities. Here in Southern Orange County, CA, there is only one LDS-focused unit being formed that will likely cover every town from San Clemente to Newport Beach and all the way north throughout Irvine - it's a huge area with LOTS of LDS youth, yet only about 30 families are showing any real interest in pursuing Scouting so far. I think with the new youth program beginning in earnest next year, the number of kids from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints still involved in Scouting will dwindle more than some like to think. We have a new program now, and while Scouting was wonderful for the 100+ years we were together, it's the dawn of a new era for LDS kids and we have an entirely new, equally involving initiative that's going to consume as much attention and focus and dedication as Scouting ever did. Scouting needs to brace itself for a more total departure than they realize.
  19. mds3d

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    Re: position patches. When I was a scout, we reused position patches. We did it so much so that we had a stash of green ones that we still wore. If a scout wanted to keep the one he wore (with the exception of the green ones) they had to buy a new one for the troop. It saved a small amount as we only replaced them when they wore out.
  20. Thunderbird

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    Summer camp where I am at is around $400 per Scout. The cost for adults varies, but can be around $275 per adult.
  21. 5thGenTexan

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    I was looking at one of my Boys Life issue from the 80s. They should be embarrassed by the product they are trying to sell now.
  22. scoutldr

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    My Council has announced the following, in addition to the national fee of $60 per youth: $12 insurance, $12 Boys Life and $30 Council Program fee, so $102 per youth member. Add to that the cost of unit dues, uniforms, and summer camp and other outings, you are looking at around $500 per youth per year. All adults also have to pay the program fee and insurance fee in addition to national registration. Scouting is now officially out of reach for a significant number of families with multiple registered members.
  23. Thunderbird

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    Scouting Wire: BSA Membership Fee Increase Details and FAQ https://scoutingwire.org/bsa-membership-fee-increase-details-and-faq/ The unit recharter fee is kind of hidden in the FAQ section: Q: Does this apply to youth members and volunteers? A: Yes, the new fees apply for youth and adult members. Effective January 1, 2020, the new fees are: $60 for youth members in Cub Scouts, Scouts BSA, Venturing and Sea Scouts, $36 for youth members in Exploring, and $36 for adult members (includes cost of background check and Scouting Magazine) $60 for unit charter fees
  24. Background... I was raised in a long-standing Mormon household. As in, I have a great grandfather's journal about living in Illinois during the Mormon persecution, another grandfather who was part of the Mormon Battalion, and other ancestors who travelled with the handcarts from NY to UT. I was talking to my mom recently. My parents live in a very tiny town smack in the middle of Utah, with a population that's 99.5% Mormon. (My guesstimate. Point is, very little religious diversity.) Mom is on the city council. She said they're looking into who could be a CO for a BSA troop because there are more than a few scouts who won't be able to make Eagle in time to beat the LDS withdrawal, and others who are going to be 'new' scouts who had brothers or cousins who earned Eagle and want the same thing. When the church first announced it was going to start its own program, I had thought this would be the case, but I just wasn't hearing anything from any of my relatives. Or anyone else for that matter. I decided I had it completely wrong, and LDS youth were going away for good. Now that things are wrapping up for the LDS scouts, I'm seeing what I thought I would be seeing last year. Families who value scouting and still want their sons involved. Of course, it still remains to be seen what percentage of LDS families end up sticking with scouting, but if that tiny, very Mormon, population in Utah is an indication of what other towns are thinking, my theory (guess, wild estimate?) would be that we'll see 1/4 to 1/3 of the LDS scouts return and/or join up.
  25. swilliams

    BREAKING - Fee Increase Numbers

    Don't want to hijack, so I'll start another thread, but I have a little bit of insight here.
  26. MikeS72

    Best Time for Scouting for Food

    We generally do very well as a district, and are hoping that we will do even better this year, since Scouting For Food is no longer the same week as our school district food drive. When we are trying to go door to door, and students from 87 school are bringing donation to class every day the same week it gets tough.
  27. qwazse

    "Good" Groups vs. "Bad" Groups

    I have a low bar: If a clique is robbing liquor stores to buy drugs, it's bad. If a clique is lofting a projectile to land loudly yet harmlessly on the SM's tent ... not so bad.
  28. Thunderbird

    BREAKING - Fee Increase Numbers

    Yes, I just looked up our recharter documents from last year, and there was a $40 Unit Liability Insurance Fee.
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