Eagle94-A1

word of mouth is how we recruit since we do not have a Cub pack. Everyone has either transferred from a unit they did not fit in with, or had a friend in the troop. Problem is instead of helping existing units survive, council is focused on starting new units. T-shirt is a good idea. Since buying custom shirts is cost prohibitive with such a small number, troop purchased everyone a Camp Cherokee T shirt. as for taking a break, tha will happen in September with band season hits. We will meet, and possibly do some fundraising. Next month is a white water trip,

Thanks folks. I am at camp, Cherokee Scout Reservation in NC, and am exhausted and sweaty. But also in a much better morale situation. So I am just getting a chance to read and respond. They are now aware. Sad thing is there are units in worse shape in the district. We are considered “healthy.” . We were able to get a second leaser. And physical he paid for. going Provo was going to be my emergency plan c.

National's computer system use a 4 digit code for units. if memory serves if the starting number is 3 is the national code for Cubs; 0 is the national code for boy troops, 5 is the national code for Ships, and 6 is for Crews. I do not think there was a national consensus for girl troops as in my area 7 designates girl troops.

One of the things that set this sentiment off yesterday, is I got a call from our 2nd summer camp adult asking if it was possible to either get a replacement, and when I told him that might not be possible, or only come for half a week. Guy has known for several months that it was just going to be me and him, and was reminded a few weeks ago. While his physical states he has no limitations, he didn't tell his MD he was going to summer camp. And with the issues he is having, he should not be going to camp at all IMHO. I may have a replacement, pending getting registered. But to do that, the troop is paying his registration fee, normally adults and scouts are responsible with fundraising paying for supplies and camp outs. And I am paying for his physical at an immediate care since he cannot see his PCP before we leave Sunday. This made me realize that without adequate adult support, we cannot have the program the Scouts want. They want to go whitewater rafting. They want to go backpacking. They want the adventure. But If we cannot get 2 adults over 21 to do them, is it worth keeping the troop alive to say we are alive? I do not think so. After summer camp, I want to meet with our COR. past SM, and if he is willing the CC (CC is ticked off at a decision I made. Stated he will no longer go camping with the troop, and has not been to any meetings, including one where 2 BORs were being held). Topic will be to fold the troop. I know the immediate SM's response ( whatever you decide I am fine with) and the CC's response ( Hell no we are not folding). But I want the COR involved in this, and to come up with a plan either way. The point may be moot anyway if we do not get a 5th Scout before December.

Sadly, the CO has a number, and all units associated with that CO: Pack, Troops, Ship, or Crew would have the same number. CC, and COR would need to crack down on the girls unit. There are a few cases where the CO has multiple numbers, but those are rare.

I believe I have found a good home for them. The troop has a similar philosophy regarding advancement, and they have an active Cub Scout pack.. So they have future. And their program is strong. Talking to the UC, that unit and ours were not the ones he was worried about, until I told him the situation. The reason for waiting until the end of the charter year is that we do have some money to spend in the unit account, and I do not want that money going to council. Under the new Charter Agreement, they are supposed to get that money, and they put us into this position. I really want the money to stay with the church in the hope they can restart the troop in the future. I didn't think of that, and that is a good point. We will probably end a month before recharter, as we have an activity planned that no one will want to miss.

I have been fighting this battle for some time. The troop is now down to 4 active Scouts. Council will not help with recruiting, I have asked them for help, and was told no. Then they wonder why we have not participated in council sales or do FOS.. Trying to plan next year, and 2 prime camping months are taken up by an activity 3 of the members are in. Plus there will be last minute stuff popping up causing us to postpone, or even cancel trips. This year we were lucky, but last year we had to cancel multiple trips. And finally we have are starting to have a challenge with having enough adults. All of the adults have some health issues, and also limits what we can do. And I was just informed today that my second adult for summer camp may not be able to make it. We leave Sunday. I will be having a more detailed conversation tonite. I'm tired and burnt out with the troop. And I am also very frustrated with the council. I used to be active on the district and council level. When they needed something, and I was able to help, I did. Heck they told me I was in charge of an event with 60 days get it up and running. And now they cannot help us with recruiting. And before you say we are responsible, we have done everything we could. In fact I have recruited more girls for the only girls troop. But worse is that they are upping the council fees. In addition to the national charter and registration fees, council is now charging each Scout an additional $50 council fee, and each unit $112.50 PER SCOUT council "fair share" fee. We have families that need help, and they keep adding fees. I think once the charter is finished, so is the troop.

Biggest problem in my neck of the woods is that no one wants to deal with council. Folks are burnt out or frustrated. We had two bright-eyed new volunteers assume a district level position, and within 12 months resigned. They were overworked. We have had pros overrule volunteers on events, i.e. multibooking a location, not ordering enough supplies, or not even ordering supplies at all. We have had volunteers try to do camp improvements for events, and told "NO." Then the site is not ready. We had volunteers removed from their position when they question the pros, i.e Why did council take $40K earmarked for the OA to do camp improvements for Conclave and put it in the general fund as a FOS donation. And we had volunteers yelled and screamed at by pros. And when folks do ask for help from council, they are told no.

Correct. Even though Scoutmaster Fundamentals never expires, it is no longer considered a code for "Trained Status." I forgot as a Key Three I can add the missing training. So I added the date of the last time I taught the Scoutmaster Specific class. Problem fixed. 1. Understatement. IOLS has left out a lot of info in older HBs and FBs. Last time I taught IOLS, the syllabus left out so much information, that I had handouts on additional information from older HBs and FBs. And the last syllabus I looked at took out even more information! I do not know who is creating training content, but they need to look at Green Bar Bill's work. 2. I too question the usefulness. 1:30 total for SM Training! When I did SMF, the Troop Meeting section, which is now 10 minutes long, Was an 90+ Minutes as it simulated an actual troop meeting with Pre Opening, Opening, Instruction, Patrol Meeting, Inter-patrol Competition, and Closing. IMHO, it is more about process than preparing for adventure. Which is a mistake. Scouts want adventure.

Registrar was of little help. Said they could not find my training sheets from when I taught. And they wanted proof i actually taught the course. And my copy of training records is MIA. I believe oldest transferred them to storage when he built my current computer.. @skeptic, remind me of a friend who is a longtime Scouter. His records went MIA, and he not only taught courses at the council level, but was also PTC faculty.

For those who need a TEMPORARY fix. It ain't perfect, but it may do. Forgot to add, under "to" FULL NAME AS ON APPLICATION ( in big font) (skip 2 lines) Troop 123 ( in small font)

Well I'm "UNTRAINED" again. Even though Scoutmaster Fundamentals has "No expiration date." This despite the fact I taught the SM Specific class multiple times when I was district Training Chair. To the folks who came up with the idea of getting rid of SMF, I will quote one of my districts long serving volunteers, "I've forgotten more about Scouting than you ever learned, and I still know more than you do."

A temporary solution I have done is take an image of the certificate I found online, and edited it. Not perfect, but works until the real certificates come in.,

Going from memory here, so bear with me. One of the reasons for better quality control is that there are a lot fewer professionals, so there is no pressure to increase membership numbers. As a result volunteers are empowered more to do things. If a group of volunteers want to clean up camp to prepare for an event, they contact the camp warden (ranger) and Bob's your uncle, you can do it. I know of councils where you have to go through the council office and SE in order to have a work day, and they may even deny it! Another thing is that their standards when I was there had not changed. "One and Done" was not a thing. Emphasis on advancement, and Queen's Scout was not existent, compared to the pressure in the US. I have had folks tell me HA is a was a of time because there is little to no advancement involved. Instead their focus was on skills and adventure. Finally, they held their Scouts to higher expectations/standards. It was not uncommon for their Scouts and Ventures to go on a week long expedition without any adult supervision as part of the DoE Award program. Even today they do "Remote Supervision" as defined as: "Remote [Supervision] ‑ Where the Supervisor remains out of sight and hearing of the team and allows them to get on with the expedition without any intervention ‑ The Supervisor will have a good idea of roughly where the team are and how they are progressing ‑ This is the norm for the majority of practice expeditions and all qualifying expeditions. It allows the Supervisor to: ◦ Periodically observe the team without intervening ◦ Allow the team to make mistakes and to recover from them without outside intervention ◦ Support the team by remaining remote yet in the expedition area and able to intervene if absolutely necessary or if requested."