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  1. I am going to keep talking because I am torqued up. Sorry / not sorry. I have a couple favorite things about camp. One of our camps has a big castle and it has a big mine. These are basically huge play structueres with rooms, bridges, tunnels, etc. The castle was used a a setting for our Wood Badge dinner, and you can have events in it. It is outdoors but also has a smaller indoor room with a fireplace. But some of my best camp memorie are with Cubs in the camp kitchen and having dens do breakfast, lunch, or dinner. Kids love cooking and helping in the kitchen and it's even bet
  2. I'm going to say that as a female, I really want a flush toilet at camp. Especially when I was a Cub mom. Especially when it is that time of the month. I know we are getting crazy off topic but recruiting Cubs is a lot about the moms.
  3. There was a time when we went to Cub family camp and there were no joke, like 5 or 10 families there. It felt like we had the whole place to ourselves. Camps seem to be under-utilized for sure. At the same time, kids need places to swim and shoot BBs and do archery. Where can the little cubs go shoot BBs? We need people with big backyards and good umbrella insurance policies.
  4. I get it but that is not 100% true. The training provided by national, the publications, all of that is important. And a good reason for keeping some camps reaonsbly close is that more adults need to be trained on how to camp and lead. Especially now. Adults need the outdoor skills to be able to work wth the kiddos. I need more outdoor skills. If we build the program, we recruit the kids and train the leaders so they can be confident with the kids and have good supportive teams and communities of adult leaders.
  5. I am thinking I would cash out our retirements to save the Cub camp portion (Camp Doerr) at Indian Mound. It's not enough and I don't want to be a bag lady, but dang. Who wants to buy some lottery tickets with me? Really, faced with losing a camp, how many Scouters would throw in more cash? How many businesses? I get that it is unappealing to pay off another person's crime but saving a camp? I guess the reality is that we will keep donating time and money to our Troop.
  6. Thanks for that detail. Yes we must be in the same council and I also thought that the attachment to the service center building was too strong. It's not a great building. It's not used all that much. The scouting heritage museum, could be packed up and not many would care that much, or it could be relocated to camp. I did not buy that it would cost a lot of money to relocate the scout shop either. Of course it would be an expense, but let's prioritize -- a CAMP vs. a scout shop!
  7. I thought that, for having very little concrete information to share, it was a good and informative call. The council mentioned that their team visited three other Scout camps in our area, not too far away, operated by other councils that may be good resources that can be shared. I am of course concerned that these camps may be lost as well, but our council has communitated with the other councils and those camps may be in a more stable position to keep operating. I am only familiar with one of the three camps mentioned. Our Troop is going to Camp Long Lake (Potawatomi Council)
  8. I understood it to mean our council's two camps. Sorry, $400,000 (not million) Perhaps I misunderstood, but it sounded like they were talking about us.
  9. Our council had a Zoom call last night. I learned that our camps lose $400 million annually. The council was already considering selling camps. We did not get our council's obligation numbers, those will come out later after court papers are made public. It sounded like from the # of councils in America and the total dollar amount, an average amount per council would be $2 million. But that is not the exact number. I felt that the people making the presentation were all very professional and they are putting in a good effort to figure things out. Since we have no numbers and
  10. Yes, I have three Scout camps within an hour drive of my home. But we also live in a larger metro area. As I think more about this we need to keep our strongest cub camp and let the other, and the council building go, if that works financially.
  11. I think that Scouters need to plan with a 10 year time frame at a minimum, and that concedeing too many camps now is a recipe for slow death. These are important decisions.
  12. I also wonder if two councils could collaborate to keep a camp open. Our non-council camp is in a wealthy county in the council-next-door's area.
  13. One of our camps is in-council and one is out. The nicer camp is out of council. I'm not sure that makes the out of council camp the one that will be sold...
  14. I was talking with another local Scouter who had the idea of selling our council shop and office building as an alternative, or in addition to, selling one of the two camps. I think this is a good idea -- it should be easy enough to get a small retail space to rent cheaply (or even donated?) for a scout shop, and many people can work remotely. There is also a small museum that could be packed up or relocated to one of the Scout camps. Once a camp is gone, it is gone forever. I would be willing to see our Council take on debt (or ideally, pick up donors?) to save our two camps. O
  15. You know, I would not might living on a site of a camp. I would prefer to live adjacent to a working camp though. Dreams are free...
  16. That might be optimistic. As long as our camps have enough space and time to give the kids a good outdoor experience and capacity does not get too over-full, that is good. I have not spent as much time at camps as my family. Our troop used to go to LeFeber (closed), then Gartner Dam (shifted focus more to cub programs), then Ma Ka Ja Wan (hit by derecho) and this year Long Lake. We are staying closer to home. Thunderstorms are scary for some of the kiddos who went through that severe weather in 2019.
  17. I'm in Three Harbors, so our camps are Indian Mound Scout Reservation in Oconomowoc and Oh Da Ko Ta in Burlington. Both are nice camps. Both have a lot of people attached to the camps so it is tough. We are visiting Potawatomi Council's Long Lake for summer camp this year and looking forward to it. The most valuable part of Scouting is the people. There are some tremendous Scouters in the council and I hope that they are not too discouraged. I also hope that, hey could we find some big donor somewhere? I don't know. Seems like we would have already had one if that's the case.
  18. I agree that the YPT training is very good. Very, very good and I'd even say it may be the gold standard for youth protection at this point in time in the United States. If you have not seen it, take a look. Note it may be triggering, it makes me feel very emotional and it is memorable and important information.
  19. Our council has two camps and sent a survey asking members about them. It sounds likely that one or maybe both would be sold. Our up north camp was sold a while back. It is hard to say one camp is better than the other, as we have good memories at both. One camp has much better facilities and cabins, the other is more wild. I think either could be made into a subdivision or whatever if sold. The up north camp has had nothing happen with it as far as I know.
  20. Update; my husband (current SM) and CC connected and my husband is going to let this go. He offered to talk with the former SM but they have not reached out to him to discuss. CC will have my husband's back and we do not have any parent committee meetings until Fall so perhaps this will just fade away. CC is committed to making sure that during troop committee meetings that people will speak up if they have things to say and will help with the communication pieces. Onward to a troop fundraiser today, and bringing one of our kiddos home from NYLT this afternoon.
  21. I am not sure why but it seems to have been planned that way, perhaps by the committee chair we had two people ago.
  22. I suppose that an increase in one fee is not that bad. Then again, I just purchased an entire uniform, plus mess kit, water bottle and scout book for about $200. But then still you are in for less than $300 and looking at any youth sport or class it can get expensive fast. Example: I have a hockey player and that is not even the most expensive sport.
  23. One of the things the CC wants to figure out is if this is just the former SM or if there is an undercurrent of dissatisfaction among a small group of the parents. It was such a rough year. Our CC is new, our SM is new, our ASMs are new, our Advancement Chair and Activities Chair are also new to their roles. It's a near total turnover of leadership. All these new people are pitching in and helping. In the Troop, Scoutmasters have had short terms of service, averaging maybe 2 years? My oldest already had 3 Scoutmasters before his dad in his first 6 years. Through that, he was able to work
  24. Starting in the SM role under Covid was challenging for him and the troop activity almost ground to a halt in the Summer/Fall of 2020. I thank God that the troop was able to start meeting outside again in Spring 2021. I personally think that it was very good for kids to have activity again. Virtual meetings were very hard but the kids were getting pretty darn good with working in Zoom meetings and patrol breakout rooms. We are now back in person outside while the weather is nice, and having meetings outside at a park shelter is extremely nice (when the weather is good). Anyway, I thi
  25. Thanks everyone. My husband on the one hand says that he is ok and it's not a big deal, and on the other hand, he's confused and hurt. Our CC has very good people skills so hopefully she can help navigate this one. It also feels like the loss of a relationship as my husband is not eager to interact with the former SM after this and that's too bad. The former SM did a fine job and is good with kids and the abrupt criticism coming from them is sad. There was a whole set of famiiles whose chidren have all grown up and moved on and most of those parents ceased their roles in the last two year
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