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  1. CSE Letter on GSUSA Infringements

    Nice job and good advice for all of us.
  2. This is on the docket as a team building exercise for the ILST group. But maybe even a better idea for the new guys. The persistence with which some kids will attack a log with a hatchet always fascinates me. This will definitely be on the menu.
  3. This weekend the troop is doing "Tenderfoot Weekend" which concentrates on helping our newest scouts learn to camp as a Boy Scout. Because of scheduling challenges, our oldest scouts are going to be holding an Introduction to Leadership Skills for Troops ILST session Saturday from right after breakfast until lunch time. Contrary to what we all know is best practices, this means that rather than having our older scouts leading the program for our younger scouts that morning we will instead have some adults work with the newest scouts on some basic scout skills. We know it's not a great idea, but it's the best we, and by we I mean the PLC and the adult leadership together, could come up with to get in some badly needed leadership training for our older scouts. After lunch the adults plan is to retire to our camp chairs and turn things back over to the way they should be. Setting aside all the approbation about why this is a bad idea, what do you think would be the most fun skills to work on for scouts on their first troop camp out. I'm going to start with fire: how to find proper materials, how to build, how to start without matches, etc. But I need another hour or two of subject matter. To really offend your sense of the way things should be, we're probably even going to do dishes for the regular patrols so that they can get to the training quicker that morning.
  4. So the new YPT rule, quoted a couple times on these forums from the Early Adopter power point, and duplicated in the presentation our council gave last week is: One registered adult leader and one other adult, one of which must be 21 years old, and a Youth Protection trained adult female must be present. So, essentially one adult female, YPT trained, at every meeting, outing, trek, etc. that involves female youth. I doubt that any higher number of folks today are going to ignore this rule than ignore current YPT guidelines about adult numbers and presence. As for what to do, I think it will depend on the individual units. For my unit, I think we'll end up with two troops under one CO, it's more a question of when not whether. My hope is that the two units operate separately for the most part. There are a couple of activities: fundraising and a weekend we camp jointly with our CO's Cub Pack, that I think would make sense to do together, but I don't think the troops should otherwise assume that they're going together. Of course as with all trips, that will be up to the respective PLCs and not my call. As I'm typing this, I think my last sentence answers the question for me. The YPT rules need always to be followed, if they can't be met for both units than it is up to the respective PLCs to decide if they both go or only one goes. I guess I disagree with what seems to be the underlying premise of your question, which is that there will regularly be trouble finding females to attend outings. I am part of a very middle class, middle of the road, mid west troop. We regularly have women camp with us, including at summer camp, some of them are registered leaders, occasionally it's just a one time outing for a mom who wants to see what her son is experiencing. If they instituted a rule tomorrow that our all boy troop needed to have a female on every trip I can't think of a single trip that I'd have trouble fully staffing. Do the rest of the units out there have some dearth of scout mothers who are willing to sleep in a tent ?
  5. The short answer of course is the same thing that would happen any time you don't have enough adults to conduct an activity --- you either find them or you don't conduct the activity. 1) This seems the least likely and the easiest to avoid or correct. You don't really need a female scouter, you need an adult female who has taken YPT. I don't think I've ever been at a meeting where there wasn't at least one adult female; troops will probably need to get more women to take YPT, but that's a 45 minute online class --- hardly a difficult ask. 2) This one will be harder, but we've had occasional weekends when we couldn't go because we didn't have enough adults; when that happens you just don't go. 3) Harder certainly, but since this is a once a year phenomenon scheduled months in advance it really shouldn't be that difficult. Parents who want their kids to experience scouting are going to make the sacrifices necessary to enable them to experience scouting, that's what happens today. Parents who want their daughters to experience scouting will probably be self selecting as a group willing to make a bit of extra sacrifice to make that happen.
  6. Significant youth protection changes

    We'll need to make some minor adjustments, but I don't think either of these changes will have a big impact. Except when we're on a backpacking trip, most of our tents are sized as 4 man, and we usually tent two to a tent, occasionally three, but that is most often because three scouts want that. We have mixed age patrols, but when the scouts are choosing tent partners they're generally close in age. I suspect that when we do run into a challenge it will be one older scout as odd man out. Either he'll pitch his own tent or toss in with someone the same age from another patrol. The 72 hour role will similarly have some effect but not get too much in the way. We already have everyone who wants to camp with us do YPT. The most common trip we have longer than 3 days is summer camp. We often have an unregistered parent come out for a night or two, which won't trigger the rule. Most of the adults willing to spend half a week are already registered, or the type of adult we want to recruit. The other 3 day trip we take is usually Memorial day. We do things like whitewater rafting, canoe trips, or "up north" to the northern part of the lower MI peninsula. depending on the trip we are usually right below or right above the 72 hour mark. These trips do tend to attract more non registered adults so we may end up adding one or two more adults that wouldn't normally want to make the commitment. So if we add a couple of adult registrations for 3/4 of the year we're looking at an additional cost of $24 a piece. Doing extra paperwork is never my favorite past time, but this is pretty deminimis.
  7. IOLS sign ups

    You maybe on the way to being registered, but you may not be there yet. In order for any adult to be registered with BSA they have to first complete Youth Protection Training (YPT). If you haven't done that yet AND also submitted some proof of it to go along with your paper application, then likely your app is sitting on a desk somewhere waiting for that to happen. Most registrations, I mean probably 95%, happen through individual units, and so the unit leaders make sure that applicants end up as registrants. Being a nonstandard part of the process in a big, slow, stodgy, bureaucratic organization, it is very possible that your registration is effectively no one's responsibility and you are as likely as not going to fall through the cracks unless you do all the follow up. If you haven't done YPT, go online my.scouting and do it, then find out who has your paper application and get the proof of of completion matched up with it. Once that's accomplished you'll be issued a membership number. You then need to go back to my.scouting and enter your BSA member ID into the account you set up to take the training. Be forewarned, no scouting computer system talks to any other. National membership doesn't match up to national training, neither match up with whatever online system your council is using. Scouting is a wonderful program with a woeful bureaucracy. Keep in mind the former as you gnash your teeth at the latter. Thanks for being willing to serve. On a different note, would you mind telling us what is motivating you and your daughters to join, how old are they and what is your experience with the program, if any.
  8. Linked Troops - What are these?

    That still seems a little inexact to me. I never understood the two adults requirement to apply to all meetings in the same way it applies to trips and outings, but they say that for boys this is not a change. But assuming that this is the new rule it doesn't specify there has to be a registered female leader, just a YPT trained female adult. We have a fair number of people who are YPT trained but not registered. In the troop, if you want to come camp with us once a year we don't register you, but we do require that you take YPT; we're chartered by a catholic CO and we require that they take diocesan YPT as well. In the Den and Pack I can see this being satisfied by having a whole bunch of mothers take YPT, and as long as one of them is present you're OK. Same in the troop, although that will be a bit more of a challenge, we have female adults, some registered, some not, on maybe 1/3 of our campouts. Clearly a female troop would need to increase that number.
  9. Linked Troops - What are these?

    Interesting, they haven't put that on the website. Here's what it says currently. Adult Supervision/Coed Activities Male and female adult leaders must be present at all overnight coed Scouting trips and outings, even those for parents and children. All male and female adult leaders must be 21 years of age or older, and one must be a registered member of the BSA.https://www.scouting.org/training/youth-protection/
  10. I've allowed scouts to make dumb decisions that left them uncomfortable and used it as a learning experience. I have also intervened frequently and told scouts I'm uninterested in their preferences when it comes to clothing and safety. Clothing is part of your equipment, a tool, and like all tools needs to be used properly. Uncomfortable scouts are their problem, scouts on their way to hypothermia (or sunburn) become my problem, and I like to solve my problems before they really become problems. It's a fine line, and you have to take into account a myriad of situational facts to decide which approach to take to further the scout's learning. I will say that we have a packing list that's provided for each type of outing, and the scout is expected to have everything on it; we ask that parents help their scouts to Be Prepared in this way. If you're supposed to have a wind/waterproof shell for an outing (in our troop you are, for every trip) than you need to have that with you. If you don't want to bring iy you don't have to go. What you do with it once you're on the trip gets handled as I mentioned above.
  11. Linked Troops - What are these?

    I realize that this person SHOULD be speaking from a place of expertise, but has anyone seen this in writing as a policy? I haven't yet taken the new YPT, is it in there? The FAQs I've read have said that there can be male den leaders and SMs for female dens and units, and has been silent about having to have a female leader always present. Even requiring the second adult at an event to be registered is somewhat of a change from the current two deep requirements.
  12. Ordeal in 31 days, oh my

    I don't know the actual numbers, but I don't think our Lodge has as many as eight people on our ceremonies team. My suggestion would be to refocus on what is most important and cut back on the rest. If you only have time to practice the ceremony just practice the ceremony, leave trail clearing, etc. either to others or undone. The quality of the trail is irrelevant compared to quality of the ceremony itself.
  13. Philmont Announcement - March 27

    I'm unclear why this is seen as a bad thing. For folks championing an outdoor program I would think encouraging families to camp and/or hike together, including and maybe especially into the back country, this should seem like a good thing. This is the kind of thing I did with my family growing up and the kind of thing I've done with my family raising my kids. I'm assuming this is being driven at least in part by economics which would seem straightforward. To make all the various program areas, like rock climbing, available at Philmont, you have fixed cost X, if you don't have enough people paying to participate to cover X you have to either close down some areas or increase the paying participants. It's possible you could reach some tipping point where the non trekking participants start materially interfering with the trek experience, but it's not necessarily a given that you'll get there, and it certainly isn't going to happen in any near term. Ask yourself how many scout families in your troop are realistically candidates for this.
  14. You're correct; turns out it can't be used for transfers, which is what a Webelos crossing over is. The unit guide for the online application said "Youth and adults who use this system should be new to Scouting or be currently registered in a unit and applying to multiple in a different unit than the one in which they are currently registered. This system is not designed to register non-paying adult positions, position changes in the same unit, or youth or adult renewals." Since it didn't say it wasn't for transfers I was hoping the "multiple" part would cover them. Our Pack used the system successfully for new Tigers, but since 90+% of new scouts for our Troop are either transferring from Webelos or another troop it is effectively useless to us. This is disappointing but I guess not surprising given BSA's track record with technology.
  15. Has anyone used the online application in my.scouting to enroll Webelos who are crossing over? We are just starting to use the online application, and the first parent who tried to register said she received a message saying that he is registered already and if they need or want to transfer, they need to contact the scout master. When I check Application Manager I don't see anything indicating someone is trying to join the troop. My second question is whether folks using the online application find it easier, harder, or neutral to use compared to old fashioned paper applications. Thanks,
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