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  1. WisconsinMomma

    Getting the Value and Pride back in Eagle.

    I would like to say I really don't care how colleges view my boys' Eagle awards, if they even get them. If a college looks at my kids and doesn't see them as wonderful people, then it's their loss. And, I get that top colleges are competitive, but I don't really know if my kids will be chasing top colleges. What I want in an Eagle Scout journey for my sons is the maturity and real world experience the journey gives them. My boys are youngish, 11 and 13 and they are just starting to learn. My older son was supposed to lead cooking on this last weekend's campout and I heard it did not go well. But he's 13 and hopefully he will get more chances to do better and he will get better in time. It was his first time trying. Hopefully he gets lots of experiences! He is getting closer to first class. One baby step at a time. I don't care how other people view Eagle, I care about formation. If my boys learn the skills, that's the point, they will be better off than where they started. Schools do not do a complete job with young people, I view Scouts as an important educational experience.
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    When do the necker colors change?

    It looks like red wolf neckerchiefs are on backorder at the online shop. We are doing crossover next week, and I wonder if we should try to go red?
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    Scout BSA Uniform Survey (Girls)

    Nice Kilt! I will say, I hate BSA pants. I have women's pants, two pair in the tech fabric and one in the cotton and I hate them all. I wear them because I wear the uniform, but I do not like wearing them. The shirt is fine. I don't have a lot of opinions on the new uniforms, I hope they make more choices in olive for women's pants. I will need a new shirt for BSA soon but may buy a secondhand shirt. In other news, my youngest became a WEBELOS scout this week. He wants to wear a tan shirt but has to wait one more year!
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    Mike Rowe: Death of Boy Scouts?

    On another forum I belong to, someone was bemoaning the decline of their religion, and someone mentioned this book. I have not read it, but the concept is that many social organizations are struggling. Bowling Alone, The Collapse and Revival of American Community. https://www.amazon.com/Bowling-Alone-Collapse-American-Community/dp/0743203046/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526652514&sr=8-1&keywords=bowling+alone
  5. I have attended exactly one district meeting, and to be honest, it wasn't that useful. Now as an interim Cubmaster, I should go to district meetings --but tell me, Scouters, what is the point of a district meeting, and what makes a good district meeting vs.. a meeting that could be -- a newsletter? What are the high and low points of district meetings you attend? Personally I wonder if they're mostly a waste of a lot of people's time.
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    Tesomas, Gartner Dam, Freeland Leslie

    Hey guys, has anyone been to Tesomas Scout camp? I don't think they have patrol cooking, but they seem like they are highly rated and I've heard they have scouts from all over come. I'm also interested in hearing more about Camp Freeland Leslie. Our troop has been to Gartner Dam for the past 3 years and the boys might get a choice of camps in the future. Thanks!
  7. It seems that some people are squeamish about perceived discrimination against girls with separate Troops. I'm not sure I understand it and think it would be good to discuss so we can be prepared to support or defend BSA's policy of separate male and female troops as needed. Thanks!
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    Deterring thoughts of discrimination w/girls?

    What I noticed in our last Pack committee discussion is a sense of fear of treating the girls "unequally", and it seems that some think that co-ed will reduce risk of being accused of being unfair. I think that some folks on our committee (in cubs) are afraid of looking bad, and that they think that separation is inherently wrong. I would like to find ways to encourage the girls and boys to have their own space but I'm not sure it will fly at all with people who are concerned about political correctness and perceived injustice, real or imagined. It will be interesting to see how it plays out over time.
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    Deterring thoughts of discrimination w/girls?

    I'm not sure that I agree with that. My bigger concern is that people will demand immediate entry into boys troops because of insufficient volunteers for girls troops. So, I am really hoping that some strong girls programs will form and that some girls' parents will dig in to volunteering with the BSA. Not all troops are equal anyway, each troop has its own personality and strengths and weaknesses.
  10. OK, so, my Pack needs to talk about whether we are running with a girls program next year. My sons' troop, or their CO will also need to talk about whether they are forming a girls' troop. The Pack and Pack CO seems open to having girls. It may just be a matter of getting organized and recruiting leaders. The Troop committee seems to have an overall negative view about a girls program. It seems that no one wants to mess around with it -- except, maybe, me. And maybe I know some women I could recruit for a new troop.... But then again, I have all sons and don't personally need a girls troop, but it's something I could get involved in as a leader. I'm afraid to even bring it up with my sons' troop committee. LOL. I expect they're going to shut it down the second I bring it up. Maybe it will be better than that but it does need to be discussed as this is a major change in the BSA and they need to talk about how they will work with or not work with the new program. Any suggestions? Also the new episode of Scoutcast, the Scouting Podcast is very good about bringing girls into the program.
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    New Volunteers vs the Old Guard

    Here's what I have observed in some committee meetings where I am. A few of the parents of Scouts who are no longer in the troop complain that current parents are not volunteering and honestly, they start to come across like the only ones capable of getting anything done. Do they go out and ask the current parents to volunteer? No. They put a note in the minutes saying they need someone to volunteer and then complain that no one shows up. I asked a mom from my former den if she would take over the wreath sale. She said yes as long as she doesn't have to attend committee meetings. Voila! A new parent is volunteering. The mom who was doing the wreaths and her son is leaving is happy, and she was very nice. Score one for the new parents. Now some of the "old" parents are complaining that their fundraisers suck. (My family sold $700, but whatever.) I volunteered to our committee chair and Scoutmaster to run a candy fundraiser if the PLC supports the idea, and I offered to get them info. and candy samples so they could check it out. I have heard back -- nothing. So here I am, a new parent trying to help out, appropriately, and I'm getting nowhere with it. So I try to wait patiently until one of the more experienced adults actually wants assistance. We need a new Treasurer, but the outgoing Treasurer basically said that he trusts no one else to do the job. It's frustrating, really! I've made like 4 or more nominations for a new Treasurer. My fingers are crossed. So, I have some frustrations with old Scouters who complain about new parents.
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    How will you talk about girls troops and packs?

    Right now, we are only talking about girls in Cub Scouts. I expect our Troop will stay all boy, and then if they choose to avoid girls,it may just take some creative planning.
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    How will you talk about girls troops and packs?

    Honestly, I really don't know how this will play out in real life until we get there. It will be a learning experience!
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    How will you talk about girls troops and packs?

    We discussed girls at the committee last night, and our Pack will bring in girl dens if there is interest. The Pack will also have boys and girls potentially working co-ed as needed for programming, which is a concern, but a few leaders were told "off the record" that this was acceptable to our council and bought into the idea. So now we will wait and see if any girls take an interest in the Fall recruiting season. We will not poach from Girl Scouts and it sounds like the families on committee who are active in GSUSA will stick with the program they started with. It will be interesting to see what the interest level is.
  15. Son #1 cleaned the garage this weekend as a part of his Family Life merit badge work.  Earlier, we put gravel on a path in the yard as the family project. He's almost done with this badge!  Just need a family meeting.  Son #2 got the hang of diving and going under water well enough to complete the Swimming merit badge -- woo woo!

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    Minimum time to achieve Eagle Scout rank

    Yes, of course, I heard this from a parent. Perhaps we need to introduce some super-cool high adventure to keep these boys engaged in the next couple years.
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    Minimum time to achieve Eagle Scout rank

    The only race I have heard of in our Troop is of the boys who want to finish their Eagles and get out before the girls arrive. However, I think this is short sighted and the girls won't be in their Troop, so what do they care? But, it is out there. ETA: This could really hurt our troop if the 16 year olds start bailing out early, it is nice to have older boys to lead the way for the younger ones.
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    From National: Official Name

    I just don't care when girls start getting the first Eagle. They should follow the program, but if it only takes 22 months or whatever, so be it.
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    How will you talk about girls troops and packs?

    I think at this time it's too early to tell how much interest there is from families of girls for BSA programs. I mean, it's still barely getting started. At our Back to School night when we have a recruiting table, it will be interesting to see if any families of girls will ask for info. Also, I know a lot of girls' families but I need to be careful not to step on the toes of the GSUSA, which of course has many girls right now. I think the girls' programs will start very very small, but that's OK because it will be more manageable. I think it will take at least 2 years before we know whether the girls program really sticks and has sufficient demand or not.
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    How will you talk about girls troops and packs?

    I talked with another mom today after an event. She has an older daughter (15) in Girl Scouts who basically just does camp, a son who left Cub Scouts because he didn't like the group of boys in Scouts and was getting bullied, and a daughter who is in Scouts. The Girl Scout leader is very very very active and always taking the girls to do things. I asked my friend if their family would be interested in the BSA, now that there are opportunities for girls. She didn't know. I also don't know, because this is all still in the very early stages. It was difficult to have the conversations talking about girls and scouts but not saying girl scouts. But it was OK. In my pack, I think I will ask the CO if they will charter a separate Pack for the girls with their own Pack number, and we will share Pack Committee meeting night and share Pinewood Derby (because of equipment and setup challenges). But we will need leaders for a girl Pack. The Pack meetings could be on the same night but in different rooms in the same building. It will be interesting to see what the other committee members and CO think about it.
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    Smile, or Don't. Have fun with it.

    I really don't think it's going to be that bad, to be honest. But it may depend on the area of the country you live in. I just heard about a library in Alaska that is having a drag queen storytime, led by drag queens and where children are encouraged to dress up as the opposite gender. In comparison, bringing in girl units to the BSA is very, very modest and mild.
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    How will you talk about girls troops and packs?

    Do you think they will be willing to sponsor an all girls Troop too? Or a Venturing crew? Or a girl cub unit? What you really really need are parents of girls who are willing to volunteer and get trained. That's your core.
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    From National: Official Name

    Yes, but.... as volunteers we have influence over this, and we can say -- let's have an all girls troop -- and encourage that path rather than single gender patrols in a mixed troop path. Sell it -- girls will flourish with other girls. Plus, BSA wants girls Troops, not single gender mixed troop troops, so let's help them get there. The best defense is a good offense?? Or the best offense is a good defense?? Eh, you know what I mean. The parents are going to go to wherever the girls are welcomed. So let's make some all girl Troops that have good foundations to build on. Districts should get on this.
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    From National: Official Name

    I don't think Scouts will go fully co-ed, if as volunteers we can get girl Troops and Packs off to a strong start. Now, I can't speak for rogue troops and packs that don't follow BSA policy, you'll always get some of that, but if Scouters work to help girls make great girl Packs and Troops, then each gender can have their own strong program. There will likely be some interaction at merit badge fairs and such, but staunch single gender folks just won't go to those events.
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    How will you talk about girls troops and packs?

    Here's what I"m thinking -- we need to make strong girl Packs and Troops and help them get off the ground, so they can maintain their separation and independence from the Boy Packs and Troops. Does that make sense?