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  1. I want need to thank you. By speaking up here, you have put a (virtual) face on the issue. By sharing some of the stories of your abuse, you have made it feel real in ways that "numbers" can't. By opening up about the struggles you have faced as a result of the abuse, you have exposed raw truths which many of us have probably never even considered. I am terribly sorry it happened to you. But I am grateful you are here. now. at the virtual campfire. with other scouters. I have learned a lot from you. I especially want to say these things to @ThenNow. You have given me a lot to t
    8 points
  2. After over 4 years of working in the field, today was my last day as a Professional Scouter. It's been an incredible ride, but it's time for me to move on and start the next chapter in my life. Thank you to everyone on this forum over the past years who helped me grow as a Pro. If you ever have any questions about Professional side of Scouting, or "the Dark Side", please don't hesitate to reach out. Volunteers are some of the kindest, most selfless people you will ever meet in this world. It was truly an honor to serve them, and I will miss working with them dearly.
    7 points
  3. With respect to the the TCC $103B claim value estimate, it is probably conservative but it is also academic. The BSA's most valuable asset is the insurance. Some councils participated in its insurance program a year or a few prior to 1984 when the national BSA insurance program became mandatory for all councils. Some of the pre-1984 policies named the local councils, troops and camps as "additional insureds." Before the national insurance program was established LC's maintained their own separate insurance. Much less is known about those policies because the LC's have been unwilling or
    7 points
  4. Adding to this good news thread with an entry of my own. My daughter had her Eagle BOR tonight and there are now two Eagles in the family. Just a proud dad post, that is all.
    6 points
  5. (If this is off topic, please delete it, Moderators!) When I read about the bankruptcy and the chain of events that caused it, I know for certain that if instead of being one of the single greatest parts of my youth, and now my parenthood, Scouting had been the single worst thing to happen to me in my life, I would never be be to able to comport myself with the grace towards the movement that @ThenNowand the other victims demonstrate here. I appreciate that and respect it, and am grateful to them for sharing their perspective.
    6 points
  6. Was talking to scout the other day who was lamenting about the polarization of society. He mentioned other adults in his life who cannot even say hi to each other anymore let alone have a civil discussion. We talked about how it is ok to disagree and have discussions. We pondered how much better society would be if folks engaged in these types of discussion had the primary goal of trying to understand why the other person has a different opinion and were not soley focused on trying to convince the other person. Listening to understand, not to respond.
    6 points
  7. As cryptic as the judge's comments and questions seemed, I think she will do the following (generally), because there is no alternative for her. She knows there is no support for the BSA plan A. The toggle plan means cram down and she knows she cannot cram down a plan over the objections of 95% of the victims, either politically or legally. A cram down has never been done in a sexual abuse bankruptcy and she won't do it here. First, Kosnoff's/Abused in Scouting's campaign to encourage its 17,000 clients to write to the court has been impactful even if the judge redacted portions of them.
    6 points
  8. The IVFs were created in a time when Scouting could effectively deny a volunteer application without causing a stir while openly stating they suspected someone of sexual abuse or homosexuality could have wrecked lives -- many of them innocent. I'm a single male (never found Ms. Right and put too much time into work and Scouting) who simply wanted to give back to a program that I got a lot out of as a youth -- I'm willing to bet someone somewhere "wondered" about me at times and that could have been a career wrecker. The context of Scouting is precisely what made it attractive to predator
    5 points
  9. Yep. Hope it helps. It's been a lousy year. One thing I learned as a new SM is that there are lots more people complaining than helping. As a retired SM I learned that nobody really cared about my opinion so much as whether I helped. As for your old SM swearing at the new SM, that's just an angry old guy that can't find a way to help. Don't let him bother you. Oh, and give yourself a raise of, say, 45%? Does that sound fair? 😀
    5 points
  10. Let me preface my comments by saying that as a youth, I was a Brotherhood member of the OA, and in my senior year was simultaneously SPL of my troop and editor of the Lodge newsletter, so I know from experience that it is possible to do both. And yet.... I confess that as a Scoutmaster I have never held an OA election. The primary reason, frankly, is utter and complete lack of youth interest. I tried promoting the OA in my early years, and often mentioned OA representative as a possibility to older youth seeking a POR. Even had the OA reps come and do a video presentation. Cricket
    5 points
  11. I beg you not to think this way. "Mass Tort" cases and especially those involving bankruptcy can take a long time to sort out. That is the case with this one and when you consider that the impacts were often mostly psychological the process of "vetting" claims will be significant and possibly time-consuming. In similar cases like asbestos there were "off ramps" so that people who wanted to resolve this quickly could do so. But, that came at a significantly lower award. Again, that may work for some but to maximize your award these cases take time and often include several rounds of awards
    5 points
  12. Really? Not the abusers? And the BSA that, we now have documented proof, failed to protect these scouts and instead covered up? As for trashing lawyers (again), let me remind you and everyone: BSA has lawyers. The LCs have lawyers. The insurance companies have lawyers. Are you OK with the child sexual abuse victims NOT having access to legal counsel while everyone else does? As for "activists", I have no idea what you are even talking about. And what "bureaucrats" are you talking about? Again, no idea what you are saying. You want to lay blame? How about on the abusers? And
    4 points
  13. Because it didn’t involve a lot of camping and vulnerable situations that camping brings with it (showers, swimming, changing, sleeping, homesickness). These vulnerable / risky situations happen each month, month after month.
    4 points
  14. To be precise, Big Tobacco knew the general use of their product would increase risk (as opposed to generally not using it). I attended Kessler's lecture on the subject while he headed the FDA . It wasn't merely that smokers got cancer (among other things). Lot's of people did. It was that, in company-funded studies, multiple times the percentage of smokers got sick than did non-smokers, tobacco -- especially concentrated nicotine was likely to be addictive, smokers who started as youth were less likely to quit, And the corporate response (documented by whistle-blowers) was to begin ad campaig
    4 points
  15. My experience is that my rapist raped 11- 13 other young boys. The Boy Scouts knew about it (several letters from Troop Master to local council talking about it. Yes he was forced out out of that troop tried again in a different state and was denied the ability to volunteer (and he got his $2 application fee back) and that local council was told to tell him politely that his services were not needed. Wonder where he went next to get his rocks off? I wonder how many more young boys did he victimize? If he was caught later was BSA culpable because they didn't turn him into law enforcement.
    4 points
  16. So, I sat through NAM and some of the fireside chats. The message is that BSA is "almost done" or "finishing up" the bankruptcy and this will all be over very, very soon. That's the message: we are done. Light at the end of the tunnel. All is well. Just a little bit longer. They have hired a big PR company to rebrand and make people who don't even know what scouting is aware of what scouting is the minute the bankruptcy is over. There was not a word about local councils or COs. Anyone expecting big changes to YP are going to be disappointed. The only major "shift" was t
    4 points
  17. Trying to get on the Court's good side?
    4 points
  18. Crossovers individually demonstrate their skills to the Troop Guide, Instructor, or Patrol Leader. AOL are treated with the same regard as other new scouts.
    4 points
  19. You are likely to hear/read a post-modern nomad say, "Adulting is hard." But, they are also doing some astounding things: Serving multiple tours in military reserves. Learning business without business school. Building their own computers. Living in one part of the country while attending classes in another part. Picking vaccine targets. Participating in the outdoors, assertively preaching "Leave no Trace." Printing rocket parts. Caring for immigrants and the indigent. Participating in the political process -- as candidates. So, do
    4 points
  20. Being new I have not shared my story but one day I most likely will. I thank you for thanking others and I also would like to thank @ThenNow. Because of this thread I read almost all of 27 pages of of @ThenNowpostings. His grasp of the law, his understanding of survivor emotions, and most of all his personal story has touched me. I have been struggling for a long time with my mental health but with the way he has no qualms about mentioning his own journey and mental health struggles put me over the edge and I reached out today to my health care providor to get me help. I am 67 years old a
    4 points
  21. I feel a need to revisit this. BSA has spent a tremendous amount of money for legal fees and other costs associated with this bankruptcy and they did it for one reason to keep themselves from losing everything. It is probably more then the amount that they want National to put into the settlement trust. White Cassel has made a large bucket of money and will make more the longer that this drags on (which is to their benefit). Who are the activists you are referring to that wants to "tear down another pillar of traditional American society & culture"? The "bureaucrats protecting their r
    3 points
  22. That would be a best case scenario if it is limited to the BSA relationship with COs. In a worst case, zombie world scenario, we could see hundreds of local small COs wiped out or affected by this. For example, the Methodist Church. I work with is a state based council. A host of smaller churches by me are barely functional, but they do have some property and assets. If the UMC had to respond to the cases in our state as a council, it would likely result in the closure and sale of dozens of small churches, their parsonages, some local camp properties, community buildings, etc. If Chapter 11 is
    3 points
  23. I learned while serving in the military you can only sue the government if the give you permission. There will be no permission granted.
    3 points
  24. "" The Boy Scouts of America posthumously awarded Chester County's Evan Bass the rank of Eagle Scout at a ceremony Monday in Chester. Evan, a Chester County high school student, athlete and dedicated member of Boy Scout Troop 61, died in a tragic ATV accident on April 10, 2020. He was 17. Family , Scouts and Community finished Evan’s Eagle Project. The Palmetto Council of the Boy Scouts of America also presented the Bass family with the Spirit of the Eagle Award, a posthumous award recognizing the achievements of Scouts who lost their lives to “untimely acciden
    3 points
  25. The Mormon Church has long thought of BSA as a subsidiary of LDS, Inc., and for good reason. The Mormon Church goes back to the beginning of BSA, actually before BSA. LDS was the very FIRST Chartering Organization. The Mormon Church folded its Pioneers scouting program into BSA in approximately 1917. It became the largest CO with over 40% of all troops. It approached scouting differently than other chartering organizations. It used its association with BSA as a way to mainstream away from its terrible public image coming out of the polygamy criminal prosecutions and near forc
    3 points
  26. This thread started in the bankruptcy thread with a post about the LDS relationship with BSA and a statement that the LDS is more at fault than BSA and should contribute a large amount to the settlement. It quickly veered in a deeper discussion about LDS reporting practices and after a few pages of posts, I thought it would be best to pull the discussion out of the bankruptcy thread (as it had little to do with bankruptcy) and make it its own topic. Part of that goal was to allow those who were not following the bankruptcy thread to realize what discussion was taking place and take part (if
    3 points
  27. Ok ... moved the National Annual Meeting discussion to the NAM thread here: I also created a new discussion regarding LDS Abuse Handling. It seemed to start a bit related to CH11, but then diverted a lot and may be missed by others who are interested.
    3 points
  28. My Son and I are going though the ordeal this weekend. He is 14 tomorrow and this should be a memorable birthday. Wish us luck.
    3 points
  29. With the lawsuit news and everything going on with my council and district, I am depressed. When the opportunity arose to work on district camporee, I jumped at it with the hopes It would cheer me up. Me and the other two folks working on the camporee agreed to invite the SPLs and any PLC members to attend the Roundtable to get input from them on camporee. 3 Scouts from 2 units showed up. I admit, I was hoping for more to attend, especially since one of the Scouts was my son, and I have been bouncing ideas off of him from the get go. But I think it went well, and the Scouts will be pleased.
    3 points
  30. With all due respect, don't believe the work. 1) Greg Hallett really does not have any research credentials. 2. There are no references, citations or works cited in the chapter you cite. Where is he getting this information? IF as his bio states, he got these from interviews with KGB operatives, there would still be citations for these interviews, and even copies of the KGB records. After the fall of the Soviet Union, I have been told by well respected historians and researchers that for the right amount of cash you could get any KGB record you wanted. 3) FNZ Publishing appears to be a defun
    3 points
  31. Remember, attorneys hate the courtroom because of the unpredictability. A continuance may only mean "We don't need you right now Judge."
    3 points
  32. JP Morgan is a secured creditor. Its votes don't count. The voting that matters is of the "impaired classes" of creditors. Aside from a few trade creditors, the survivors are the only impaired class of voters that matter. Without 2/3rds of the survivors no plan that gives third party releases to non-debtors can be confirmed. The survivors are in complete control of the outcome of this case.
    3 points
  33. Mismanaged and criminally managed corporations die all the time. Think Enron, Madoff Investment Securities LLC, Arthur Anderson LLP , yada yada yada. Where on earth does this concept come that BSA has this privilege that no other corporation possesses? Being a non-profit is partly the cause of it being on the brink. . If it had been a for-profit, there would have been shareholders who rebelled and who would have gotten rid of the National Board and put in new management decades ago. Hundreds of lawsuits is bad business. Shareholders understand. Here there was no one watching
    3 points
  34. It sorta is, for the reasons I listed before. You may hate his ever loving guts, but your emails are going to do nothing to dissuade him from protecting his clients interests. JUST LIKE an effort to email the TCC lawyers (for example) from BSA supporters would do absolutely nothing to change what they are doing, at least I would hope. An attorney's job is to zealously defend the interests of the attorney's client. Schiovoni's doing that. Hate the stalling tactic, but he's doing what he is suppose to do. And TCC/FCR/Coalition are doing what they are suppose to do. Now let see what the
    3 points
  35. Same here, well except the other half sounds like the bad advice I gave them.
    3 points
  36. You guys seriously meet with commissioners? Unless there are pics, gonna call that "unproven" We are in a large council and they seem to have professional staff all over the place (at least 5 in marketing and untold number in "development") On paper there seem to be Commissioners; Council, assist Council. asst to the regional manager commissioner, Commissioner colleges, commissioner meetings, etc etc. They seem to have commissioner gathering at times. In our District on the calendar there is a monthly commissioner meeting. In 40 years as a leader in 4 different councils, 5 dif
    3 points
  37. I have no experience with these companies, but I'd rather rent a Zoleo or Garmin Inreach Mini than a big satellite phone. https://www.skycallsatellite.com/zoleo-satellite-communicator/ https://www.outdoorsgeek.com/product/inreach-mini-rental/ They're more appropriate for backpacking and you can set them to send your location every X hours by text to someone. https://andrewskurka.com/review-zoleo-satellite-communicator-seamless-messaging/ https://andrewskurka.com/preview-garmin-inreach-mini/
    3 points
  38. Here's the problem and the biggest open secret of BSA in all my years and I guess going back for decades before me. 1) MOST Chartered Organizations couldn't give a rip about what was going on in these units. They signed the papers once a year and went on about their business. If you were to ask the local VFW Hall in East-Wherever South Dakota that chartered a Pack "Do you know what you are committing to?" their leadership would say no. This was just something some guy wanted to do for his son's or grandson's Pack and yeah, sure, we'll sign once a year and let them use the hall once a mont
    3 points
  39. It's fairly clear from the post that Qwaze was attempting to illustrate a point regarding legal liability and the peculiarities of it under US law, NOT actually directing blame at the victims for either filing their cases or staying quiet. It was an insensitive method of making the point and was riding the line of what will be acceptable in this thread, but it was not the kind of outright "victim blaming" that was an issue a few weeks ago. So.. To everyone out there, while there is a responsibility upon the reader to read posts in their entirety and consider the context before responding
    3 points
  40. The reason BSA is being sued (and has lost numerous times in state courts prior to 2020) is that yes, the pedophile did it, but BSA was negligent in allowing it to happen. In short, and I mean very, very short: 1) Boy Scouts of America (BSA National, the Congressionally Chartered entity) created the Boy Scouts (or Cub Scouts, or whatever) program and chartered local councils to carry that program out. 2) Boy Scouts of America directly chartered each year the units in question. 3) Boy Scouts of America knew from early, early on it had a pedophile problem and created the Ineligibl
    3 points
  41. Yeah, one page is about the right length to make a letter that will actually get read (really more like 3-4 paragraphs); so even a dedicated person is going to put that novel on the bottom of the pile. Unfortunately it's clear from his complaints that most of what he's upset about revolves around a mistaken understanding of how organizations, events and activities work in general. I work (volunteer) for an organization that runs an annual arts festival that is run almost entirely by volunteers, with only one paid part time person. Even with all staffing being free, the budget is over $
    3 points
  42. Wow, that is quite the read. Maybe it takes letters like it to move the case forward. Unfortunately, 90% of that letter is just opinionated and uneducated BS. It is obvious that he is unfamiliar with nonprofit budgets and he has never seen a detailed council statement....pages and pages for every little event etc is accounted for and budgeted annually. Councils could benefit from sharing their board minutes and financial statements with those who have an interest. If they did, then maybe units could better understand why councils love for thier troops to attend the council camp vs.
    3 points
  43. WOW! How can anyone learn about what is going on if they are editing and censuring it? Agree, we got some good mods. they allow dissent, and only shut down things when things need to either cool down, or a new thread is needed.
    3 points
  44. With prices like that, I'm banning those specific knives for myself. Crazy prices for museum pieces you would be afraid to use daily. More national mark up to pay for ...
    3 points
  45. I would not be so quick to write things off. I agree with the studies. But I also raised four kids. At the 2 month and 15 month (?? intervals) vaccines, each had fevers or grumpy / irritable after their vaccinations. I remember two that went from making some pre-speech sounds before vaccine to not making some again for months. ... I'm not blaming the vaccine. But vaccines are known to cause fever and grumpy / irritable babies after. It is not wholly inconceivable that someday a connection will be found saying fever affects ear channels and can slow speech development or has some minor s
    3 points
  46. “On my honor, I will do my best, to do my duty, to God and my country…” “Of all the things about scouting that influenced me, the Boy Scout oath did the most,” Colonel Ralph Puckett Jr. said. “Repeating the Scout oath was probably the first time that I realized that I had a duty to contribute something to my country, to give something back to this great land in which we are privileged and fortunate to live.” “Next to my parents, scouting was the most influential action on me while I was a young man,” Puckett said in that speech. “That influence has affected me all my life. Only my fa
    3 points
  47. Pairing back my comments. My apologies if I write too explicitly. This smells of the over-zealous using their scouting position over others to force a medical choice and medical tracking. It's wrong.
    3 points
  48. It depends on who is asking. HIPAA only applies in the healthcare setting and it merely protects against providers sharing your medical records against your will. An employer, school, business, or anyone who isn't affiliated with those entities can legally ask your vaccine status. They as of now can't mandate it, but they can make decisions based on whatever information you supply on whether or not they want to hire, serve, or admit you. In other threads it has been discussed that while BSA may not require a vaccine for scouting participation, a CO certainly can based on what they think their
    3 points
  49. I don't think they can do a vaccine mandate. They could do a mandate that in order to be unmasked you have to be vaccinated but I don't think you are legally allowed to ask that question. I am not sure how HIPA rules work for this. So I think you can say this is the rule and people should be respectful to follow it, but you can't enforce it.
    3 points
  50. Home Base outdoor K-8 school program founded by Dan and Amy Warren operates out of New England Base Camp. "The main program at Home Base, which runs Monday through Wednesday, now includes 40 fully enrolled children in grades K-8. Their five teachers lead classes in everything from writing and math to learning how to tap trees for maple syrup. An additional 10 students are enrolled in optional weekly STEAM (science, technology, engineering, art, and math) sessions on Thursdays. Dan, an Eagle Scout , first visited New England Base Camp, which includes acres of forest, extensive outdo
    3 points
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