Eagle94-A1

That question came up at my last roundtable, Where will they sleep? From going through Youth on Youth Protection training, it seems as if putting someone who is a biologicall female in a tent with biological males is asking for trouble. Apparently one of the troops may have this issue in the near future.

December 2020 is the date I saw on one BSA document for the first female Eagle. Although doing the math, 3 months T-2-1, 4 months Star, 6 months Life, 6 months Eagle, September 2020 is the actual earliest.

Does your patrols do their own hikes whenever they want, or they do they have to wait for adults to get off work? Do they do their own patrol meetings, outside of troop meetings, whenever they want, or do they have to schedule them around around adults? Regarding your baseball analogy, have players gotten together to practice on their own, without any adults around? Heck have they ever played a pick up game without adults around? Having a patrol do things on their own is the same thing.

The problem is that it appears that National no longer trusts our Scouts, and wants to make BSA to mean Baby Sitters of America IMHO. From 1910 to 2012, National trusted Scout patrols to do ANY activity, including patrol over night camping with the SM's permission. And from 1910 to October 1, 2018, Patrols could, and continue to do until October 1, 2018, have patrol day activities without adults present. Some of the things I have done as a Scout, or have seen done, that will be forbidden after October 1, 2018 are the following: Patrol day hikes without adults Patrol meetings without adults Patrol service projects without adults Patrol shopping trips without adults Patrol practices for camporee without adults Patrol fishing trips without adults. Seems like BSA doesn't trust Scouts, nor us Scouters as far as I am concerned.

FYI, According to the current online version, which is more uptodate than the pdf version, the patrols can still do day activities on their own without adults until 10-1-18. So the Patrol Method is its terminal stages. 😪

Perhaps that is where BSA has screwed up. BP, Phillips, "Green Bar Bill" Hillcourt and others have all stated that the Patrol Method is the only method of Scouting.

While a lot of info is missing, I can see where an neighbor is not happy with living with a camp, and does things to annoy the campers. one local scout camp has been in existence since 1920s, and we have two neighbors complaining about the traffic and noise on weekends. And since they are developing the area, it's going to get worse. We have 'MacMansions" within 1/2 mile of the entrance to the camp, on the Camp Charles Road, and about 2 dozen new homes being built on Boy Scout Road, which ends at the camp entrance.

Have you seen some of the guidance coming from national? It is a charley foxtrot! Best example was the CSE talking about combining girls and boys dens. He begins with the official line, then at the end states, "as long as everyone works out of their own book, you will be fine" or words to that effect. That video can be found on Bryan's Blog. And if you look at the early adopter FB group, you have lots of pictures of "joint den meetings." Heck there was an article about how the girls are better behaved, i.e. sitting still and paying attention, than the boys. And no one is saying that the early adopter is not following the guidelines form national.

With all due respect, "linked troops" will be coed troops. Linked troops share everything: CO; committee; meeting night, time, and location; trips and activities; equipment; and ASMs. The only thing they cannot currently share is SMs. Even then some are saying that is a suggestion and not a requirement for "linked troops." That sounds like a coed troop to me, and all the volunteers I have talked too. It also sounds like a coed troop to the Boy Scouts I've talked to as well.

I think separate boys and girls' troops does make sense when the majority of the current members, parents, and volunteers do not want a "linked troop." I have been told by several folks that they will either quit Scouting altogether, or look for a male-only troop is my troop becomes a "linked troop," aka coed in these parts. The troop would be literally decimated members wise, and lose several key volunteers. Our CO does not financially support the troop and pack. So if they excercised their right as CO and take moneyfrom the troop that the boys earned, yes it would. In fact I bet the folks above would quit over it. But if they gave money from their general funds to help start the girls' troop, no it would not.

No. I do not have any daughters, and know I would be looked at with suspicion by some parents. That suspicion can cause problems that a new unit would not need. This happened to me several times when I was younger and had no kids in the program. Heck it happened with some parents in the troop I grew up in! One mother was very concerned that a 19 year old college student was working with her son. She thought I was a pedophile, and she told me that years later after she got to know me. Two troops I was in had reservations about me, and only accepted me as a volunteer when they verified that I worked for BSA, or checked my references in the neighboring council. Now would I train and mentor new Scouters trying to get it started? Yes. But the point it moot. My sons' troop needs help to get it back on track.

So you too are saying "linked troops" are coed troops?

I have. Very informative, and one of the reason why I am against coed Scouting. That said I am glad I am homeschooling as schools are very rapidly becoming toxic to boys.

Diagram on page 9 with the Cub Scout Diamond is mistake. Keeping with the traditional placement, just adding Lions Bar underneath. This came from the head staffer for Commissioner services, and was posted on facebook.

IT.WON'T. WORK. Even before the linked troop concept was announced, Units were saying "separate but equal" troops would not work, only going full blown coed. With the new YP guidelines going into effect 10-1-18 which effectively kills the Patrol Method, I take it national realizes that "separate but equal" and "linked troops" will not work, and are preparing the groundwork for coed Scouting, BSA. Who knows, National may even decide to allow coed patrols in the future. It certainly looks that way.