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  1. 10 points
    Well, that's sort of where I am going with this, and I do not think the "gender correlation" is anywhere near 100% - or more to the point, is not likely to be anywhere near 100% with the girls who are going to join the Cub Scouts or the Whatever (11-17) Scouts. Boys (and girls) are already pretty different just within their own genders. Some are much more athletic than others (and everything in between.) Same thing with their enthusiasm for different parts of the program. (I have seen boys who actually liked the Eagle-required "homework-badges", and liked camping and hiking and backpacking a little less - and vice versa, of course. I will never forget the kid who, at age 15 or so, brought the book "C++ for Dummies" on a camping trip, which I thought was hilarious.) Same thing with their interest in being leaders. (My son was never interested in being THE leader, either as PL or SPL. He was an APL and then his POR's were Den Chief and then Instructor. But there were times he was thrust into being the acting PL or ASPL, and 2 or 3 times, acting SPL, and in my unbiased opinion (ha ha) he did a great job. I thought he was a "natural" leader - he just wasn't that interested in leading.) Same thing with every other part of being a Scout. Girls have the same differences among themselves, although one might speculate that the "average" girl who decides to join the BSA might be more enthusiastic about the more strenuous outdoor activities, and might in general be a little "bolder" (perhaps even "tougher") than the "average" girl in general. Even if one accepts that the "average boy" is different from the "average girl" (and I do), I think that if everybody calms down and just sees what happens, the transition will be smoother - and the pressure to "adjust" or "modify" the "program" will be less - than a lot of people here expect.
  2. 5 points
    The short answer of course is the same thing that would happen any time you don't have enough adults to conduct an activity --- you either find them or you don't conduct the activity. 1) This seems the least likely and the easiest to avoid or correct. You don't really need a female scouter, you need an adult female who has taken YPT. I don't think I've ever been at a meeting where there wasn't at least one adult female; troops will probably need to get more women to take YPT, but that's a 45 minute online class --- hardly a difficult ask. 2) This one will be harder, but we've had occasional weekends when we couldn't go because we didn't have enough adults; when that happens you just don't go. 3) Harder certainly, but since this is a once a year phenomenon scheduled months in advance it really shouldn't be that difficult. Parents who want their kids to experience scouting are going to make the sacrifices necessary to enable them to experience scouting, that's what happens today. Parents who want their daughters to experience scouting will probably be self selecting as a group willing to make a bit of extra sacrifice to make that happen.
  3. 5 points
    Wasn't sure where to share this. Open Discussion it is. Useful as a skit, or an intro for an award night? Apologies to Dos Equis,,,, The Most Interesting Scouter He named his daughters “Powell “ and “Baden”…. When he went to Philmont, he gave the Tooth of Time a root canal…. His Scout Law has 14 points…. He is… The Most Interesting Scouter….. “I do not always go camping, but when I do, I go to ((insert camp name))” . “Stay Scouty, my friend”. He has a whole Totin, not merely a Chip. His “Good” Turn is really “Better”, and usually “Best”. Do not ask about his … “Bug Juice”. There are never any flies on his table. You will never know if he “Left No Trace”. The Big Dipper points to HIM. His “Bear Bag” really holds one. He went to “WOOD Badge”, not “WON’T Badge”. He once hiked the whole of the AT, because he had a cancelation in his schedule. He is…… The Most Interesting Scouter. “I do not always go camping, but when I do, I go to ((insert camp name here))”. “Stay Scouty, my friend”. When he pitches his tent, it is a “no hitter” . Someone once asked him what that “Square Knot” on his uniform was, and he told them. He has never said, ”follow me boys”, but they do, anyway. When he was a Webelos, he made his arrow ONLY out of light. At summer camp, he receives letters from YOUR family. When he starts a fire, he doesn’t need tinder or anything else. His fire wood knows what to do. Bears stay downwind of HIM. Mosquitoes do not bite him out of fear and respect. If you can see him, you are in his “blood circle”. At the evening campfire, no matter where he sits, the smoke curls AROUND him, and follows somebody else. When he holds up HIS Scout Sign, crickets become silent. His local restaurant put “Aluminum Foil Dinner” on their menu, just for him.
  4. 4 points
    One of our new scouts thought KP and the 3 pot method was hazing. The SPL looked at him and said work is not hazing, if they did decide to haze him it would involve a good bit of orientation and training his part, you can't expect to fully appreciate hazing unless you have been properly trained. The SPL has a future in corporate America
  5. 4 points
    We are the results of our choices. Trust lost must be re-earned. Your manfriend (he isn't a "boy", is he?) is not family , yet. He shows much maturity by his patience. He should sign up in my dot scouting dot com and take the Youth Protection Training. I assume you have already, if you were a Den Leader. He will be accepted in the Scout "family" by his willingness to put the Scout's needs and activities first. It will come, but as has been said, right now , he is not "family" per Scout definition, but he is your "guest". Smile alot, accept the ignorance of others as something you may not change immediately. Educate them with your actions and forgive them their lack of tolerance (which is not the same as "intolerance", yes?) . Your comparison of your manfriend's history with that of others (small town, gossip, etc.) is understandable and IMO should not be stooped to in your efforts to have your son's Scout career include his new adult friend. Good Scouting to the three of you. See you on the trail.
  6. 4 points
    Wendy Shaw, National's Membership Growth Group Director gave the keynote speech and taught a seminar at our UoS this weekend. The keynote was the usual "rah-rah" stuff: Positive media attention (which means little in region where for forty years, press releases usually came in advance of pink slips), Girls dens were growing, some additional boys joined because their sisters were having fun in a den, some dads participated more since the kids shared the activity, ... the usual rose-colored anecdotes. The seminar was more interesting as it focused on the challenges facing troop program rollout on Feb 1. For your edification, I'm sharing my notes, some of which we've hashed out already, but might help us understand what the pros are and are not getting ... Advancement challenges Rogue troops (my term, not hers): how to tell a girl "no" when someone told her "yes"? Eagle scout rank being rushed by 16 year-olds. How to keep it "about the journey, not the destination?" This got a lot of scouters in the room talking, because the girls they knew weren't giving two hoots about advancement. Meanwhile, national is getting inquiries from such girls. The current thinking is that local advancement folks need to have this that conversation. I think the hope is that the best policies may trickle up from them. As far as the requirements themselves are concerned, internally the sentiment is unanimous to make no changes. Externally (i.e. In the media) people have no clue about advancement, so they will not understand why a scout may not be approved for rank. As far as scrutiny by girls: There is a lot of asking about eligibility for World Scout Jamboree, with blog posts by girls saying they can't wait to come. Packs are concerned, each might have one or two AoLs but in sparse districts, a CO might not get the numbers to field a troop. (At this point, I leaned on our council membership pro about a plan to do "girl talks" in those districts' middle schools.) Linked-Troop Besides the common CO, they will share the troop #, and may share COR, MCs, ASMs, but not SMs. I asked, and yes the linked troop will pay a separate rechartering fee. Why this arrangement? The ostensible concern is over youth leadership opportunities. They were very concerned that boys will leave a fully co-Ed unit. However, national won't police troops as to their compliance with "separate but equal" meetings and activities. That will be up to council (I guess through that ubiquitous commissioner corps?). Depth Where a female youth is present, one registered female adult will be required at all activities and meetings of packs, troops, and crews. I interjected, "You do realize that you just killed Venturing?" She didn't disagree. The real problem (not unlike what some of you experienced in the 90s) is that only 2% of trained ASMs/SMs are female. If growth surpasses training, we will be in the same jam as Scouts UK was. Things that aren't changing: The organization remains Boy Scouts of America. The magazine is Boy's Life. Den Chiefs ... actually more venturers have started to fill those positions in the pilot packs. Handbook - girls like the content, The next edition may have more images of girls, but the layout remains the same. O/A will continue to have only one lodge per council. As far as the specific name for troops of female youth, she said they are still taking suggestions. I used "BSA4G" and she was taken aback. I explained, and I think she liked the sound of it. But it clearly shows she's not reading this forum. I'll try to send a link her way. Those are my notes. Hope they help.
  7. 4 points
    I'm totally just wandering by to show off my boys' updated merit badge sashes, 11 year old's is on the right, 13 year old's is on the left. My 13 y.o.did his family project for Family life and has his chore log done. It's been months and months but he's getting there. 11 y.o. is/was having difficulty for swimming, getting down to the bottom to pick up an object. He'll get there eventually. Proud mama!
  8. 4 points
    from a different perspective, at least some of the general public sees "being a boy scout" as a person who makes ethical decisions.
  9. 4 points
    I'm just glad the fingers are there to heal! It's no picnic though. I took myself off the opioid faster than the surgeon recommended, but that stuff scares me. I lost a cousin to an overdose a few years back. As near as I can figure it, I have about 40,000 hours on power tools. You would think I woukd know how to stay safe by now. As for the boys getting on my case, I think it shows they like me. I have been teaching them tree felling and cutting techniques from the old green and brown field books. while admonishing them to be safe. So they are just delighted to pay me back in my own coin.
  10. 3 points
    The idea behind this isn't to change the program to meet the needs of girls - the idea behind this is to open the program to girls who want to experience the program the BSA has as it already is. If we gain 100K girls without "changing the program to meet the needs of girls", aren't we, in fact, actually meeting the needs of 100K girls that the GS were not meeting the needs of? I consider those arguments from the Girl Scouts spokesperson to be specious at best.
  11. 3 points
    Parents who want to shield their children from any failure or negative impact on their feelings.
  12. 3 points
    Corporal punishment of a card? I once saw an egregious example of corporal punishment of a rope. They gave it a real lashing.
  13. 3 points
    Specific actions may or may not be hazing depending on context, intent and other factors. Is having a scout do push-ups hazing? If it is in context of encouraging physical fitness, probably not. Making a first year scout do push-ups to get his breakfast, yes. I may not be able to define it; but I know it when I see it.
  14. 3 points
    If you have the clout, go for the District Commissioner. I personally believe the DC is most power person in the district and has the most leverage with council. Besides other advantages, the DC can control the training and training materials. I believe (I know) training is the fastest avenue for making broad changes through the units. The DC was my goal for taking over the world, bru ha ha ha. By the time I was asked, I was so burned out that I declined. I know, but just the possibility that the person at the other end of my ringing phone was someone wanting to talk scout business nauseated me. And, that is why you haven't seen the world change for the better. Barry
  15. 3 points
    That will be the next battleground surely. A young lady wants to join a troop but there is no "linked" troop at the CO she wants to join...so what to do. There may be one nearby, but she wants to to join this organization because it meets her meeting needs, better outdoor, etc etc. Cue the news trucks to be sitting in front of a meeting, cue the hand wringing as females are not being given the same opportunities, cue the faux outrage at the intolerant leaders who do not want to start a linked troop thereby denying the young lady equal access It will literally be a 3 ring circus right there is the CO's parking lot
  16. 3 points
    I fear much written here does not reflect the comments I hear from active members. The one point that I will fully and enthusiastically agree with is that we have way too much focus on advancement. Advancement is important as a motivation, but it's just one part of the program. The outings and activities are more important. From the outings, advancement should be a natural result of actively going on outings. In recent years, I've seen multiple youth aging out going for Eagle that need help fulfilling their camping requirements. This always baffles me as the best parts of scouting are in the outings. In my opinion, why even be in scouts if you don't do the outings. Meetings may be fun, but it's the activities and events that provide value. If you are active, then it should be easy to get many many nights of camping.
  17. 3 points
    No. If it was required to be an official scouting activity, it would say something such as what camping says "at designated scouting activities or events". Same with any other MB requirement. Trust and verify. Picture. Who was with you? Let me talk to them. etc. etc. etc.
  18. 3 points
    I think rain checks my schedule too... so it can rain.
  19. 3 points
  20. 3 points
    So . . . I am one of the newbies interested in BSA4G. Why? Because my daughter has compared the Boy Scout handbook with the various "Girls Guides to Girl Scouting" and GSUSA "Journeys" and she wants to switch. (And I agree with her opinion.) While I want the girls to have a better program than they do now, I certainly don't want to diminish the boys' experience. I see the place for a single-gender male environment (and one for a single gender female environment also). And it's not like the sixth grade girls actually want to have anything to do with the sixth grade boys, they'd rather have their own group -- just doing the same program the boys do but without the boys. So, it would be great to have a truly singer-gender BSA4G troop, meeting and camping completely separately from the boys. But, the idea of getting a new troop off the ground is daunting, especially for someone new to the whole program. I've been thinking that it sure would be easier and more realistic to get a BSA4G troop started if it were closely linked to an existing troop, even to the extent of a significant amount of shared activities, even though my natural preference would be for a girls-only environment. That is where some of you oldtimers, who have scoutmaster experience, and who want to maintain the single-gender environment for the boys, could be really helpful. Volunteer to help with a new BSA4G troop -- in order to keep the troop really separate from the boys' troop. (And if you are of a grandfatherly age, so much the better. The girls' moms will be more at ease with you in troop leadership that if you were twenty-something.)
  21. 3 points
    The program has become quite complicated. Another proposal I would personally suggest from my experiences in scouting is stop the den group crossovers and start sending boys to the troops by age or completion of Webelos rank requirements. This would end the need for NSPs and Troop Guides. Crossovers by dens became a tradition when National concluded that NSPs would help first year scout membership dropouts because the scouts are joining with their friends and feel more confident in the group. NSPs and Troop Guides add a heavy burden on the boy run structure that is both difficult to manage in a patrol method program, and shifts leadership management of new scouts from the patrol level to the troop level. More often than not, the added effort is taken over by the adults. I was told that the first year scout drop out rate was the same after 20 of implementing the NSP. So, what is the point? By bringing new scouts in smaller numbers, they will be given to patrols where the patrol members managed the new scouts at the patrol level. I don't have numbers, but I'm guessing it would reduce troop workload a minimum of 25% at both the youth and adult levels. Of course the patrols would have to relearn how to be more active in new scout growth, but that responsibility is positive behavior growth for all the scouts in the patrol. There are many other benefits, but I'm sure this suggestion will not be received with much applause. Barry
  22. 3 points
    I have two shirts in my closet with West knots. One for me and one for my wife. Are you all seriously going to troll a family that gives to Scouting? We decided to do it while we were in our 30's so we could see what the council does with the interest (the part they get to spend) for 30+ years. We don't make bank at all. We made a choice to do a Payment plan for them and sacrifice a little to help grow the endowment fund to ensure a future of Scouting. Like the great leaders I had before me, and the people who donated before them.... Where in the Scout law is it to be turds to the people that support the program with money? It's important. Most people give time. Most people give treasure. Some give talent. Some give 2 of those, few give all 3. I don't crap on any giving of any kind. We need more of all 3 of those.
  23. 3 points
    We aren’t just mourning the loss of a noble youth program originally intended to make boys into moral and ethical decision makers for the rest of their adult life, some of us are mourning our passion that seems to have no where to go. We have a lot of experience to hand down that doesn’t seem to apply much to the future BSA. Barry
  24. 3 points
    I see it a bit differently. The BSA is not defined by what it once was. It is defined by what it is now. We can all debate if the BSA has lost it's way. But it is what it is. We can choose to mourn the passing of what was or to figure out how to make the best way forward.
  25. 3 points
    I have finally found a few friends in Utah who know this situation personally, both on the side of the family and a few people working in the council (it helps being part of the tight-knit LDS community sometimes ), and it seems clear that his merit badges were never revoked, nor was his membership in any kind of jeopardy - these were all fabrications of his lawyers who didn't understand how the BSA works and wanted to generate press to evoke public sympathy. In reality, what happened was that his project was initially approved, but then rejected the next day so that his standing could be reviewed and his past accomplishments verified. It was never a permanent censure of the boy's progress or rank - it was intended to be a period when his status could be reviewed, understandable when you are told that a boy with the cognative ability of a 4 year-old has met the same requirements many 17 year-olds fail to achieve. But his merit badges were not revoked, now was his rank repealed. There was a LOT of miscomminication between the council and national, but even if no lawyers had ever been brought in, the situation would have eventually resolved itself. The parents over-reacted, and didn't understand the actions the BSA took - they thought their kid was being kicked out of the program, called their lawyers, accused the BSA of discriminatory practices, et cetera. They had a very difficult time understanding what was actually happening, and that their child would be able to continue moving forward - naturally, angry people take longer to have things explained to them, and much of it was information they were either unwilling or too impatient to hear. They wanted their son to get his Eagle immediately, and there was admittedly a sense of entitlement to it, as though wanting to earn Eagle should be enough to be rewarded with it. And their lawyers made things worse; they made their frustration feel justified and legally empowering, but without any grasp of what was actually going on with the boy's application in relation to BSA policy. They were woefully ignorant of how advancement in the BSA works, and came out with guns blazing to protest the whole program. The council did a very poor job explaining what was going on to the family, but bringing in legal counsel just made it worse. In the end though, it was legitimately "one big misunderstanding," and now (after much explaining, counsel, and investigation), the family has finally been made to understand that the BSA does offer many alternative routes for boys with disabilities (not alternative MB requirements mind you, only alternative badges themselves, along with specialized rank requirement alternatives), and the child will be allowed to continue to progress at his own pace - which would have happened anyway, had the council taken the time to explain things clearly, and had the family been patient and sought for help rather than legal action. Now, sadly, the BSA has to deal with all the negative press which could have been avoided entirely in the first place.
  26. 3 points
    He is still on probation with the courts. I think it is fair if the scout unit considers him to be on probation with them as well.
  27. 3 points
    Aaaaand, We planned a work session/ on site practice for Saturday. The forecast calls for 3-5 inches of wet snow mixed with sleet. Did i ever mention the Ordeal site is on the top of mountain ? ( although you westerners would call it a steep little hill. ) With narrow twisty roads. The next weekend is Conclave,, the next is the district Camporee. I think I should ask them to double my pay!
  28. 3 points
    Oh good, for a second there, I assumed the pain meds were making me see double in a weird vertical sort of way.
  29. 3 points
    Interesting comments. One of my traits of reasoning is I tend to look at the bigger pictures. What I see is that scouting did it to itself from a lot of bad decisions. I often wonder how today's parents would view the BSA if National had not made any major program changes since 1957? Over the years, since the 1960s anyways, sudden membership declines can be tracked following national level program changes. Not all membership declines were sudden. I believe some declines were the result of changes (Tigers/NSPs) that took a little longer to show a performance degradation of the overall program. When I look at the program differences between my youth experiences of the 60s and 70s compared to starting back as a scout leader in 1990, I can't think of a single change to the program over those years that was an improvement for my sons. When I watched and experienced the changes from 1990 through about 2010, I felt National was purposely trying to drive adult leaders to quit. The changes over those years increased the work load on the cub leaders and gradually turned troop leaders into baby sitters. I remember after seeing the changes to the Tiger program in 2000, several of us in the District Membership Committee predicted that troop membership would drop measurably in 2005. And it did. We weren't clairvoyant, we just reasoned that the membership drop we saw from Tiger program in 2000 would catch up to the troop membership five years later. Tigers feeds packs. Packs feed Troops. Troop membership is directly related to Cub membership. Can someone think of a Cub program change that resulted in long term growth? If National had done nothing to the program since 1957, how would we view the program today? The three leaders who started our troop ran it as close to the program we experienced in the 1960s and 70s as we possibly could within the limitations of program changes. Our troop of 17 scouts (11 crossovers, 5 older scouts) grew to a troop of over 100 scouts in six years. Forty Five percent of the scouts were 14 and older. We were not even close to the biggest troops in the council, but we had more older scouts than any unit (Crews Included) in the Council. That is nearly half the state of Oklahoma. Council noticed and tried very hard to convince us into creating a Venturing Crew. But we resisted by pointing out that our troop program model (1960s Patrol Method model) was the reason we were so successful. A Venturing Crew didn't fit in that model. My point of all this is to say that in my opinion, the declines aren't how National attempted to fix the hole, but are instead a result of National creating a lot of new holes from a series of bad decisions. Some here have said that people change. Population attitudes change. Still, I wonder if a 1957 BSA could be successful today? Barry
  30. 3 points
    But there are other things named Spirit of Adventure. I also don't think my council could simply drop "Council." If you google "Patriots Path" the majority of hits on the first page are about the hiking trail (which existed before the council did.) "Patriots Path Scouting"? I don't know. I don't see any benefit to it. Maybe they should just focus on the program and making this transition a smooth one, rather than the branding, but I guess that's just me.
  31. 3 points
    In Utah, by state law, it will not be a crime for parents to let their children play unsupervised in a park or walk home from school alone. Utah is the first state in the nation to pass such a law. A law to fill a void in common sense? “The fact that we need legislation for what was once considered common sense parenting a generation ago and is considered normal in every other country in the world is what surprises me,” said Danielle Meitiv, the Silver Spring, Md., mother who made national headlines three years ago after she and her husband were charged with child neglect for letting their two children, ages 6 and 10, walk home from a park by themselves. “I’m glad Utah has put these protections in place after what I discovered when I tried to parent the way I was parented.” https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/29/well/family/utah-passes-free-range-parenting-law.html Should the BSA be a proponent of a similar law in the other 49 states? Thank you Ms. Meitiv.
  32. 3 points
    Why? So they can promote him?
  33. 3 points
    Speaking of adventure, The one story the scouts of today can't believe is true is when I tell them about the time four scouts hiked 50 miles on the Appalachian Trail in 5 days and 4 night's without an adult.
  34. 3 points
    Isn't that sort of what we do in the BSA? Let youth make decisions and bear the consequences of those decisions?
  35. 3 points
    Last winter at our Klondike Derby I was visiting another Troop sitting around the campfire after dinner and one of the younger Scouts asked if I could tell stories of the old old days because I was the oldest person in Camp. Started to protest that I wasn't and then I realized that I was. Because everyone older, and wiser, than me had gone home to sleep in their warm bed instead of camping out in the snow. Sometimes it's hard to remember how many years have gone by and I wonder if I can tell the stories of the egg and the big bull, or the gasoline and the burning Arrow, or the out of control covered wagon that went crashing thru another troops campsite? I mean its not as if we actually aimed at the scoutmasters tent! ' We swore a solemn oath not to tell anyone but after almost half a century?
  36. 3 points
    Hi guys/girls, I am new to this forum. I am in Scotland and have 1 daughter, 6yr old Charlotte who attends Brownies here, I am one of the assistants at that group and really enjoy volunteering there :).
  37. 3 points
    I never did report back on the Court of Honor! I went with the white NESA neckerchief which was PERFECT, since it was nice enough to look spiffy (white on tan/green = VERY classy!), but not the same as the blue neckers the boys were awarded that day. It looked great, it didn't draw attention from the boys being honored, and it was in all a lovely gift from the Scout and his family that gave it to me. I did have to stifle a few laughs during the ceremony though; each boy had a moment when his old neckerchief was removed as our COR attempted to place the new blue Eagle necker over their collars ... with hysterical results. They tried flipping the neckers in the air a few times and then loosely tying them in a knot (they had slides there mind you!), and they ended up looking like little blue tableclothes strewn haphazardly over their shoulders with big bows in front. By the last two attempts (there were 5 boys) they did get them looking half-decent, but it was still both humorous and painful to watch the whole thing unfold (ha ha). I think I need to train our leadership on how to wear the neckerchief properly; I admit I am a bit OCD about getting mine to look just right, but since I am the ONLY leader who regularly wears them, I think it would at least be worthwhile to teach the others how to neatly put the neckerchief on somebody else.
  38. 3 points
    I can sympathize with your situation. I can also understand why you and he want to be active in this aspect of your scout's life. But, let's keep in mind that scouting is not for us. It isn't for the adults or the parents or our close loved-ones. It is for the kids and there may be, and will be circumstances where we do things for the kids that may either disadvantage the adults or otherwise not be in the adults best interests. If you and your boyfriend feel this strongly about him being an attending adult in activities then I encourage you to do two things. 1. Have him register as an adult volunteer. 2. Have him request an expungement and/or a pardon. This could a strong life lesson for your scout as well as other scouts in the unit. Demonstrate that he is taking the steps to correct his prior transgressions and that he is willing to do the hard work necessary to be an active member of the unit. Lastly, this isn't about what the other adults do in their personal time or what they might be guilty of. This is and should be about your boyfriend "doing his best" to be the best role model he can be to your scout and if that means his involvement is limited due to past behavior (even past behavior that might otherwise be legal today in some states), then what better way to illustrate that actions have consequences and that sometimes life is not fair. How the two of you respond to this situation can either be an exceptional opportunity for growth or an exceptional opportunity to create resentment.
  39. 2 points
    Your son is being picked on by an adult. I would drop all of the other issues and focus on that.
  40. 2 points
    Sometimes adults don't realize they are a source of friction. If the CM is a friend, you may be able to point that out. But, for your son ... In general, just like captains in sports or band and their need to get feedback from the coach/director, the PL relationship with the SM/ASM is paramount. We spend a lot of time coaching boys in relationships with adults (parents, MB counselors, Rangers, etc ...). So when things aren't right, we need to know. Your son needs to review this with the SM and ASM. They are the ones trying to set a new tone, it's on them to guide both him and the CM in this new culture. Should the PL be playing catch while other guys are doing the chores he assigns? It depends on the skill of the boys doing the chores. If they need guidance, he may want to be there on top of it. If they seem like they have it under control, he may want to give them their space. Only he, the SPL/ASPL, and the SMs have a good sense of this.
  41. 2 points
    Actually I was grateful they changed it from Camper to Outdoorsman because LDS units like mine don't take Cub Scouts camping (we wait until they are 11 before we get into any program-organized camp outs). Many of my boys before felt odd getting a Camper award for participating in our day-long activities, so Outdoorsman fit the bill better. HOWEVER, "Outdoor Adventurer" is just getting absurd, and it runs into the same silly issue the Scouting Adventure activities encounter - the actual titles are ridiculous to say out-loud! "Hey there, what adventure are your boys working on this month?" "Why, the Scouting Adventure adventure!" "Is there an echo in here?" "And after that we are starting the Outdoor Adventurer adventure!" "There is is again!" Honestly I feel like an idiot repeating myself like this, and as a Webelos leader it happens constantly. They really needed to have an editor come in and look over the names of these adventures before putting out their ridiculous names.
  42. 2 points
    I had a hunch someone would try to compare pulling a Totin Chip until it could be re-earned with pulling rank. There is a major difference - Totin Chip is not a rank. The policies about once its earned it remains earned does not apply. Totin Chip confers a privilege - though I like your idea of just coaching them and moving on. I'd even suggest that Troops treat the Totin Chip like the Cyber Chip - let them expire every year - and have the Scouts re-earn them. Someone who earns it at 11 could surely use a refresher at 16. I also think that adults that are going to use knives, axes and saws in camp should earn the Totin Chip. It shouldn't be all that difficult and the adults will know the same "rules" as the Scouts - I've seen more adults than youth violate the "rules" taught in Totin Chip.
  43. 2 points
    Crust/cardboard on a frozen pizza...it tastes all the same.
  44. 2 points
    I wish I was a glow worm, a glow worms' never glum, 'cos how can you be gloomy when the sun shines out your bum?
  45. 2 points
    Most of our “pack meetings” are activities or outings. Cake bake, camp fire, PWD, Blue and Gold - pool party, camping outing, Bear Scout carnival, egg drop are 7 out of our 9 “pack meetings”. We also have activities in the summer but none of those are traditional meetings. So we have about two traditional meetings a year. One is the first meeting where we do the initial kickoff of the year including popcorn sales and the other is a standard meeting. This has worked for us and I cannot imagine having any meeting where we talk to parents. The CC owns dealing with the parents, pack meetings are for the scouts and Cubmaster.
  46. 2 points
    As a Webelos Den Leader, my duty and burdon is to ensure that every boy leaving my care enters his first Troop fully prepared to adapt to the Boy Scout program. Since the requirements of the Scouting Adventure adventure (ha ha ) and the rank of Scout are identical, every one of my boys should be able to earn his Scout rank within a week or two of crossing over. If not, that's my failing for not preparing him, not the Scout's. If I were to start looking for things the Troop could do for me, well, I would be out of luck - that's not their job. But I can make sure the boys they get from my Den are prepared to take on new responsabilities, equiped with a solid understanding of the program, and ready to begin contributing to their new unit. I also make sure parents grasp the differences between the Cub Scout program and the Boy Scout patrol method. I have a few hand-outs and flyers that I give to every boy a month before he crosses over which explain the differences, and I visit each family around that time to talk with all of them about the exciting new changes they will get to experience. When I can, I visit with their new Scoutmaster as well so the Scout and his family can make that connection personally in a friendly, comfortable setting. Transitioning from Cubs to a new Troop is a big deal, and families have a right to make that transition fully prepared with the resources, knowledge, and tools they'll need to fully embrace the changes. The smart Scouter knows that if boys enter the Troop ready to contribute and prepared for their new responsibilities, it makes the Troop itself stronger, and it only takes a few excited new Scouts to help revitalize even the most tired units.
  47. 2 points
    @CalicoPenn ... Your argument is repetitive.
  48. 2 points
    @FireStone, as a cub who always wondered if some of his awards were "railroaded" trough, I will say this with all due respect. Your pack's approach stinks. It is far better to know that you didn't accomplish something than spend a life wondering if someone pulled some strings for you instead of sitting down and showing you when an how you completed each step in the book. Even the "do your best" standard for each requirement wrankles. Son #2, great at soccer and swimming, was terrible at catching a ball. We tried a couple of tosses back and forth, and there were one or two where you could say the ball landed in his hands, maybe. And one or two throws back that came in my general direction. I called "you did your best" and signed off. He picks on me to this day about it. He would have rather we spent weeks wearing our shoulders raw until he was fit for the major leagues. That kid in a divided house ... do you think a fake award covers for his unenthusiastic parent? Does it help his parent like scouting more? When he gets to Boy Scouts and can't make rank quickly, possibly on account of his situation, will he be able to stick around? Or, will he think identity must be predicated on accomplishment because he never heard "You didn't earn Wolf this year, but that's okay. Please be a Bear with us next year, start fresh, and try to make that rank. No matter what, you are still one of us!" Your pack can do better for a boy than confound accomplishment with identity.
  49. 2 points
    Hi @ScottishNamoi, I am going to break my advice into two parts 1) to you as Mom and 2) to you as Brownie Assistant Leader 1) First, as a mom: we want to help our kids grow up and take or more and more responsibility for themselves in an age-appropriate way. Choosing one's own outdoor wraps is a great way to work on this for younger children. In general I think that age six is not too young to begin working towards the goal of the child independently and appropriately selecting her outerwear, and living uncomplainingly with the results. In a non-camp setting, for example if your children want to go play in the yard, in 35F degree weather, in the snow, in short sleeves, then you let them do this, and make no comment at all when they come back inside in 5 minutes to fetch coats and hats. (And if they don't come back in 10-15 minutes, you go out and check up on them. But if they are running around they might not be cold.) If the child will be away from home for several hours, then, at this age, I would insist she take her coat (maybe in a daypack) but not insist she wear it. She can decide for herself when to put it on. If the weather is extreme (for us, below zero Fahrenheit (-18C) will typically only occur only a few days a year) then provide more supervision. Enforce appropriate clothing if needed. Absolutely insist she do it your way if it is safety issue. (frostbite, hypothermia). But if it is merely a comfort issue, let her do it her way and learn from the results. This process may take several years and will generally involve her being uncomfortably (but not dangerously) cold or hot at times, as the child makes her choices and learns to live with them. Complaining at you needs to be discouraged. Remind her who decided what she should wear. 2) To you as Brownie Assistant: Here my advice is based on GSUSA Brownies, take what is useful and leave the rest. At camp you are there for all the girls, not just your daughter. You need to (figuratively) take off your Mom hat and put on your leader hat. So you should treat all the girls the same way. If you are reminding your daughter about her coat, don't do it any differently than you would for the other Brownies. Better yet, have another leader (whose daughter does not have coat problems) deal with all the Brownie coat issues. She can (depending on the weather circumstances) either a) remind them to think about whether they want coats or b) tell them all they need to take coats with them or c) require them all to put their coats on. Talk this strategy over with the other leaders in advance. This is what we did when camping with Brownies -- any girl asking for help was directed to a leader who was not her mother.
  50. 2 points
    I'm not a big fan of First Class skills instruction. Sometimes it's required, but less is more. Instead inspire your older scouts to think of some fun activities to motivate learning the skills. One year the PLC came up with an interesting skills lesson. It started with the SPL deciding to hike the troop about one mile into our campsite. Along the way the troop ran into a car accident. As the SPL encourage the troop to move in to the accident scene, it was interesting to see how many hesitated. It's hard to rush into the unknown. But when they got close enough, the scouts could see the accident was set up by the older scouts to teach first-aid. They had done research on the internet to make fake blood and wounds. The experience went better than I had hoped and every scout, old and young had fun and learned A LOT. Funny story, two months later our troop is driving to summer camp. As we came over a hill, we find our caravan is the first on to a roll over accident. The road was went and the driver lost control. We had several doctors in the group, so they went to work with the driver and passenger while we kept the rest of the troop back. What we didn't tell he scouts was that we were concerned another car would come over the hill and loose control right into the group. So we back up a bit. But, a scout approached me and asked why we went through the trouble of teaching them first-aid two months back at the simulated accident scene, and then wouldn't let them go help the doctors. I still laugh when I think about that scouts question. I didn't have a good answer. So, a quick idea that might motivate some ideas from your scouts is do a three mile hike instead of a troop meeting and set up stations along the way where the scouts experience or see skills in action. Just doing something completely different will be refreshing. Getting the older scouts to come up with creative skills stations ideas will be fun for them. And depending on your meeting location, the hike itself should be fun as well. Could even do it on bikes. Barry
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