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  1. 7 points
    What we have here is a great opportunity for BSA to correct a bad branding decision. Who are Scouts BSA? The public doesn't know. It has no history, no identity. You have to explain it, and it goes something like this: "Oh, that is the program for young people age 11 to 18 that used to be called 'Boy Scouts.' It's just a name change for that program. The umbrella organization is still the Boy Scouts of America. The point is, it's really Boy Scouts, just with a new name . . . " Huh? What? You lost me at "program." If you stop calling the program "Boy Scouts," you're giving up more than a century of goodwill and American lore surrounding that program. The girls interested in joining aren't lobbying to join "Scouts BSA." They want the Boy Scout program. The program that is 118 years old. The program with the historic and highly regarded Eagle Scout rank. The one where you help little old ladies across the street and tie knots and go backpacking and climbing and shooting. The demanding program. They want to be "Boy Scouts," because that name -- those two words together -- has an iconic meaning that is separate and independent from the words themselves; and that meaning has nothing to do with gender. Because of what that name really means, girls don't care if they will be called Boy Scouts. They want to be Boy Scouts. If they had any qualms about that name, they'd join Girl Scouts. BSA can and should use this lawsuit as cover for changing its mind and going back to the "Boy Scout" brand for its flagship program. Dan Kurtenbach Fairfax, VA
  2. 6 points
    WORCESTER ,MA – Boy Scout Troop 54, founded in 1915, has the distinction of being one of the oldest continuous troops in the United States. But, it may also hold claim to another remarkable accomplishment. This weekend the troop based out of Epworth United Methodist Church at 64 Salisbury St. is embarking on a campout marking the 120th consecutive month of at least one overnight campout. While camping is somewhat synonymous with scouting, ten consecutive years of monthly campouts is a rare feat. Scoutmaster Joshua Froimson said there are no statistics kept on scouting camping trips. The most that Boy Scouts of America asks is if a troop goes camping at least 10 times a year. For that, a troop receives a Journey to Excellence Gold award. But, he has scoured the internet and has not found any troop in the country that has camped out as often and as long as Troop 54. ... Mr. Froimson said probably one of the key things scouts learn from camping is to plan and lead. “Especially going on a backpacking trip, there’s no opportunity to go to a store and pick up things you forgot. You have to learn to think through everything you will be doing and picture all the things you need to do them,” he explained. “That’s something you need to do in life as well.” More at source link. If there is a Mrs. Froimson, her opinion was not reported. https://www.telegram.com/news/20181129/boy-scout-troop-54-heading-to-connecticut-this-weekend-may-hold-campout-record
  3. 5 points
    My recollection of Scouting/USA , "boy" was removed as it was considered a slur to the minority males being recruited. I did some wiki research and found more. (I had forgotten? ) Scouting/USA was a "communicative name" chosen by the Boy Scouts of America in 1971 in an effort to rebrand itself.[1][2] The Scouting/USA symbol was unveiled at its biennial National Council meeting. [3] The organization retained the name Boy Scouts of America as its legal name, but planned to use the new name on literature, billboards, insignia, business cards and stationery and for most other promotional material.[1] They abandoned this effort by 1980. With the inclusion of girls in the Exploring, and in an effort to appeal to underserved communities (i.e. Latino, African Americans, Asian Americans, Native Americans, and Native Hawaiians) the national headquarters said, "The word 'boy' is objectionable to minorities, our young adult (male and female) leaders and naturally to the young women enrolled in our coed Exploring program."[1][5] Additionally, the rebranding was meant to identify the organization with the country it worked in, the United States, rather than a continent, America; and be inclusive of all of its programs Cub Scouts, Boy Scouts, and Exploring.[1][6] Despite some reservations among its members and the community, the BSA went ahead with the rebranding. "Forward Together/Scouting USA" became the theme of the 1977 National Scout Jamboree.[7] The BSA also tried to reinforce this by emphasizing that everyone in Scouting should be moving forward together.[8] ... The Girl Scouts were not happy as reported in Feb 23,1977 by New York Times. “The identity of Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts is pretty firmly fixed in the minds of Americans,” a spokesman for the Girl Scouts of the United States of America said. “Nov if you use just the term ‘Scouting,’ people might think it's one big organization, and that ain't so.” The spokesman said that the concern of the Girl Scouts was that contribuitions and other support for the girls might diminish. “People may think that if they give to ‘Scouting’ that's taking care of the girls,” the spokesman said, But that won't be the case.” Executives and lawyers of the Girl Scouts had tried to talk the Boy Scouts of America out of using the new name, but to no avail, the spokesman said. The spokesman for Scouting/USA said the name change had been under study for seven years. There was some internal opposition, he said, but three years ago the national board gave its approval by a vote of 70 to 1. Leaders with the GSUSA accused the BSA of chauvinism, moving forward with the name change without consideration to how it would affect the girls.[4] The GSUSA also claimed that the public would assume that GSUSA was a part of Scouting/USA, which it was not.[4][10] Pittsburgh Press March 20, 1977 https://www.newspapers.com/clip/18039971/scoutingusa_response/ Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it - George Santayana It's like deja vu all over again - Yogi Berra
  4. 5 points
    I guess I have a different view of leadership than the man who voted no for this Scout. IMHO, if a leader isn't getting dirty working on a small scale project (like Eagle projects are), he's not using his resources (including himself) wisely.
  5. 4 points
    I have often bragged that my dad was a 16 year old SM. It was the middle of WWII and there weren’t any male adults around to lead. My dad worked a deal with my grandpa that if he would sign all the paperwork, my dad would do the rest. And he wasn’t the only one, I met another adult who was a 16 year old SM of a troop that couldn’t find a volunteer in their small town. He was one of the best trainers I’ve ever worked with. Maybe we adults are making this Scouting stuff too hard. Barry
  6. 4 points
    These days this violation is relatively minor. Plus, youth are affected by societal changes. States are legalizing. Current culture openly shows contempt. Youth are bound to be caught up in these changes. I find it hard to blame him any more than a 1950s youth that experimented with smoking when he comes from a home where a mom and dad smoke. Generally, I think your focus is wrong. If he is a member of your troop, he deserves the right to have an advancement path forward. That's part of being a member and one of the core scouting tools. We as leaders do not lay in the weeds waiting for the youth to reach a milestone that we will not let them pass. Either address the issue now or let it go. Like all good discipline, timeliness is key. If you don't feel like you can handle it now, then I'd question if it really is an issue to be handled in scouting. For me and mine, I think this is more a membership question and a question of the health of the troop. Will he bring this into the troop? Will he expose this other kids? Will other kids avoid the troop? Will other parents view the troop as a risk for their kids?
  7. 4 points
    Wanted to give an update, especially since @CodyMiller351 posted about a problem Scouter and this may help him out. My boys and I leaving was indeed the catalyst for the troop's core adults to start fixing things. Even the COR got involved as he heard grumblings from the Scouts about too many adults at the BORs he conducted. The core adults know why I actually left, and not the polite reason I am giving everyone, which is indeed true, but not the complete reason. And they too have heard some grumblings from the youth. The core adults met, discussed the issue, and came out with some rules to not only limit the number of adults on a camp out, but also limit the number of adults that can interfere with a patrol. Basically there are 2 adults assigned to each patrol. Not perfect IMHO, but it is an improvement. New adults must be on the committee for a minimum of a year and complete troop committee training before the end of their first year in order to continue in that role. In order to be an ASM you must be on the committee, complete troop committee training, complete SM and ASM Specific Training, complete ItOLS , AND there has to be an opening ASM position. Exception to this is the 18-20 year old ASMs since that cannot serve on the committee until 21. They then went to the COR, who has heard some grumblings from the Scouts on this matter. Again when he found out my boys and I left over this issue, I think it was a wakeup call for him. COR approved the changes. When it was announced, there were a lot of grumblings from two families, and a parents' meeting has been requested to go over this. These folks do not understand how the COR got involved, and think it is the core leadership singling them out. They do not understand how their actions are hurting not only their sons' experiences, but everyone else's. While I am glad the changes are finally happening, I wish it would have come a lot earlier. I am praying for the troop's success in this matter.
  8. 4 points
    Just for clarification. It was council members plus volunteers who conducted the EBoR. The gentleman who brought the paper to be signed was one of the members on my son's board, and there was an apology made for causing him anxiety and stress.
  9. 4 points
    Thought the video and accompanying document were well done. I like the fact that the BSA continues to take the high road and remain positive about all other organizations, including the GSUSA. There have been a lot of negative things thrown at the BSA from their leadership and Board, but at least from our side, nothing but positive talk. Good to see us stick by the Oath and Law on this one. Regardless of name, the girls who are really excited to join in February 2019, will likely join no matter what. They are looking for the program and I think they are pretty savvy consumers. Many girls in Venturing are proud to call themselves “Scouts”, even sometimes “Boy Scouts”. It’s really all about the program.
  10. 4 points
    The Short list: My mom's sister, who gave me my 1st Cub Scout uniform for Christmas. Best scout I ever knew: aged out at 2nd class. Recruited me into his troop. Was APL, then PL. My Webelos DL, who took us out and taught us to shoot his 38 special. The SPL who patiently showed me how to start a fire from coals when we were the first people up in the morning. My Jamboree SM. First time I ever knew an SM could be so young ... excited to get back to his wife and baby. The Jamboree ASMs. Guys who always were there for everyone. My oldest brother. Some of whose gear I've appropriated to this day. My other brother, who's bow and arrow I "borrowed" until I could master marksmanship. My other brother, who had all the tales of what not to do with your equipment! Fuzzy. (No, I didn't forget his name. That's what everyone called him when they weren't calling him professor.) The most talented guy in town. He made patches for our camporees. Challenged us to find Hawkweed on a scavenger hunt. Knew every musical instrument known to man. His wife had the best sense of humor (necessarily). Scout sisters, one of whom wrote a poem for the program on my Eagle ceremony. SM SM's sister Green Bar Bill via his Boy's Life Articles. The SMs and Coaches of my kids. My councils venturing officers committee. Whoever paid for my oldest Aunt to go to Campfire Girl summer camp during the depression era. It takes a village to raise a scouter.
  11. 3 points
    We had a scout arrested on a Friday right before an outing for trespassing into a closed factory. Obviously he missed that outing, what with being in jail and all. Scout was a Life Scout, this was his first offense, the legal system worked the issue. He had been and continued to be an active scout. The Scout did seem to gain lessons from the arrest. During the Eagle SM conference the issue was discussed, what he had learned from the arrest, what he would have changed and what he needed to take forward from the incident. IMHO - Key is you as the SM may need to have the conversation with the Scout. Is he upset he got caught or he does he realize that the path he may have (is) on from a long term perspective is bad. Kids make bad decisions. Do they grow and learn is the take away from this. If he is just giving lip service to change and growth, your options may be clear. If he has matured and realized that he needs to shape up, move forward, and effect change; that is sort of what we are going for in Scouting. Maybe don't let one issue define him.
  12. 3 points
    I've lurked here for several years but just recently decided to actually engage. I'm an ASM in a troop in Texas. Personal interests in conservation and STEM fields lead me to encourage boys to look at BSA's Hornaday program and Nova program. Few do. I still try... I'm MBC for several merit badges and a Supernova mentor. Also a LNT trainer.
  13. 3 points
    19, eh? Props and a Scout salute to you! I was once an ASM for a brand new troop at that age. SM was a good guy but knew nothing about scouting. So I pretty much ran the whole show while he did the paperwork. As others have pointed out, being young gives you a closer bond with the scouts than is possible with us old folks. They will look up to you and copy you. ( scared yet?) The down side is that some of the older adults have a hard time seeing you as an adult. I said things as a 20 year old to some 40 year old parents and was completely blown off. I say the exact same thing now and they say " Yes sir". Grey hair does have some advantages after all. Shouldn't be that way but it is. So talk to the other leaders, explain to them your vision of what the troop should be, and how it's going to get there. Get them on your, that is to say scoutings, side. If all of them politely tell the difficult parent "That's not how we roll here" it's probably going to be easier for him to accept than just coming from you.
  14. 3 points
    That changes my understanding. First of all, a big round of applause for taking this on. Second, getting Grandpaw to help with this guy is a good idea. And any other adults. Third, officially you're an adult but the scouts are going to see you as one of them. That's a big plus. Use this to your advantage. You love backpacking and these scouts are looking up to you. So go backpacking. It doesn't all have to be long hikes. And some campouts that require all food to be cooked in dutch ovens will make for a fun break. As long as you look out for them and throw some fun things in the mix go ahead and challenge them. Something else you might not realize but now is a really important time to start looking for webelos bridging over. If you could get 4 more scouts in February that would be awesome. I have no idea what's going on with the pack that was at your chartering organization. Anyway, it would be great to develop a relationship with a pack or two. Talk to your scouts about how important this is and see if you can get them to help with some dens. Be Den Chiefs. Invite them camping with you. Den leaders are burned out by now so reaching out to them will be greatly appreciated. One thing about being the SM is having a vision of what the troop is about. Sharing that with everyone helps keep everyone on the same page and also is a great way to sell your troop to packs. Ask Grandpaw to help with this. We can also help.
  15. 3 points
    If you're in that position, then he is in no position to dictate any of this. Don't wait to sit down with him because it will happen again otherwise. Talk it over ASAP and explain the problems and what the solutions will be. Ideally, you work as a team. Wishing you well.
  16. 3 points
    I know what you mean but here is a photo of a uniform from the mid-1970s.
  17. 3 points
    I thought it useful to go back to the Guide to Advancement.
  18. 3 points
    Earlier this week there was a picture posted on the town middle school FB page showing a class of 8th grade boys and girls cooking outside. I emailed the teacher and this is what I found out. I KNOW there is the interest with the kids now for sure I just want to get to them to talk about Scouts. I asked if he thought there might be interest with those girls in starting a Troop since we have nothing anywhere close. They are for sure not doing Girl Scout stuff. Anyway they teach is a coach and asked that I let him finish football for this year and he wants to meet to talk about possibilities.
  19. 3 points
    Thank you all for your input and advice. I have been following the thread, but unable to comment until this morning. Last night my son received a call from the district leader, who it turns out was the gentleman who told us to appeal. He told my son that even though in the original meeting they did not have a unanimous decision, there was another meeting where they went over his qualifications and reviewed his project again. This time he was approved. He is now an Eagle in waiting. He was told that the papers will be sent to National as soon as they get a signature from him due to it being a different date that his original BoR date. I didn't know they could do that, but I'm not about to look a gift horse in the mouth. 😊 Thank you for all of your help. He was making notes from your comments and was drafting his appeal using your advice when he got the call. He, and I, appreciate it very much.
  20. 3 points
    Welcome to the campfire @JohnMiller I agree with your comment for people to consider when and how they will use the tent, but I have to disagree with the rest of your recommendation. Telling people to only camp when the weather forecast is sunny is a disservice - not only will that limit the amount of time they even consider going out, but it will leave them unprepared if they do encounter weather. Much better to help them understand their equipment and recommend a tent that will keep them safe (dry == warm and not hypothermic). In that regard, I would recommend them a tent with a full rain fly and teach that they can leave the doors open, or take the rain fly off while the weather is nice. And to that end, I could never in good conscious recommend a Coleman (or Ozark Trail or Wenzel) brand tent. The only advantage they have is that they are cheap you can pick them up on a moment notice at any big-box store. In my experience their quality is on-par with their price (low) and they fail on the one feature that I look for in a tent - how well does it protect me against the elements. While it will cost a little more, there are entry-level brands such as Alps Mountaineering that offer tents in comparable sizes that not only perform better in the weather but are backed by outstanding customer service. Better performance will result in more comfort and a better overall experience - that is what will keep them coming back. Just my $0.02 worth
  21. 3 points
    Possibly Bourbon may be a good example If it is produced in the USA, made from a grain mixture that is at least 51% corn, aged in new, charred oak containers, distilled to no more than 160 (U.S.) proof (80% alcohol by volume), entered into the barrel for aging at no more than 125 proof (62.5% alcohol by volume), bottled (like other whiskeys) at 80 proof or more (40% alcohol by volume) it can be called Bourbon. Do the same thing in Canada, guess it is called whiskey. It's all in the name though the product is or could be identical Also as this suit may drag on, the use of bourbon (or whiskey) may help many of us endure.
  22. 3 points
    This was in the recent Scouting Wire: https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2018/11/07/an-eagle-scout-board-of-review-isnt-a-job-interview-its-a-celebration/?utm_source=scoutingwire&utm_campaign=swvolunteer11142018&utm_medium=email&utm_content=B And...
  23. 3 points
    First - lots of adult drama seems to be in play, but let's power through that Scouts are the best recruits for Scouts. The best way to get boys who are not involved is PROGRAM. Not advancement, not meetings, not citizenship, etc etc, it's PROGRAM. Get your 3 active scouts to clearly set a calendar of OUTDOOR PROGRAMMING. That is the selling point for other boys to engage, what will THEY be doing, what is in it for them. Go Do Stuff. Get the dates set and get a plan to go do things. Not sure where you are but that is what will get the boys to show up. Canoeing, kayaking. hiking, wide games, biking, etc etc. PROGRAM brings in Scouts. The other key items like advancement, citizenship, and leadership can be built once you get them engaged
  24. 3 points
    I wonder if there's not a couple of things going on these days. First, I think there are a lot of folks that knew or remember how the Vietnam vets were treated when they came home. There's some desire, at least in some parts of society, to make up for that societal disgrace. It can't be taken back, but, a different attitude can be shown moving forward. I think the second thing that's happening is we're now what 40 years into the all volunteer force. There are two generations of citizens that realize they didn't even have to consider serving. I wonder if some folks are coming to terms with that reality. OEF/OIF are the first sustained, on-tv-every-night operations in a generation. The idea of military service is in their living rooms again. I figure when people say thanks for your service, they aren't talking to me, I'm just a guy that represents all vets, at that moment, to that person. It's uncomfortable because I know where I belong in hierarchy. But, I try to be gracious and then take a few minutes to remember and be grateful myself.
  25. 3 points
    benefit of skits and such is it helps some kids get used to performing in front of others, also helps the shy kids who are always in the background to break out of their shell a bit, scouting shouldn't be all about skits, but skits and performing is 1 element that should be explored,
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