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TOPICS SURVEYS & RANKINGS CASES & VERDICTS PEOPLE & COMMUNITY ALL SECTIONS Analysis Revisiting 'Boy Scouts of America v. Dale' and the Right to Discriminate How the Boy Scouts’ court victory to exclude gays defeated the organization and is instructive in the struggle for LGBTQ rights today. By Thomas H. Prol | November 14, 2019 at 10:00 AM Bigstock. In 1999, a decision by the Supreme Court of New Jersey read as follows: This is what I am getting on both the link just shared and the one that comes up in the original post. I can see no way to actually get the article unless some kind of registration occurs. Maybe I am missing something. Want to continue reading? Become a Free ALM Digital Reader. BENEFITS OF A DIGITAL MEMBERSHIP: Free access to 3 articles* every 30 days Access to the entire ALM network of websites Unlimited access to the ALM suite of newsletters Build custom alerts on any search topic of your choosing Search by a wide range of topics REGISTER NOW *May exclude premium content Already have an account? Sign In Now

Cannot find a way to actually read the piece. Is there another link I am missing?

Seems simple enough and really no real change if we can get past various biases. Any youth between the ages of 5 and 18 can be a scout in some manner or group, and any adult that chooses to be YP trained and follow the rules of YP and the group as a whole may be involved in mentor capacity, with or without family members. All will "do their best" to live their lives in the reflection of the basic tenets of Scouting shown by the Oath and Law. Adults will put the needs of the youth first, and youth will strive, though living the noted tenets to be the best citizens and members of society that they can, accepting the challenges and respecting others. How is that? Are we close?

I meant to suggest that they are now under the umbrella of Ventures, so that is where the new rates would be listed. Historically they are the oldest senior scout program, predating all the other various programs, such as Explorers, Air Scouts, Rovers, and so on. Thanks for clarifying it.

That is what might happen if you overcorrect to solve problems. Add to it the misunderstanding of many regarding OA and Native American cultures, and you end up with the proverbial milk-toast. I have posted before that the main issue I see is, as you put it, the gimme and no limit elections. But, it is mostly the lack of true mystique due to the fear of "secret societies"and the flack regarding regalia that seems most damaging. Pure lack of pride also often seems present to me. When we old guys were inducted, ceremonies not only had the regalia, but all of the players knew their parts without reading them. Ordeals had consequences if candidates chose to violate the restrictions. I have no answer though. Maybe I am becoming too jaded.

I did Google his name, and I got nothing that current. Of course, that just shows the Post as not using verified information. From the older posts, it would indicate he has and had issues with National decisions and stated them. That is his right. But I do not care how long he might have been in Scouting. His quote is misleading and ignores most of the facts. For me, he is simply continuing to grind his axe related to decisions about which he is and was unhappy. His comments do nothing to actually help the situation. JMO of course.

Other than being Yellow Press, what does the NYPost have against the BSA? They appear to simply look for reasons to bludgeon us. This is irresponsible and misleading, as seems to be their regular mode of writing. They use similar tactics to attack some politicians and click bait targets. They are at least somewhat partially responsible by printing overly hyped stories that infer unproven things and skew the truth, while encouraging the ambulance chasers. Just my view, but seems pretty obvious that someone there has personal issues with BSA.

No; it is an offshoot of the Venturing program.

Here is a link to info on youth sports expenses. Compare. http://money.com/money/5652496/youth-sports-cost/?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaig Y memberships vary, but are from as low as $15/mo to as much as $40 or so; plus additional for many special programs especially in summer. Boys and Girls Clubs all set their own fees and I found some as low as $5 a school year all the way to $100/year. I suspect that the averages are likely in the $20ish or so per month or academic year. Other activities outside of the main building program are extra. They also have a lot of heavy hitter donors in many parts of the country, getting many of the United Way dollars that once went to Scouting before the gender wars. Scouting, even at these levels is still a bargain when compared. And if National can come through with the aid for the lesser capable, it will really be one. If I were the various sports groups and clubs like Boys and Girls, I would be watching closely the pendulum swinging from BSA towards them. Once BSA is no longer the fattest cow, they will look elsewhere for their greed.

While the idea would at one time likely been helpful, today, as someone else pointed out, would likely just draw the bullies to the scout. And we do not need more reasons for boys to shy away from the program. It is different when they are in public together or with adults, but in the school, it might be really difficult for many. Reflecting on the truth in society in this country.

While much of the "precautionary" decisions are onerous and even at times annoying, they are in direct response to the society in which we live. Safety of the youth we serve is the primary goal, but reality is that it is also, to a large extent, CYA based on patterns being seen going forward. And some of those "A's" they are covering are ours, whether we feel it is fair or not. Until we, in this society, find the courage to stand up to the skewed legal system we have bred with our "victimhood" attitude and our "it is someone else's fault" responses to many things, we will continue to have to find ways to respond, or we will simply hunker down in our personal holes and ignore the larger world and society. Not what the basic tenets of Scouting would encourage, nor most of us wish to happen.

I might ask the last time you looked at it? While the reading level is aimed at middle school for Scouts, and about 4th grade for Cubs, it has well done pieces on a number of current Scouting challenges. The cartoon section is not really what I would like, but I was spoiled in the fifties in that regard. The most recent mag has examples of various backpacks, a piece on canoeing, the regular feature on Scouts that have distinguished themselves in some manner, such as winning a sports age level competition or a major science award, a piece on owls (always has a nature piece), and the write-in column asking for advice. Also a few items from National and Hitching Rack with Pedro, as well as the Scouts in Action. When I was in the schools regularly, I would donate copies for the libraries, and the librarians and teachers said the mag was one of the most popular items in there for the students, both genders. There is also a link for the mag online that has more things, including games and hints for skills and earning Eagle. A recent link is a listing of projects submitted from various Eagles across the country, separated by type of project and so on. Still, you are correct that many of the youth do not read it. How much of that has to do with "attitude" they see or perceive and how much it has to be with the fact they simply do not read much of anything I have no idea. Frankly, it is a resource that leaders might actually encourage. It might also be an in meeting opportunity for a short segment once a month or so, like when the students in class would spend a segment of one day reading out loud from one of the school magazines that they use in some schools, like the Weekly Reader.

But even then I had over thirty years in the program. In 2002 I had been SM of my troop for 25 years and was 56 years old. Not sure I was eligible to be called a youngster. Have to find my official replacement, though the unit says I have to stay as long as I can speak and hobble. They are my family really after so many years. Being in touch on occasion with past members from 40 plus years. My second Eagle in the troop now has a daughter that has graduated college. And a number of others from 20 years or so back have teens and beginning college kids. It now has become a challenge at times if I run into one in public and they recognize me, but I cannot quite place them. As part of my historical poking I need to put my own down in a more organized matter, especially the part that relates to our troop. It will be 100 in 2021, and I already have stories and so on from many to put in an archive. So, I suppose I should do my own as well. Got the time, just having bit of trouble focussing now. Later.

Just mostly curious. I have been on this Forum almost from its beginning, joining at the same time I tried to support Scouter (?), the magazine. the profile says since 2007, so I guess that is right. Anyway, I just simply wonder how many are still on here that go back to then? There were some pretty interesting "discussions" early on. Got to admit I miss a few of those voices, and I know some left for reasons of disagreement with Scouting period, some due to personal loss of interest, and a few due to illness or having passed. One voice that always made me smile and often had very thoughtful comments was "Beaver". Another was "Bob White". Other than myself, I believe John, who seems to have the FB contact point, is still here. A couple of the various "Eagle" screen names, and Desert Rat, until recently anyway.