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  1. 4 points
    Some of you have read about the litany of challenges I've been facing with troop I'm involved with. Some I am going to try and "Knock it off with them negative waves." and focus on the #1 and #2 reasons I am involved with the troop, my sons, and something positive. Oldest son spoke with his PL at the meeting about taking to time to check on tents and patrol boxes. PL said go for it. When middle son found out, he decided that would be a good thing to do as well. Since he couldn't ask his PL, he assumed it would be OK since he is APL. They found issues with the brand new, only been on 1 troop camp out and borrowed for a family camp out( that turned into a troop camp out after the families went whitewater rafting). BUT they took responsibility for making sure their patrols have what they need for the upcoming camp out. That is what I want my sons to get out of Scouting, more than even earning Eagle: seek and take responsibility to serve others. As for youngest, he finished up everything for his Parvuli Dei religious award. All he needs now is his DL and CM's signatures, and off the application goes. I needed this today.
  2. 4 points
    It might be a much more valuable and Scout-like lesson to talk to boys about what they should give in a relationship, more than what they can get. What makes a relationship a win-win for a husband and wife, and there's a lot more to it than he's the paycheck and she's the maid. If I heard that you were teaching my boys about your vision of spouse selection we'd be having a conversation where I'd be asking you to stick to the Scout Handbook. You are welcome to have that conversation with your own children all day long but it's not your scope of practice to train mine in that subject matter. I have some suggestions for my children about choosing a mate, but they are for my family only.
  3. 3 points
    If the Patrol Method is dead in any unit, it was dying long before Family Scouting got here. Units I see today still effectively using the Patrol Method are doing so because they fostered a PM culture over many years and continue to do so. Units that stop using PM likely had other barriers to continuing on with it long ago. I don't know they story with your local unit(s), but as a possibly over-generalized comment I think blaming Family Scouting for the woes of any particular unit's shortcomings or failures is a cop-out. Patrol Method has been a struggle to maintain for many units for decades. Units that wanted to keep it going have done so, in spite of the hurdles. Blaming Family Scouting, a programing initiative that is primarily focused on the Cub level, for any failure of the Patrol Method seems misplaced.
  4. 3 points
    I didn't say boys, I said good old boys, and you know what that means. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_ol'_boy And I will add that any access to minors comes only with the permission of mom and dad, they are not the enemy. Scouting does belong to mom and dad and siblings, and we all have our roles and opportunities within the organization. I have three children in Scouting and I absolutely have influence in our troop. I have more influence than older Scouters whose children grew up and left decades ago, because it is my family and my kids. Scouting exists today because of our membership. No kids, no program. I have a lot of influence as a current parent and Cub leader because I'm connected to Cubs, I can help Troops recruit cubs, I make introductions between our Arrow of Light den leader and Scoutmasters, I tell young boys (and a couple girls) that when they get older, maybe they'll be a Boy Scout, like that's the best thing ever. I help create opportunities for Troops to work with our Cubs, which helps give boys volunteer hours and lets young scouts see the upper level program. I have relationships with a lot of families with children because my family has children. Our Lions now, if we are doing things well, will be new Scouts six years from now. So I am thinking 10 years ahead, not 20 years behind. All of this is very valuable to Scouting. Now, is that bad? Because the organization cannot run on old Scouters alone. We have to work together and if you don't like working with families, you'll have no one to work with. Here's an article about sexism in the middle east: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/may/02/majority-of-men-in-middle-east-north-africa-survey-believe-a-womans-place-is-in-the-home
  5. 3 points
    Here's the thing, it's not funny. My husband had a Chemistry professor who told him something like, "the taller they are, the more fun they are to ride." Is that a joke? Is it funny? Is it Chemistry? This is the kind of garbage that goes around and it's inappropriate.
  6. 3 points
    I think sharing a similar sense of humour is important in a relationship. In which case, luckily, it seems qwazse and WinsconsinMomma are not in a relationship, as far as we can tell.
  7. 3 points
    Rural India and the Middle East are extremely sexist. In addition to this dowry burning, in parts of rural India women are expected to burn themselves to death, and celebrated for it, when their husbands die. All of this is treating women as property https://www.smh.com.au/world/india-burning-brides-and-ancient-practice-is-on-the-rise-20150115-12r4j1.html https://scroll.in/article/874185/decades-after-india-outlawed-sati-a-temple-to-a-victim-in-bundelkhand-draws-scores-of-devotees I think it serves everyone better to make sure the boys and girls can manage their own cooking and chores. I think demeaning the criteria is better than demeaning women.
  8. 3 points
    For some reason reading this exchange I've found myself humming a certain Monty Python song. All together now "I'm a lumberjack and I'm ok...."
  9. 2 points
    Wow, I've not heard my scouting experience put in the context of a half century. I gotta think about that, lots of mix emotions.
  10. 2 points
    Firstly, I fail to see what the cultures in India and other middle eastern nations have to do with criteria for choosing a spouse in America, unless perhaps the region in which you reside has a significant number of immigrants from such areas. As far as I am able to ascertain no one here has called for suttee, or dowery, or even the acceptance of sexist and demeaning jokes or stories. Secondly, scouting belongs to the scouts. Not the siblings, not the parents, not even the Scouters with half a century of experience, The scouts.
  11. 2 points
    So I am hoping to be involved with a new girls Scouts BSA troop. I would like to see the patrol method used, and used well, in the new troop. Any suggestions for how to foster a Patrol Method culture in a new troop (whether the new troops be girls, boys, or Martians) ? I have already read the books Working the Patrol Method by Four Eagle Scouts and So Far, So Good! by Clarke Green And there is the complication that a new troop is likely to be a one-patrol troop at first.
  12. 1 point
    I’m personally not a fan of internal packs for new Scouts because they haven’t got enough experience with backpacking style camping to pack an internal frame pack. Just about any old sleeping bag can be strapped to an external frame pack. Just about the time they learn how to pack, they are ready for a bigger pack. Barry
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  14. 1 point
    I love being a Boy Scout, there's nothing I'd rather be- But if I wasn't a Boy Scout - A Girl Scout I would be! Ding-dong, Hi there! Wanna buy some cookies?
  15. 1 point
    In my troop the grey beards sit out of the way and let the boys run things and only step in when asked by the boys for help or for safety reasons. The boys run the program.
  16. 1 point
    As one whose beard is greying, and who is facing the prospects of World Jambo and 20-something SMs from the rest of the world, you are right. What keeps many of us in? Well, luck. I've lost some good friends over the years, so I know that my nights counting stars are limited. money and time. Our country is very unique in that many retirees have made a decent nest egg. being nice. The first two don't matter if someone complains too much to our COR. war and college. It takes our young SM's/ASM's away from us right when we need them the most. Us oldies need to sub in for them until they return and can tell their boss they ain't working double shifts no more. smiles. I say it again and again ... but there is no place where I see happier young people than when they settle themselves down in the middle of the wilderness. Maybe not the first time, but they keep coming back. Then finally learning how to rest easy.
  17. 1 point
    My oldest son has two brothers. They are siblings. They are all in Scouts BSA. Soon we may have older Scouts in troops with younger sisters in Cubs. That's Scouts BSA. We may have brothers in one troop and sisters in another troop. That's Scouts BSA. We may have Scouts with older siblings in Venturing. That's Scouts BSA. And here's the thing, when you have Dad as a den leader and Mom running the popcorn sale, and sister in Venturing and Brother in Scouts, then that helps make a family stronger. And it helps make a community stronger.
  18. 1 point
    Google "Hebrew National hot dog commercial" The punch line is "We answer to a higher authority" than the FDA
  19. 1 point
    And today, that guy would be in clear violation of Title IX, and if some administrator had been looking for a reason to replace him he'd be out on his ear. I promise my students a safe learning environment. I also inform them that I do NOT promise them a 'comfortable' one.
  20. 1 point
    It's not the good old boy club anymore! And I"ve been in Scouting for 5 years, thank you very much.
  21. 1 point
    Trail To First Class? (A guess from an ignoramus)
  22. 1 point
    Read my bible again and nope - no reference to church. Not surprising when churches did not exist when the commandments were written. If we want to discuss this further perhaps we should start a new topic in Issues & Politics.
  23. 1 point
    While I like the convenience of ordering online, I suggest you not teach this to the Scouts. I suggest you teach them the skills of planning, pricing and buying "the old fashioned way" for a few reasons. Partly so they know how to do it without the aid of the computer/website and spreadsheets that calculate everything for them. But also because preparing for a campout should be a patrol activity. It is an opportunity for a couple guys to spend time working together to achieve a goal. It is interesting and often funny to watch a few 13 year olds shopping for a menu they prepared. This often involves someone lobbying to add chips or cookies that were not on the menu and someone else realizing that they have not collected enough money for chips or cookies. And if that doesnt convince you, please consider this quote often attributed to Baden Powell - the Scoutmaster should 'never do for a boy what the boy can do for himself'. In this case, it seems like you are solving a problem that doesnt yet exist and that may or may not actually be a problem for the Scouts. If they find meal planning and grocery shopping to be a hassle they will find a way to improve it. And knowing teenagers that way will surely involve technology.
  24. 1 point
    I resemble that remark. In my case, it's Scoutsons are 18 and 20 and go to universities that are out of state.
  25. 1 point
    A new Webelos leader, yay! Welcome to the club; we have the most fun position in all of Scouting! I may be biased of course. There are a few things I suggest you read as soon as you can; fortunately much of it is online. First of all, read the entire Webelos Handbook start to finish. Of all the books for you to be familiar with, that is the most important. Then there is the Cub Scout Leader Book, which goes over all the basics of the Cub Scout program. The print copy can be found at your local Scout Shop or here https://www.scoutshop.org/cub-scout-leader-guide-646725.html and the digital copy can be procured here https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HM7JVHT/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_ep_dp_aqrTBbCZM688E The Webelos Den Leader Guide will have everything you need to plan and execute your weekly den meetings, and it is also full of useful information and aids for the program in its extensive appendices. Print copy available at your local Scout Shop or here https://www.scoutshop.org/webelos-den-leader-guide-646724.html or you can get a digital copy here https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HMFF853/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_ep_dp_VprTBb72MZ4P8 These last ones will go pretty deep into all the rules and regulations, but they DO matter, so you'll want to be somewhat familiar with them at least as you begin, with the hope being you'll have a solid grasp of their content as soon as you can invest some time in reading them thoroughly. And fortunately, they are all available for free online. They are the Guide to Safe Scouting https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/gss/toc/ the Guide to Advancement https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/33088.pdf and the Guide to Awards and Insignia https://www.scouting.org/resources/info-center/insignia-guide/ There is even a full webpage on the Scouting site dedicated to Den Meeting resources. Find it here: https://www.scouting.org/programs/cub-scouts/den-meeting-resources/ Obviously you don't have to read all of this TODAY, but whenever you have the time, try to work your way through them all. If you can be comfortably familiar with all of these resources, you will be miles ahead of many other leaders. Good luck to you!
  26. 1 point
    G2SS May 2018 All Scouts registered in troops are eligible to participate in troop or patrol overnight campouts, camporees, and resident camps. Patrol Activities—A Scout patrol may participate in patrol activities. Two-deep adult leadership is required. Patrol Leaders Handbook (2010) Most patrol activities take place within the framework of the troop. However, patrols may also set out on day hikes, service projects, and overnighters independent of the troop and free of adult leadership as long as they follow two rules: • The Scoutmaster approves the patrol activity. • The patrol activity does not interfere with any troop function. So yes, the rules have changed (didn't find a 2017 Patrol Leader's Handbook on-line). Now, when I was a Scoutmaster I had the boys ask to do an outing that wasn't necessarily allowed by the G2SS. No, not rob a bank but things like laser tag or paintball. What I told the boys was that those activities were not sanctioned by the BSA but if they wanted to plan it out and even invite me, I'd be game but I made it clearly understood to them and their parents that it wasn't a Scout activity. Would I do that today for an overnight activity? Probably not. But a few years ago, I had one patrol (older boys) do a "patrol outing" of sorts where they camped out of earshot and sight line from the remainder of the troop, we were hosting Webelos Scouts, and the boys absolutely loved it. I made the mile walk around 9:30 PM to see if everything was kosher and then again around 7:30 AM just as a check. It really fostered youth leadership and they talked about that outing for years as one of their favorites. You have to know your boys and I'm a believer that the more you put trust in them, the more they will reward you for that trust. I'm sure it was a liability issue for the BSA but it's sad they took the patrol option away.
  27. 1 point
    Your views on spousal selection criteria are at best outdated and at worst extremely sexist.
  28. 1 point
    I have really mixed emotions about the advice to find a DE, scouter from another pack, any warm female body, to solve the issue. Even if we remove gender from the issue the conversation is basically: We don't have the leadership to meet the YPT requirements so we're going to bring in a complete stranger from the other side of the council. Nobody knows him/her but that's ok, they took the online training. Gotta say, I wouldn't sign my kid up for that solution.
  29. 1 point
    I'd definitely get the pack leadership & COR & perhaps church leadership involved here. I agree to with @qwaze - start running through the list of other Scouting groups that might be able to help. You are trying to do the right thing here by making it possible for her to participate as an equal member. I'm not going to continue to beat the drum of cancel. But, some food for thought from my travels. Because we always want to provide our Scouts the best experience possible, we often perceive things as worse than they are. Yes, it's camporee - but you don't have to go. If you tell the DE and camporee chair you're pulling out because you don't have a female leader - you've just made your problem their problem too. You might just get an email from an experienced Scouter willing to go. Not sure how big your troop is - but I'm guessing you get a pretty good participation in camporee. I imagine that most of the Scouts in the troop have a mother. Some of the mothers probably even were Girl Scouts at one point. When the Scouts start complaining to their parents about how they can't go, there's a good chance a mother will send you an email. Yes, your scouts said they'd quit - but somehow I don't think a bunch of Scouts who have spent years invested in your troop are going to quit because of one camporee. Hypothetically, say you did cancel. You get some ticked off Scouts & leaders. You then go to the next Committee meeting and have a frank discussion. "Folks, we had to cancel this trip because we didn't have any female adults." There would be some discussion - perhaps some even pretty tense. But, I bet that it would set some things in motion. I expect you'd start to see a few female adults start to show up at meetings and trips. In these instances, I'm reminded of the book "Profiles in Courage". Sometimes you have to do the right thing - regardless of the perceived outcome. The funny thing is that when we've made similar hard choices to do the right thing, it almost always ends up being a very well received decision.
  30. 1 point
    Scramble like heck. Call your caouncil venturing committee. Let your DE know. Community college APO, church youth leaders. And ... GS/USA commissioners. You might get your leader, you might not. But you'll feel better trying.
  31. 1 point
    If her pack does not have a registered female leader willing to camp, you could try contacting one of the other packs in your area to see if they have someone who would be willing to step up so this young lady does not get left out in the cold.
  32. 0 points
    You win, I give up. It's not the boys club anymore, it belongs to mom, dad and little sister. Patrol method is dead, outdoor social engineering is in. I know how long you have been in scouting WM because you have taken several of my posts out of context over the years. We need to start a discussion on new uniform styles. National needs to change the uniform away from Boy Scouts of America uniform to define a clear difference between the two programs. Barry
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