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    Retired; Past substitute teacher. 25 years in retail management.
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    Poetry, reading, Scouting history and memorabilia.
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    Scout and Explorer: 1955-1962; Eagle<br /><br />
    Scouter: ASM 1966-67; Member at Large, NESA rep 1976; Unit Commissioner 1977; SM 1977-Present; RT staff off and on 1979-Present; Jamborees: Scout, 1960; ASM, 1985; Staff, 2010. Miscellaneous participation in training and so on since 1979; Woodbadge with 3 beads, including both old and new course material. <br /><br />
    Scouting Historian of Sorts; one of the larger accumulations of literature and related ephemera in So Cal focused on history and sociology of the program, as well as unusual connections such as comics and advertising. Mount 2-3 displays per year for council and/or district, and occasionally unit.<br /><br />
    OA; Ordeal 1959 at Camp Arataba summer camp; Brotherhood 1960 building Helendade (then Running Springs SR); Vigil 1987 VCC.<br /><br />
    SB; Youth Religious 1961, Adult 1980's; Miscellaneous "being around a long time awards".<br /><br />
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    BA 1971 UCR; Teaching Credential 1975 CSULB.

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  1. While the premise is laudable the danger of it becoming a political punching bag would have been considerable. On the other hand, taking the campaign to another level, and incorporating other youth is a focused and well-planned campaign might fit. As it is presented in the vague story, it would be hard-pressed to meet the project parameters. Still, we do need to encourage our current generation to take control and work towards a better world environment.
  2. skeptic

    Growth of Scout Spirit/Ideals

    Since Scout Spirit is how the scout lives within the parameters of the tenets of Scouting, a general discussion with them regarding how they see themselves doing that would cover it. On the other hand, if the particular scout has had some issues that you feel need to have their attention and have room for improvement you might lead the discussion towards that. Most importantly, try to let the scout lead the discussion as much as possible, being sure that you understand their thoughts and responding positively or on occasion with a suggestion as to how they might do something differently or succinctly. Try to keep it positive no matter what.
  3. The National Lodge needs tor to reevaluate the history and find a way to reinstate the mystique and actual "honor" in being a member. It has been beaten to death, but there need to be more actual limits on eligibility that make it less a "gimme". They sill have a purpose and in ur council do help, though, as noted, getting higher participation is difficult. But that has as much to do with the lesser honor issues than simply the over-scheduled lives of the scouts in general.
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    New Round of Abuse Lawsuits...

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/alvin-townley-boy-scouts-extraordinary-impact-on-america-calls-us-to-consider-risk-of-litigating-it-to-death?fbclid=IwAR3nN4WaZlmDvQ5BuxGCoSkenskcvsi8XhlmhREoVUZPAyKfXeY6sS5hLtk
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    Alleged Fentanyl kingpin was Eagle Scout (UT)

    And I fully agree that BSA "should" actually have a way to officially recind Eagle, and possibly other special awards like Silver Beaver and so on, should the holder prove they no longer deserve to hold the honor. Sort of goes back to the old fine print in earlier books about Trustworth: "A Scout's Honor is to be trusted. If he were to violate this honor by lying, cheating, or not doing exactly a given task, he MAY be directed to hand over his Scout Badge." In my earlier comment, I simply state my feeling that the Scouting connection should not be a major factor in the aberrant behavior of someone. Other than trying to somehow lessen the mostly positive image of Scouting, even in today's almost amoral society, it serves little purpose.
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    Alleged Fentanyl kingpin was Eagle Scout (UT)

    Not sure what the point is. There have always been Eagles that did not live up to the Oath and Law in later life, or sometimes even while in the program. That an Eagle would step out of the mold just proves that they are normal people, prey to the same temptations and foibles as anyone else. The difference is how few, in comparison to their peers, do go in the wrong direction. There have been numerous studies to verify that. We DO NOT win all the challenges, nor does Scouting save all its successful participants. Just look at some of the poor examples of Eagles that populate our government halls. Are some of them any better than the drug seller in the damage they are causing or have caused? Instead of pointing to the worst examples, why not instead continue to find ways to prove he is an aberration?
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    Wreath company recommendations

    We have been very happy with the service and flexibility of Mickman Brothers. They have an excellent product, friendly people, and they plant trees in connection with their products. The online system is adaptable to your own design, to a point and last year they improved it so as to allow the seller to know who actually was responsible for the online sale, each of which earned the seller $8. We used another company for many years, and they too had a great product, but their case lots were far too large for our small unit's needs and they had a minimum as well.
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    Youth Protection and Bankruptcy

    And there we have it once again; the BSA is the deep pocket the lawyers seek. It will be interesting how the case(s) move forward with the other links already noted. There were apparently school teachers, doctors, and other youth group connections that are on the list. They were not just members of BSA, and some apparently were dealt with, but not on the level of expectation expected today. We of course are back to the changing societal perceptions and responses to moral turpitude. "The concept of "moral turpitude" might escape precise definition, but it has been described as an "act of baseness, vileness, or depravity in the private and social duties which a man owes to his fellowmen, or to society in general, contrary to the accepted and customary rule of right and duty between man and man." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_turpitude I find it interesting that there is noted some connections as well to immigration issues in this shared link. Not being a lawyer, I am not doing more than offering my opinion that it is difficult to make solid judgments about things that have evolved over decades within our society. At the same time, it is even more imperative that we do all we can to assure that YP is kept up to date and at the forefront of our interactions within the program. At the same time, we could hope that somehow the legal stage will bring to fore the reality that the issue is/was not just the BSA, and that today BSA is a leader in trying to avoid these kinds of problems. At the same time, we can never absolutely stop perpetrators that are out there, only put the YP barriers up with all our abilities.
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    Which square knots to wear and why

    This is the old one through NESA
  10. skeptic

    Which square knots to wear and why

    I like the attempt to prioritize the award knots, and especially the point of choosing the highest nominated award, e.g. Silver Beaver, over Award of Merit. Few of us would need to go farther, though perhaps local recognition might take precedence, depending on the normal uniform use. What I call my formal uniform would take that into consideration, so if I have to eliminate one, the Award of Merit would be likely, followed by the Training award since I have the Key; the real reason for both is the training covers Scouter and Commissioner with the devices. I personally feel the youth religious knot has a high priority and takes precedence over the adult if necessary. Few of us really have to deal with more than 10-12 anyway. Right now I am trying to decide how to handle having been nominated for the updated Scoutmaster award and since the earlier one has a different knot, which should I wear; probably the more current one, retiring the original to the memory book. On the other hand, it can be fun to listen to someone try to determine the knots; most have never seen the original NESA SM award knot. Ultimately, I doubt I will go beyond four rows, and may only have that on the formal shirt. I do still on occasion wear the medals for COH or on Scout Sunday, the religious ones. Once, at the prodding of my scout leadership group, put all the actual medals on for a COH after I had gotten on them for not having their awards on uniforms. But, the clanking and fact they sort of get in the way much of the time makes that a rare exception. We also have some challenges with hanging medals for NRA and Trails on occasion. Ultimately, common sense and rational thought will win out.
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    Uncovering swim attire past and present

    Working on our council history, looking through old photos from the twenties and thirties, you can tell that many scouts were swimming nude, though the old photos are so small that you have to look closely. None of the ones in the archives appear to show anything scandalous. But, we have an enlarged, posed photo in our own troop record that was shot in the Southern Sierra in the forties with a goup of senior scouts, staff from the local camp that had finished the summer, on rocks by a lake sans clothing. Again, it is well posed and composed to not show anything too scandalous unless basic skin is so considered. I learned to swim at the Y in Alhambra, CA in the fifties, and they still had a clothing optional swim period for males and for females. When my brother and I went on family night with our dad, we always changed in the men's locker and took showers with all ages. Of course, in high school, showers were group with multiple shower heads, and you were required to use them after PE. It was not an optional program. That went for the girls too. We live in a different world, and I wonder sometimes if much of our current issues may actually stem from this return to prudery of sorts and scandalizing the reality to where it becomes somehow wrong, even as we allow the porn industry and advertisers to push boundaries. Still, I have no issue with the barriers of YP. It is way overdue, not simply in Scouting, but in the society at large. At the same time, how much of our convoluted responses to the human body actually push us towards problems?
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    Faith and Chaplaincy Issues

    While some kind of misunderstanding happened, I am suspicious of the story's direction. I suspect that legal threat was not necessary, but it plays into the larger "anti-Christian" persecution storyline. Surely the decision at the base was a poor misinterpretation or possibly a personal decision without proper vetting. JMO of course.
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    New Sex Abuse Charges

    The lawyers are simply greedy, but there are a few out there that for some reason work at bringing bad image publicity to BSA. Why, other than they can, I do not know.
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    New Sex Abuse Charges

    And you are absolutely right. But the ambulance chasers and hate the Scouts people will never give any credit. They do not care that BSA has a far better track record than probably any other youth-serving group, and likely better than schools as well.
  15. Sour grapes never make good wine.
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