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  1. 11 points
    The friendship knot, especially tied loose like those will come undone very easily, you only need to pull one tail out and the whole thing falls apart. I blame the World Jamboree of course, all those foreign degenerates with their casual unit t-shirts, friendship knots, and gaudy patches, leading your fine upstanding smart Boy Scouts astray, and now they've taken the trend back to their units, spreading the abborance like a virus.
  2. 8 points
    y'all sound like a bunch of grumpy people. If the youth want to wear the friendship knot, let them.
  3. 8 points
    I mean "erosion" in this sense: Originally, troops were made up of patrols. Now troops are divided into patrols. Patrols used to be more or less permanent, with traditions of their own, composed of Scouts of all ages, with the older Scouts being responsible for younger Scouts and competitions among patrols. Now, patrols frequently change membership, change names, and disappear out of existence (the New Scout Patrol is even designed to be temporary). Every member of a patrol used to have a job with a title and real responsibilities, and the younger Scouts earned their way to positions of greater and greater responsibility. Now, there often isn't much for patrol members to do because the work is being done at the troop level by Scouts who need recognized Positions of Responsibility for advancement. Patrol members used to tent together, away from other patrols. Now, Scouts are often just jumbled together in a troop campsite. I could go on, but the larger point is that the Patrol was where a Scout learned teamwork -- or, more properly, citizenship -- by committing to work, play, and live in a little community in which success depended on the efforts of every member despite age differences, background differences, skill and experience differences, and personality differences. All too often these days, patrols are just temporary groupings for the purpose of troop administration.
  4. 7 points
    As a Backpacking MBC I do not count Philmont as completing the requirement. They didn't create the itinerary, they didn't create an emergency plan, they didn't create the menu and so forth. The most they could possible do on a Philmont Trek for this requirement is create a daily schedule and a budget for the trip but will miss some obvious valuable lessons if they used a trip they create on their own. I.E. the true cost of feeding a crew for 5 days and how to keep the cost low.
  5. 5 points
    Some advice from the National Park Service:
  6. 5 points
  7. 5 points
    It is time to trash the entire Recharter system. Maybe this is already discussed under the hopes for changes as a result of bankruptcy, but it always seems like this is something everyone at the unit, district, and most everyone at the Council level is well aware, and yet it never seems to change, or even be discussed by the people responsible for this wildly outdated and unappealing system. It is no exaggeration to say that we have lost more scouts, volunteers, and units to the cumbersome approach to registration and recharter than to anything else in my tenure. Not bankruptcy, not lawsuits, not admitting girls, not openly accepting homosexual leaders, not losing the LDS - but this. Something so stupidly simple I wonder if we shouldn't just let someone design a better system as an Eagle Scout project. Well, except perhaps cost - but it is related. Annual renewal of membership registration and confirmation of charter for a chartering org should take no more than fifteen minutes and able to be completed entirely online. Payment, transfers, new members, position changes, all of it. It isn't as if we don't have the technology - literally every other membership organization from libraries to churches to business prefered shopper plans make it that easy. The current process is entirely too time-consuming. We have piecemeal approach to Scout and Scouter data, bits and pieces all over the place in Scoutbook, Scoutnet, My.SCouting, plus having to generate separate lists and even printing forms and uploading scans and waiting weeks to find out if information is not processed - all this should be online, in a single system. Payments cannot simply be made online and directly. The cost of participation is already high, and we serve areas where that is prohibitive. Just showing up to events is costly in geographically large areas. Asking volunteers to pay on top of all the costs of their kids, uniforms, program fees, etc. Especially internationally, there is no benefit seen of national fees and often little for council fees. The justification seems to be paying for people to manage an unwieldy process that exists only for its own sake - since it certainly does not help anyone. Timing, granted maybe a council decision, but Packs especially find it hard to follow the calendar year when everyone moves in the summers between school years. And we have high turnover. This also means district/council working with lists that are out of date and useless 75% of the time in terms of who is actually still here, trained, paid, whatever - because nothing updates until March, but then people move in June, so 9 months of the year they are still on the books but not actually here. It could be updated in real time. Then there are the issues of applications being submitted and never processed, sometimes multiple times. (The record in my district is six attempts without success). Having multiple ID numbers, one in each council you serve, and then those disappearing after a certain period. Your training and advancements not tracking in transfers. Position changes should be the click of a button for registered scouters, either the volunteer themselves going online, updating their profile, and that's it, and/or district/council leadership - including appropriate volunteer roles - able to go in and do the same. It should not require a new registration form every time someone adds a new position. It should not wait the better part of a year before those roles are reflected in the system. Our district level staff spend so much time dealing with all this, that they are not spending it training, coaching, supporting - it's all about chasing down the paperwork. Which is too often still paper, or digitalized paper, but using computers to do things the same way as a century ago is missing the point entirely. Have I missed some of the obvious problems with the current system? Has this ever been addressed by the people in a position to change it? Help me out here.
  8. 5 points
    I know what I saw in January at the Summit. Why build such a massive learning center with a dining facility, huge classrooms, lodging, and an auditorium in the basement. I got the usual dumb answer when I asked about the reason for this building and was told by a guy with gold shoulder loops that "we are going to rent it for corporate use". What corporation is going to pay the cost of renting that place for a huge number of employees and then figure out how to get their employees there. There are no local airports so the only way to get there is by car, bus, or fly into the "Presidental Heliport " that was built "in case the President ever wanted to come". I also asked the same guy about how this was being paid for and got another evasive answer, "cash only". Come on guys, double the membership fees, pay huge salaries to senior executives, continue to spend millions at the Summit.......membership continues to drop, unpopular decisions being made.....maybe it's time to start getting some straight answers...after all I always thought that I was a shareholder in this club.
  9. 4 points
    This was a "consent" order, meaning that the main interested parties agreed to it, wrote it up, and asked the judge to sign it. BSA and the other parties are saying that: Not only is the national organization being sued by abuse victims, but so are Learning for Life, numerous councils, chartered organizations, and others who have not filed bankruptcy. And while the bankruptcy prevents all of those lawsuits from moving forward against the national organization, it doesn't prevent those abuse lawsuits from moving forward against all of the other parties. But if those hundreds of abuse lawsuits move forward in a piecemeal fashion against everyone else, it will necessarily require the national organization to do a lot of work and spend a lot of money because even though they are all separate organizations, they all have lots of business and contractual ties and lots of shared information. It will also be very expensive for all of those plaintiffs all over the country to continue their lawsuits separately against the councils and other parties. And if the national organization has to spend a lot of resources on these continuing abuse lawsuits all over the country, there will be a lot less money available to those plaintiffs from the national organization, once their claims are determined in the bankruptcy. So it is in everyone's interest to hit "pause" on the lawsuits against the councils and other defendants so they don't waste BSA's money, their own money, and the money of the other defendants while they try to figure out if they can do a global settlement among BSA national and all of the plaintiffs and all of the councils and other defendants.
  10. 4 points
    Proof of the BSA's indifference to unit level scouting--the recharter process is Exhibit A.
  11. 4 points
    Yes -- Get rid of it! Far too many unit, district, and council resources are wasted on this obsolete process. If council wants to renew the charter agreement with a chartered organization, then do it; there is no need to include the whole roster reconciliation and annual payment process at the same time. Apply for membership and pay the membership fee and fees for the unit you are joining online. Once a member is approved, automatic renewal and payment unless the member or unit cancels. You want to see who is registered in your unit? Open up the unit roster on My.Scouting -- every unit already has at least three people who can do that. And there is really no reason why adults have to register in a particular position (except no-fee positions, such as merit badge counselors). Let adults register as generic Adult Members, then assign them roles in My. Scouting.
  12. 4 points
    Because it's an outdoor program, I'm seeing ways to continue getting kids out of doors even if it's not necessarily advancement related. Camping is out but hiking isn't. You can easily maintain social distancing on a day hike. A lot of parents are going to be home with kids so two deep shouldn't be a problem. Buddy system can be parent and adult. Bird Study. Forestry. GPS & Orienteering badge components can all be worked on, some of it even in the backyard. Getting outdoors and away from other people may actually be the only recreational pursuit open to many Americans in the weeks ahead. If your focus is advancement, yes, you'll be stuck. If your focus is trying to help scouts come up with interesting things they can do outside in the spirit of scouting and the game, then you will innovate. Urban scouters will have a harder time with this but there are still parks or perhaps places within a close drive. In the words of someone else on here... that's my two cents on the subject.
  13. 4 points
    Or, maybe not. Consider the trajectory of membership growth since the addition of And agressively promotion HA bases. If BSA isn't squandering $$ on swaths of property inaccessible by most scouts (by miles and fees) it might just afford to keep costs down, thereby affording more members. If all the litigants asked for were titles to property, I'd give it them in a heartbeat.
  14. 4 points
    I am Scoutmaster of a 37-girl non-linked Troop. We operate in the standard matter as a Troop, with four patrols and all the normal elected and appointed youth leaders. Our SPL and her ASPL are tops and have attended NYLT. I believe you should operate the troops separately in accordance with BSA policy because that is the best way for the Scouts from both troops to have the full advantages and opportunities of Scouting. Fulfilling the role of an SPL is something not to be missed, and you should offer that to kids from both Troops. Operating your Troops as separately as possible will cause the girl troop to grow more quickly and provide the full leadership opportunities for more Scouts. Venturing is available for those chartered organizations who want to have a co-ed program. Scouts BSA is not co-ed.
  15. 4 points
    This circles back to vision. If you are inculcating a vision of adults managing youth for the sake of their entertainment or education, then patrolling is not necessary. In turn, BSA itself becomes superfluous. Scouting is in name only. If you are inculcating a vision of the pinnacle scouting experience of hiking and camping independently with your mates, the need for a patrol -- especially one worthy of the Green Bar -- becomes immediately manifest. Scouting becomes essential.
  16. 4 points
    Now seems a time to earn Public Health merit badge. Be Prepared. Help others. https://nyamcenterforhistory.org/2016/02/10/what-a-boy-scout-merit-badge-tells-us-about-the-history-of-public-health/
  17. 4 points
    I guess the point is to keep the certificate of your current rank in your wallet along with your membership card. Just in case you're out of uniform and need to vouchsafe your rank. What is special about the pocket certificates, IMHO, are the signatures. They don't prove anything beyond what's already in the scout's book and unit records. Years later, however, pulling those cards out of the shoebox in the attic and seeing the signatures of SPL, SM, and CC while your kids fiddle with your sash and loose patches can bring back fond memories. They might remind you of a story or two that you could tell. Or, maybe, your kids might know that SPL's kids or the SM and CC's grandkids. A few more cards in the stack of blue cards ... no harm in that.
  18. 3 points
    Not sure this is the best place, but it is just released.
  19. 3 points
    https://nam.scouting.org/ It does include a fundraising component idea.
  20. 3 points
    I doubled my donation this year
  21. 3 points
    Yes, they had lots of other volunteers...and later our county was one of the first locked down in the state, and now has the third highest number of cases in the state. My line in the sand was the CDC guidelines. They were there for a reason...
  22. 3 points
  23. 3 points
    My daughter is doing Personal Fitness remotely now. She’d actually met in person with the counselor once before all this started and is now doing tele-meetings every three or four weeks to talk progress on her program and talk through one or more requirements (first one under quarantine was last week, with me hanging by for YPT compliance). His flexibility and hers schedulewise meant that discussion was likely longer and in more depth than it would’ve been with the face to face model. Working really well so far (and doing the fitness program is helping manage the time in stay-at-home mode too.
  24. 3 points
    Looking on the bright side of things, I am trying to encourage my scouts to take initiative on merit badge work, and find things they are interested in doing rather independently while at home. Maybe we can get away from a "merit badge class" mindset - which is unfortunately the mindset of the boys' troop to which we are linked. Even if a scout cannot complete all the steps of a particular merit badge class, there are a lot of steps of a lot of badges that can be done quite well at home, and there is a lot of "discuss" interaction with a merit badge counselor that can be done by telephone (or by whatever one's preferred electronic communication system is).
  25. 3 points
    This is exactly what a reasonable leader should be thinking right now, in my opinion.
  26. 3 points
    Everyone in the world is going to wish that they did everything they did three weeks earlier than they did it. NY is somewhere around 1 week away from running out of hospital beds. If you don't live somewhere that is in lock down, put yourself in lockdown now, and maybe you'll escape the nightmare worst. In Ohio, we're on lockdown, we're going to hold our first troop meeting via Zoom this Wednesday. Our goal is to have everyone in uniform, at home. This week will be about troop elections plus ideas for future meetings. Our goal is to meet every week at the same time as our regular meeting.
  27. 3 points
    Yea my NYLT staff is doing some virtual training and presentation practice, but it's likely with the course taking place in early June, that it will be cancelled.
  28. 3 points
    I've averaged 1.5 units of rechartering for the last 16 years. About 24 recharters. The first several years were paper and very labor intensive. The first several were also relatively stressful because of learning the ins and outs. And they have all be time intensive casing a signatures and driving people in. The only way I've made it through these is I'm either very loyal or very stubborn. This process does burn out volunteers. This can damage scouting's relationship when handed to any adult not deeply vested in scouting and especially burns new parents. I doubt it hurts "troops", but it does clearly affect packs. This rechartering process also does little to renew the relationship between scouting and the chartering organizations. IMHO, scouting would be better served by a warm friendly conversation between a scouting contact and the charter org. The paperwork is of little significance. Maybe at the end of that warm friendly conversation, the scouting contact could sign the chartering agreement with the charter org contact. Beyond that, the rechartering paperwork is a waste. IMHO, this needs to become as simple as when I go into Amazon and repeat a previous order. Once I pay, it should be good.
  29. 3 points
    THE WAR IS OVER, BUT OUR WORK IS NOT. Post World War 1, about a million members and a drive to increase membership. We had a resume of purposeful service during the War, methods which achieved our objectives, and the support of a grateful nation. good read (4 pages), author Harold Horne https://books.google.com/books?id=aSTBSImgQxUC&pg=PA623&lpg=PA623&dq="Boy+Scouts"+%2B"The+War+Is+Over,+but+Our+Work+Is+Not"&source=bl&ots=gmfkJYHtXz&sig=ACfU3U39lHEazcqe8f92-cqlwuTnTJV4-Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj3itDhw4joAhVugnIEHeSdDXQQ6AEwAXoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q="Boy Scouts" %2B"The War Is Over%2C but Our Work Is Not"&f=false As mentioned in source, I like the original idea of Boy Scout Week being celebrated from June 8 to Flag Day June 14., focus on patriotism and service. My $0.02,
  30. 3 points
    Why do you assume that missing summer camp is a failure? Is that a requirement that I am not aware of? Can a scout not have a full and satisfying scouting experience through troop and patrol camping?
  31. 3 points
    I certainly agree that the important element is for the scouts to be at home, sheltering in place — since that is what is important for containing this as best we can — and that is fundamentally what I am worrying about, even in asking this question. In our (admittedly small) troop and in the larger troop linked to us, we have been looking for ways some scouting activities can be continued under these conditions. For kids that are likely to be cooped up for weeks most likely, our view was that at least attempting to continue Scouting could be part of giving them a structure and making “doing what they need to do” to minimize spread both more bearable and sustainable. I wasn’t trying to imply that continuing their advancement was more important than public health, our hope is that if we can find ways to facilitate them doing so that could be part of protecting public health.
  32. 3 points
    All Council activities here are shut down through April 2. Schools are in a 2 week state-wide shutdown and one source told me today it will be at least 8 weeks. No one is talking yet about Spring Break or Summer. My niece just called and her wedding scheduled for May 2 has been canceled because the venue is owned by a college, which is closing for the remainder of the school year. Frankly, I think in the coming weeks, Summer Camp will be the least of our concerns.
  33. 3 points
    We've never had this kind of situation before and I think summer plans could be really disrupted. Health officials are talking about an 8 week containment period, which puts us into mid May. A lot of K-12 schools and colleges are planning to be closed until the end of the year. It is not clear whether distance learning will work and in some cases, where labs or facilities are required in order to complete coursework, it won't. It is not clear if COVID 19 will demonstrate any seasonality, i.e., get knocked back by the warmer months. Certainly it's circulating pretty well in the Caribbean, so it might not. Academic schedules are being affected for millions of students and teachers. Education officials are talking about summer sessions which could significantly cut both the attendee and staffing pools for camps. I would plan to go to camp, but make sure there is a refund policy in case your district suddenly tells you kids needs to finish Algebra l over the summer to be able to enter Algebra ll in the fall. A lot of camps rely on teachers, but if they are running summer sessions,. they may not be available to staff. A lot of unknowns. Make your plans, but think about the contingencies. We all certainly hope this will blow over in a month or two, but who knows.
  34. 3 points
    Virtually nothing has changed since last year- the troops are separate units. There is a troop 123B and a troop 123G. Linked troops are an option that streamlines the administration for a Chartering Organization for the Committee only. The BSA implemented the rule that each unit must have their own SM, and it can not be the same person for both units to emphasize that they are two units at the program level. We don't have the side of the story for your Committee to know if they are reacting to "something changed" today, or if it has been an ongoing discussion. I can only offer that I had our committee and SM corps discuss planning last year on being a linked troop- while it did not happen yet due to lack of females interested, we remain open to the possibility. The statement that they are two units "on paper" is the problem- it isn't supposed to be just on paper, it is supposed to be in reality. While I understand all the arguments on why it makes sense to let the youth decide if they will hold joint activities for economy of scale and sharing resources to allow the units to grow, going around BSA policy to accomplish your own goals is not appropriate. Our job as adult unit leaders is to emphasize following the Oath and Law- teaching the youth to subvert rules and policy doesn't feel to me like it is keeping with that ideal. As to the question "where is it in writing that a youth member can't hold a leadership position over another troop (over, not in)", please refer to the handbook (or ILST, NYLT, etc.). Star rank requirement #5: "While a First Class Scout, serve actively in your troop for four months in one or more of the following positions of responsibility..." Again, you have two troops here, troop 123B and troop 123G, not one troop.
  35. 3 points
    A lot of heated discussion on this. Keeping it short...the troops should operate independently. Give each an identity and let it run. I'm sure each troop had a separate recharter packet, so they are linked by the same chartered org and/or committee? Please don't put out the cub program and BSA Scouts program have the same boy/girl rules. Cub rules are lighter.
  36. 3 points
    You told the Scouts they weren't going to Summer Camp? Why didn't the PLC make this decision?
  37. 3 points
    If that is the true intent, the slides aren't the problem, the neckerchief itself is. We need to go back to square neckers folded in half, and at a large enough size to actually be usable as a first-aid tool or other device. The knot really has very little to do with the utility of the neckerchief.
  38. 3 points
    I despise meetings that have more than a few seconds dedicated to reports and status updates. Send those in 10 days in advance of the meeting and disseminate to the attendees a week in advance. At the meeting the chair asks "any questions or concerns on the reports? No? Next item." They rank right up with announcements as biggest time wasters. If I'm going to drive an hour to a meeting don't waste my time with something that can be handled in an email.
  39. 3 points
    Some might say the same things about ScoutsBSA membership numbers, the "one-and-done" ScoutsBSA advancement program, and the erosion of the ScoutsBSA patrol as the most important structural feature of the program.
  40. 3 points
    I think folks are forgetting the origins of the Boy Scouts. The program was designed to allow Scouts to do things on their own or with their patrols. Anyone remember the First Class journey requirement? It was a 14 mile round trip journey by foot or boat.It could be done by yourself or with another Scout. And it cold be all day, or include an overnigt camp out. Venturing is not what Scouting should become, rather Venturing is what Scouting use to be. The purpose of Scouting wasn't to earn ranks, but develop independance and skills needed for life. The Ranks just showed what skills you had mastered and what you were capable of doing. Advancement wasn't the whole focus of the program like it is today. And I am afraid for Venturing. Not only has its numbers dropped, the powers that be at National have started make it more like Scouts BSA. Instead of awards, they now have ranks. While there has always been a recommended uniform, there is a greater push for it now. And there are some limits as to what they can and cannot do. When I was in college, it was starting a outdoor r. I mentioned the advantages of being a High Adventure Explorer post, but no one was interested because of all the BSA's rules. As others stated, they could do the same activities on their own.
  41. 3 points
    I've argued before that Scouts BSA should be the Jr. High program focused exclusively on T21 skills. Move Star, Life Eagle into Venturing as the advancement/recognition track along with all merit badges. Make service to a troop as a TG or SPL part of advancement/recognition for the youth that care to pursue Eagle. Doing this would eliminate merit badge mill summer camps letting them focus on patrol method activities (e.g. patrols sign up for daily activities at camp and participate as patrols). It would also allow youth to master T21 skills.
  42. 3 points
    Nah. 18 year olds join the Army, Navy, Marines, and Air Force everyday. Lots of parents accept the risk of injury or death in exchange for "program." Courageous parents very well understand train them, trust them, let them lead. Adventurous young adults leave our programs because they are, and this is a word youth have used in my presence, lame.
  43. 3 points
    Well thank you all for your input and suggestions. I have decided that I will go ahead and add the red star, especially due to @ParkMan's insight: I have ignored those two years because they were, frankly, poorly managed by my leaders - but they were still two years of Scouting, pitiful though they may have been. That star will represent to me two years of potential that were never realized, and remind me of the need to do better by and for the Scouts now in my own care. Thanks all for sharing.
  44. 3 points
    I would consult a professional dry cleaner and see what they suggest. Once cleaned, I would have it framed with archival acid-free backing and UV-blocking glass. I just had some signed Norman Rockwell prints done and it was less than $250 for both including triple matting. I thought it was a bargain. This is a historical treasure and I hope you have a place of honor to display it!
  45. 3 points
    The book is the proper documentation for rank advancement. Those cards are actually certificates - awards in and of themselves, and not meant to be official record-keeping. In many lower-income areas, the certificates are the only awards the boys receive, as the patches are too expensive for the units to afford. In other units, they only procure the patches, and never bother with the certificates. Either way, they are optional according to the traditions and preferences of the unit and have no bearing on the Scout's future advancement. In fact my brother, ever frugal, has a standing request in his sons' troop that they not purchase them for his boys as he considers them a waste of money. So, no, there is absolutely no problem if the Scout has, does not have, keeps or tosses those cards. They are, for all intents and purposes, unnecessary. What matters is what's in his book. Hope that helps!
  46. 3 points
    Once, our troop was back-packing in mid-October in the mountains of western Pennsylvania on a narrow, slanting trial above a steep slope that went down several hundred rocky feet to a cold reservoir. Freezing rain began - instant ice. The issue was whether to go back to the cars at the trail-head, four miles back, or to push on the the campsite twice as far down the trail, located in a steep bowl. The two adults, not commissioned Scouters - parents, insisted that the troop go on. The SPL decided to return to the cars, and all the Scouts accompanied him as the adults loudly questioned his judgment and courage ("wimp"). That SPL was remarkable. I suspect that a more typical SPL , even at sixteen, would have been intimidated onto going on. Neither adult was his parent. We made sure in the future that they were never alone with the Scouts absent commissioned Scouters, although they had attended a unit of training that stressed that Scouts were not a commando unit and safety came first. He was probably aided by the strong Troop culture that the SPL was the leader of the Troop at Troop activities. The Troop took almost two full days to get home from the parking lot, instead of six hours, due to the many trees, utility poles, and utility wires down across the roads. The U.S. Forest Rangers and state and local authorities had to rescue several thousand hikers, backpackers, and campers from that area due to the ice. There were broken bones due to falls. Not our SPL's troop.
  47. 2 points
    It's going to be interesting. It can be done; as @Jameson76 mentioned, councils will have to cut the BS to make it happen. To summarize thoughts that have been expressed by others here and in other threads: - Delete a bunch of non-outdoor MBs such as the Citizenship Trio, robotics, etc. Less staff needed, less time campers are sitting around other people. - Focus on traditional outdoor activities--boating, orienteering, hiking, shooting. More fresh air! Encourage patrol hikes to camp property that is never explored, or was abandoned years earlier. - Patrol style cooking in the campsite. Troops bring their own supplies or have food issued through a camp commissary for preparation in the campsite. Less public health risk than a centralized dining hall. (And in most cases, better quality meals. Camps have been trending to the "heat/serve" processed food/pre-school menus.) - Reduce camp fees to the lowest level possible. True, this will impact the council's bottom line (already in the red), but it will garner much goodwill and loyalty from families and units that are hurting financially. - Push back the boundaries of the campsites--more distance between patrols and tents. There will be issues to work through. Big gatherings like flag ceremonies and opening/closing campfires--might have to adjust these a bit. The silver lining: this may be the right time to bring back the more traditional elements of summer camp. And a more memorable camping experience for all.
  48. 2 points
    With this uncertainty, why not modify the summer camp business model to reduce financial risk, e.g., a rustic, patrol method camp (like a state park) . Minimum staff - just camp director and lifeguards. Better yet have troops provide water safety plan with their own lifeguards. Mess hall closed. Patrol cooking. No camp store, no nurse. Troop does its own program. Interactions, e.g. competitions, campfires with other troops lead by SPL's. Flexible schedule. Troop can register campsite for weekend, 4 days, whatever. My $0.02,
  49. 2 points
    We actually discussed this at committee meeting. Our troop is about 75 Scouts, suburban setting. Decision was really no decision, just that we would keep on keeping on. Our "do we cancel stuff" meter will be based on the local School system. 95% of our Scouts attend the public system locally. If they were to shut down, we would follow along. Not so different from weather stuff. Also if the church (our CO) curtailed things, we would also pullback. But, as I noted to the committee, our meetings and campouts are run by the Scouts with a great amount of attention to cleanliness, hand washing, and the highest levels of sanitary conditions. Why the CDC could take lessons from the patrols on meal prep, food storage, tent tidiness, and general cleanliness. Our camping areas are so clean the Scouts can and in fact do eat things that fall of the dutifully scrubbed tables. The dreaded COVID19 would not stand a chance among our urchins.
  50. 2 points
    Quite true. When I left for college, my mother was going through a tough time after her divorce. In her depression, she sold anything that she didn't see important in her life at a garage sale, much of which was my scouting gear. 30 years later while moving her to another retirement house, I stumble across a small brittle card board box with my scout shirt, neckerchief and a few of those cards. As qwazse points out, the signatures on those cards were valuable part of the treasure. Also, for some reason I can't explain, our scouts lost their books more often than they lost their cards. And those cards save more than one scout in proving their advancement for Eagle. Of course, records are more accurate with computers today (am I really that old), but as someone who uses computers everyday in my work, I know computers only do what we tell them to do, not what we want them to do. Barry
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