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  1. This is a huge topic, but I agree that a complete review is required. My bio, resume, or whatever it is, on my profile, many positions held for 5 to 15 years simultaneously, I have had extensive experience as a scout, camp and Philmont Ranger Staff (one year responsible for the training of the entire Ranger staff), observing, teaching, and mentoring scouts, my three sons included. I have noted a tremendous diminution in the outdoor skills learned, or that are required to be learned, by scouts. And that few to none have actually mastered them. There is much to be said for requir
    9 points
  2. Tonight was my last AOL Den Meeting. Scouts have 1 or 2 requirements here and there to complete, but all are essentially done. They are going to start attending Troop Meetings and getting to know the Scouts there. I started with Tigers 4 1/2 years ago. I have 3 Tigers left from that original group that are going to crossover.
    8 points
  3. @RichardB I know better than to not follow the rules. So I do my best to keep up with BSA policies to the point that I have often had to tell my council's professional staff what is and is not allowed by BSA as they are not aware of the latest rules. My biggest problem is that BSA continues to break the first point of the Scout Law, Trustworthy, with the repeated lie in the FAQ found here https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/prohibited-activities-faqs/ , that "Dodgeball has never been an authorized activity in Scouting." As I have shared with you and others repeatedly THA
    7 points
  4. I'm glad I'm not a scout anymore. I would have been the token minority. I don't think anyone has thought through how those conversations will really happen. Peer pressure is rough and the minority scouts will mostly not be equipped to bring up tough issues in a good way. So they will just gloss over issues they barely understand themselves.
    7 points
  5. Boy, I'm not sure why you want to set people's teeth on edge before you offer input, but you sure do a good job at it. It's not the way I'd try and persuade folks, but I'll assume you have a reason. I put my scouts at risk at pretty much every camp-out, it's called "adventure". Last campout they went trail (bike) riding and we had 2 kids take headers off their bikes when they hit stuff. One kid got what I assume was a really really mild concussion cause he went headfirst into a tree (a little dizzy for 3-4 seconds), the other got a long shallow scrape down his wrist. They also used ha
    6 points
  6. I don’t think posting a very biased attack on the MB from some very conservative website is very helpful to the conversation, especially when most of the article is based on supposition about MB could and how it could be manipulated rather than how it is actually written.
    6 points
  7. Sadly I recall the Improved Scouting Program. Lived it and watched troops get smaller and go away. I got my Eagle right before the ISP was put in place. No new ISP for me. You had to file paperwork by 12/31/73. Couple of years later while on camp staff, council Philmont, etc there were definitely two groups of Eagles. Those of us "Old" requirement Eagles and those that were "New" requirement Eagles. There was cache to wear the old Eagle patch as opposed to the new groovy one they put out in 74 Those who think the Scouts (and I was one) don't really care about the rigor of the requ
    5 points
  8. To sort of quote Rodney King " Can't we all just go camping?"
    5 points
  9. I just accept my scouts the way they are and let them be. I try to stay away from all labels, it makes my life go easier. Since we are co-ed, there is a rule about no PDA's that seems to work and qualifies for everyone.
    5 points
  10. A SCOUT is BRAVE. "He has the courage to face danger in spite of fear, and to stand up for the right against the coaxing of friends or the jeers or threats of enemies; and defeat does not down him." ...Scout Law since 1911.
    5 points
  11. I look back at all the things I learned in scouts and one of the most important, because it might have saved someone's life when I said "how do you know there's no bullet in the chamber?", was gun safety. Tool safety would be close. I just don't understand why the same idea behind teaching gun safety isn't used to teach other types of safety that could enhance the program.
    4 points
  12. Excessive risks for what? What is the negative outcome for the scout when he/she takes aim at a target depicting a creature, throws a ball at fellow scout in a catch-or-evade challenge, deploys a super-soaker instead of a mobile heat-stroke abatement device, attends a political rally in uniform, shares a tent with someone of the opposite sex, is one-on-one with a trained scouter, or spends an hour on the road to camp? What is the rate of negative outcome from the activity (per time involved therein) relative to: the rate of positive outc
    4 points
  13. Since I tend to be super skeptical of most attorneys in this kind of case, the scenario is just reinforcing that perception for me. I truly see the focus on money, period, and the rest of the background is just dressing to make them look good, perhaps. And the money focus is the guiding part of the process, whether for survivors or the lawyers. The YP focus continues to fall into the background, and much of what has improved in that arena, both with BSA, and the larger society gets pushed to the back in favor of the monetary, greed and playing the system for profit. It seems to me that th
    4 points
  14. Focus on adventure is the KEY That is what many do not really understand. If Scouts are having fun and adventure and if THAT is your focus, everything else works out. Our troop has a lot of Eagles. Statistically 40% - 45% of Scouts that join the troop, attain the rank of Eagle. Why? Because they remain active, go on outings, and for lack of a better word, chip away at Eagle over the years and 4 to 5 summer camp weeks and other Troop activities. Many times we sit down with the 16 year old Life and assist with their plan. They are sometime surprised at how far along they are. Most s
    4 points
  15. "Coffee is gone" 😈👿😡
    4 points
  16. The words don't support your interpretation. The first sentence is talking about an activity ... singular ... a camp out, a trip, a high adventure .... Any activity that is 72 hours or more. The second sentence ... "not consecutive" ... exists so that adults don't game the system and leave the camp for two days and then return. If the adult comes and goes from the activity, it's the cumulative time. I've seen zero people apply this across separate different camp outs. I've seen zero people that include each troop meeting to this. This only applies activities that are at least 7
    4 points
  17. Their advocates will have us believe that not all victims of childhood sexual assault are litigants. So, no, by their own argument, we are not blaming survivors, or even a majority of them. If the current body of CSA litigants do comprise the majority of survivors, then BSA would be statistically 10 times as safe as the general population. It can't be both ways ... either yours are the minority of a sea of victims or, were we to investigate an organization with a similar number of youth, we would find 10 nightmares for every one of yours. As I testified elsewhere, my lived experience has
    4 points
  18. Welcome to the forum. Tell your guide that some strangers on the internet think he/she is making an inappropriate suggestion. It might be appropriate if, while working your ticket, a patrol of scouts pitched in and they invited you personally to get your beads at their CoH. Troops should be youth lead, and any troop that lets any adult pile on their agenda is not a troop, and therefore not one where a reasonable scouter would want to be recognized. You're a district volunteer. Get beaded at a roundtable, an adult cracker-barrel at a camporee, or some other activity geared towards scouters
    4 points
  19. Tamara Thomsen, a maritime archaeologist, first spotted the canoe while riding an underwater scooter in the Lake Mendota in June. Thomsen initially speculated that the boat was made by Boy Scouts in the 1950s, reports Sophie Carson for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. But when archaeologists removed a sliver of wood for carbon dating, they realized the true age of the vessel, which was likely built by a group known as the Effigy Moundbuilders. ... Wisconsin State Archaeologist James Skibo tells CNN that he was surprised to learn how old the canoe actually is. “I looked at it
    4 points
  20. Here's my ABSOLUTELY FREE, Brilliant idea of the day. For each MB write a companion pamphlet that a patrol can use to have fun/challenge/interest/service doing the subject of the MB. It would be similar to program features but would include requirements that would lead to a patch or ribbon for a patrol flag. Also, there would be no talking requirements, just doing as a patrol. Also, completing such a patrol badge would not imply anything about the associated MB. A lot of fun could go into making patrol badges. So, for art MB as an example, a service project could be for a patrol t
    4 points
  21. Yeah, one reason I am not a fan of advancement per se. So many people focus on Eagle that it becomes the sole goal of scouting. Many "Eagles" are paper thin on the rest of scouting. Advancement is only one method of scouting but it is the most most easily tracked. For example my son who is a BOR away from Eagle took his time, he decided he wanted a big Eagle project that is massive (his choice so we supported him and it came out great), attended World Jambo, 3 of the 4 high adventure bases (Philmont twice), worked with his Troop/Ship/Crew to plan and particpate in three roll you own ad
    4 points
  22. Chatting with a scout dad last night … ”I only made it to 1st class, or was it star?” ”Did you have fun?” ”Oh, yeah!”
    4 points
  23. To be clear, the TCC is the official committee appointed by the United States Department of Justice through the US Trustee. They are paid by the BSA as a cost of the bankruptcy process. The TCC contains both lawyers and 9 claimants who were selected by the US Trustee. Their sole role is to represent all child sex abuse claimants. This announcement is clearly about addressing the non financial aspects of the bankruptcy. To take only Coalition representatives poisons the well. It makes the appearance of giving power to those who agree to BSA’s terms vs giving priority to those who
    4 points
  24. My bottom line, this is nothing but a distraction from the Coalition's inability to this point of gaining a bigger trust fund AND a reaction to the TCC making it clear that abuse elimination is a SERIOUS part of a reorganization strategy. See this grand Coalition announcement for what it is, an interim step. It does NOT change the fact that the settlement's "protection" of youth guarantees NOTHING when it comes to transparency with the public. I appreciate any Survivor wanting to lend a voice and I thin most would line up at the chance to speak with the BSA right now. We want to prevent wh
    4 points
  25. I have a son with autism in Boy Scouts, and I emphatically would not want him used as a teaching aid to help the rest of the troop complete a badge. He's come a long way in his social skills and speaking skills. He doesn't want to be singled out as different. Marginalizing Scouts as teaching aids is a terrible idea. I'm glad my son just finished his Eagle project so we can be out of Scouts soon. Love our local troop and the kids. Exhausted trying to deal with our council. I finally quit volunteering early this year. Gobsmacked at the greed and stupidity of national.
    4 points
  26. Perhaps. However, if none of the TCC members are invited, that is neither wise nor easily explained away. Those 9 men were selected by the US Trustee to represent ALL BSA child sexual abuse survivors for a reason. That selection and appointment came after a fairly rigorous application and interview process. They have been intimately involved in this case since they were seated. Who, among survivors, knows more about the workings and machinations of this case? No one. Period. I also challenge anyone to say other survivors know or understand more than they do, collectively, about BSA youth prote
    4 points
  27. This entire issue is continuing to be a very large vat of worms, IMO. As has been noted by many since the outset, there is nothing new with this. The entire concept is, and continues to be covered by already in place parts of the idea of Scout Spirit, which includes the Oath and Law as primary components. IF a youth is doing their best to live by those simple ideas, then they should already be meeting the MB requirements. By making these issues more than normal "societal" concerns, things you learn to deal with as a part of the community, then you may cause at least confusion, and in some
    4 points
  28. Looking through the changes, I think BSA avoided controversy which is fine. I really question why we couldn't just add or change a few requirements in Citizenship in the Community and call it a day.
    4 points
  29. One of the minor problems I have with this badge, which is the same issue I have with the disability badge, is the requirement to find and talk with someone who is disabled or, in this case, different from you. This kind of turns different scouts, as it does with disabled scouts, into unwitting and perhaps in some cases unwilling "specimens" for investigation to get a badge. We've all had scout who are pretty zealous in their pursuit of knocking off a merit badge requirement. I hope counselors for this badge will talk about tact when seeking out someone to talk to. Not every disabled kid wants
    4 points
  30. Great - another sit in a class and try to stay awake merit badge. Boy Scouts, in order to differentiate the program in the market place, needs to be action and activity oriented, not more schooling. News flash, there is a ton of sit in class stuff available to youth these days. As has been noted, better solution would have been to work some changes in to the EXISTING Citizenship MB's and move on
    4 points
  31. A few things: 1) Actually, RP stated that Kosnoff and KR had this thing in a knot long before the infamous email snafu by his firm, which he owned; 2) The PSZJ firm was going to pay all cost associated with the Ombudsperson, however; 3) He withdrew that motion and will redraft a new one based around the court’s authority and duty to force the three firms - though AVA just says, “Vote however you want, this firm of one has got new cats to skin” - to speak with through one communication/voice, however conflicting the advice. At least it needs to be in one letter. This is all built
    3 points
  32. Dodgeball? Pfftt. Here are Scouts playing Mumbly Peg. Now that can get you hurt.
    3 points
  33. "Equitable compensation" to survivors has never been the goal of the BSA in this bankruptcy. The only goal that the BSA had was to escape from underneath the liability for the least amount of money possible. The upper limit of 5 to 10K of potential victims was arrogance on their part. If that truly was the amount that they had to pay it still would not have been 150-300k payment on average just do the math...225K (average of 150 to 350) X 10,000 = 2.25 Billion. Initially BSA told LC's and CO's they would not have to contribute and they negotiated with Hartford for a max of 650M so where wa
    3 points
  34. A New Scout on the Old Trail ... the spirit of adventure. https://www.theodorerooseveltcenter.org/Research/Digital-Library/Record/ImageViewer?libID=o285595 A young "Boy Scout" standing outside his tent meets "Davy Crockett, Buffalo Bill, Texas Jack [Omohundro], Kit Carson, California Joe, [and] Dan'l Boone." Caption: "Put it thar, Pard! Yer do us proud!" Artist Will Crawford 1869-1944
    3 points
  35. I hid the argument about our VP as it really, honestly, completely has absolutely nothing to do with this case. Everyone, the announcement was just an attempt at light humor. Let's get back to why Stang stepped down. As for all the announcements about upcoming announcements, they're nothing but bait to keep everyone glued to each side's message stream.
    3 points
  36. No, the 72 hours is one activity. The "not continuous" part means you can't leave and come back to reset the clock. Units may be more strict, but that is the rule as national sees it.
    3 points
  37. This is an idea we discussed locally many times over the years as a way of starting new troops. I think it would work well with two scouts and I would be willing to push it. Taking a scout on loan might be the one way I might even consider being a SM again. But, I will reflect on the experience of one of the most popular troops in our district. The troop had, and still has, a long tradition of great leadership and a fun program. However, their was a time they two outstanding scouts who took turns for several years being the SPL and ASPL. They were natural scouts with charismatic personal
    3 points
  38. What does your Chartered Organization require? Otherwise, still relevent: https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2014/04/10/ask-the-expert-the-who-when-and-why-of-scout-permission-slips/
    3 points
  39. I would always start with camping. If you're really being cautious make it weather dependent, and only go if the weather's nice. Don't worry about requirements or anything like that, just put up some tents and have everyone, adults and scouts, divvy up the basic tasks:, cooking, cleaning, fetching water. Get a campfire going and get everybody around it telling bad jokes and old stories. Do this a few times and everybody will get better at their outdoor skills and the scouts and adults will become comfortable with, and start desiring, to separate themselves from each other, or as we cal
    3 points
  40. I’ve seen everything done. My ventures once ditched an area event that they had been dying to go to for year — all for some last minute party conjured by the popular kid. The other adult and I went and had a great time counseling other venturers. That and other events gave me these lessons learned: Do it for you. Yeah, sure we’re in this for the kids. Whatever. But if it’s not something that gives you joy even if one parent and kid show up, you’ll add to your misery. Aim for the event to be top-notch on your scouts’ criteria — nobody else’s. That way they will brag about it wh
    3 points
  41. Camp (not the council’s crown jewel, an older — maybe oldest — land trust) was full this weekend. Our neighbors, about 200 yards off, were new girls’ troop. The usual female who camped with them was not available so the SM’s spouse came along. She was no fan of camping and this was a brutal weather even for those of us who were. It wasn’t warm enough to stay thawed, nor cold enough to keep the precipitation from crawling through your clothes. I praised her effusively for coming along with her scouts. However I’d write, it would have to include high praise for such people. Related to
    3 points
  42. Recognition and handing out a patch to adults, ok. A ceremony, no. If the time exceeds that which is provided for a scout to recieve his awards, it was too long.
    3 points
  43. This has been debated and clarified. It is not a multi activity odometer. It really means something like summer camp. You can leave at hour 71 and come back and have it reset. Yes, you could go on multiple 48 hour campouts.
    3 points
  44. Unless I misunderstood something, we (UMC units) must still file the re-charter paperwork as we normally do, and must pay the registration fees for each Scout and adult leader. What we do not do is pay the $75 Charter Org fee until at least March 31, provided UMC continues as a Charter Org, in which case we would have to do so through what ever CO we may be able to find. In that case we would not see a surge of payments in April 2022.
    3 points
  45. Yep, HIS WAY. I probably have Asperger's, too. I was considered "unusual" in my teen years. I spent more time at Radio Shack than at the mall. I struggled socially in many of the same ways my son does now. Fast forward. I found a wonderful husband who loves me as is. I'm one of very few geeky female software engineers in my workplace, and I love my job! I wish I had found MY WAY and the confidence to do what made me happy at a much younger age Your son is blessed to have a dad who loves him for who he is and just wants him to be happy. Way to go, Dad!
    3 points
  46. Thanks. He is happy and becoming independent - finding his way, HIS WAY, which make him more happy.
    3 points
  47. @GeorgiaMom congratulations to your son. My son just wanted to be one of the guys.
    3 points
  48. If I recall correctly, stars flame out or implode of their own accord, having exhausted their fuel.
    3 points
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