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  1. WisconsinMomma

    I HATE the new YPT rules

    Yes, but I feel with Scouters, time is of the essence. We don't know how long we'll have our volunteers for. It is good that we have position specific training required, and that is a pre-req for Wood Badge. You need to be trained in your position. If we make it too leveled, then you have potential issues with Scouters feeling like they outrank one another, and that is a bunch of drama we don't need. I'd grab a Scouter, find a training and have them go for it. Wood Badge is a commitment because it's 2 weekends. Some of my WB Patrol mates were Cub Scouters and they were delightful, and in Scouting for the long haul. Yay! Many of the online trainings go over the patrol method and that's great!
  2. WisconsinMomma

    I HATE the new YPT rules

    I think that if the Scouter has worked with male Scouters and it's not working, try a female Scouter. My Wood Badge course director was female, and I kind of idolized her, she was great, and so when she made a recommendation not to do XYZ, I listened to her with less resentment than I would if some guy I had no connection to and who was maybe not my best match to work with gave me a recommendation not to do XYZ. Does that make sense? The example was, I offered to go help with NYLT training, and she advised me to find a ticket item working with Cub (where I had more experience). So I became a BALOO trainer. Now, over the course of Wood Badge, I had shared with my troop guide, who I'm sure shared with the team, that I was struggling finding my way with some pushback and in particular, one not-so-welcoming person in the troop. So the advice they gave me was good. I stuck with Cubs, where I had years in the program, and more friends, and... with some time I was able to get an in as Troop Secretary, they had no one else! I was volunteering! How could they say no!!?? The guy who I had trouble with raked me over the coals for my first set of minutes. Now I can look back at it and laugh and laugh. They really didn't want me, but hey, here I am! You got nobody else. And I am not that bad, I was just new, female, and I knew a few things about Scouting (from hanging out here!) For me, as a woman, Wood Badge was an important part of me gaining some credentials to help people see me as, you know, sightly qualified to have input. Back to that first round of meeting minutes, I cried. I had put a couple hours into make them the best darn meeting minutes I could, and I had re-formatted them (like, used a different font, changed some wording to make it nicer. I put the Scout Oath and Law on the minutes in the free space!) so I owned them. One person hated that anything had changed. I got the email from hell and they changed everything back to the way it was. I cried. My husband saw me crying and thought I was totally over reacting, but he didn't feel what I was feeling -- total rejection from the Troop. In another matter, I suggested that something he did might upset the same (control freak) Troop adult. My husband said -- I'm a volunteer! I don't care what he thinks! If they don't like it that's his problem! LOL. I have adopted more of my husband's attitude. Tough cookies if you don't like the font that the minutes are done in. LOL. We've got bigger things to take care of! And, I'm a volunteer -- people should say -- thank you to volunteers a lot more often, don't you think?? You suck doesn't really get a lot of repeat business. It helped that my course director is VERY "successful", or, well-respected in Scouting. Here she is the course director with a huge staff who loves her, and she is a Silver Beaver. What a great role model for me. And really, she's a magnificent leader. You could just tell by how well the course staff worked together and had fun throughout the whole time. Maybe it doesn't need to be a female, but someone she can click with who can get enough of a relationship going to be able to offer suggestions. If there is no relationship it is not easy for a person to listen to feedback. It's not about gender necessarily, it's about finding the right fit. But in a male-dominated organization, working with a fellow female is a real treat. I'll add that as a Cubmaster, I am closest to our female Committee Chair in Cubs. Of course, our kids were in my den together, and I've known her for years, our older kids are in the same troop together. But I talk to her and interact with her more than any of the guys. Mostly because of our roles, but I am very thankful for that relationship. Maybe the female Scouter has some stress or fears in her life about Scouting and how it all works that another Scouter can help empathize with and alleviate. Relationships take time. I was at a conference in the Spring where there were about 700 attendees and 30 were women. One woman came right up and introduced herself to me and we spend quite a bit of time together. Another female came up to me and I spent a lot of time with her too. It makes you feel less weird when you find someone like you in those situations.
  3. WisconsinMomma

    Contagious Disease Outbreaks

    Well, ya can't get a shot for norovirus (although, people are working on it). There will always be a risk of illnesses at camp.
  4. WisconsinMomma

    I HATE the new YPT rules

    We need more trained leaders, not fewer, and so taking any new leader though Wood Badge is going to give them more experience than they had. We need new leaders, and we need new female leaders. Everybody starts somewhere! My WB experience was pretty clear in what we were doing. Just because some people don't do well in WB is not a condemnation of the whole program. I think my course from last summer was the newest course. Back to the specific female Scouter who is struggling with patrol-led, perhaps one of the other female Scouters could form a friendship and mentor her? Might not work but it's better than nothing?
  5. WisconsinMomma

    Contagious Disease Outbreaks

    Summer camps can, of course, make any rules they want within the law and within BSA policies, but if it's too much of a hassle / extremely restrictive, then not as many people will go to summer camp. Any PR problems with the BSA coming across as either pro-vax or anti-vax in the media would be a disaster.
  6. WisconsinMomma

    Contagious Disease Outbreaks

    That's OK. No one can force my family's medical decisions (and I have not shared what they are, other than me not getting a flu shot).
  7. WisconsinMomma

    Contagious Disease Outbreaks

    Talk to your council and camp directors about the issue. They are the ones who will set and enforce any policies on the matter.
  8. WisconsinMomma

    Contagious Disease Outbreaks

    I really don't want to debate vaccinations or start a debate on vaccinations when what we have in place seems to be working. Have there been any cases of Hep A or measles outbreaks spreading via Scout camps in the last decade? Do we have a problem or are we making up a problem so we can argue about it? Can a person vaccinated for measles get the measles? The answer should be, no. The people most at risk for measles are unvaccinated pregnant women and very young unvaccinated children. Can a person vaccinated for HepA get it? It's the same kind of situation isn't it? I personally don't get a flu shot, and I accept the risk that I may get the flu. Your decisions might be different, and that's OK!
  9. WisconsinMomma

    Contagious Disease Outbreaks

    It is the right of the citizen to decide whether to vaccinate their children or not. In Scouting, this is going to be the decision of the camp owners (presumably the council) so most of us are not involved in these decisions anyway. Also, I'm sure there are laws related to how these issues should and should not be handled. When we want to encourage participation in Scouting, it is not a great idea to take on a controversial issue such as vaxing or not vaxing. Why open the can of worms? Parents can and should decide their preferences. Why make it even harder for people to enjoy camp, when there have been no instances of issues at Scout camps? (that I know of, have there been?) Why operate on fear? Are there nurses at camp? I am sure there are health officers, but the ABC forms are what we use.
  10. WisconsinMomma

    Qualities of an Eagle

    Sorry about the misquote, I tried to find the original but was struggling. I don't think it's bad to seek out a hardworking spouse, but I think it's wrong to assume that the woman will be the cook, or that one spouse should pull more of the weight so the other can go play in the woods. There is a ton of sexism out there and it is something we need to be careful to avoid as Scouters. I also think it's wrong to push our ideologies on Scouts. The Scout Oath and Law are the most important lessons. Live those, associate with people with similar values and that's not a bad way to live your life. If you fail to see how mistreatment of women in other countries is a more barbaric example of some of the viewpoints of some old fashioned men in the US, well, then you're missing the connection. There are different flavors and presentations of sexism. Are we going to pretend there is no verbal abuse and domestic violence towards women the US? There is a lot of it. There is also a lot of child abuse in the US. Some of the attitudes about what women are responsible for and should be doing play into that violence.
  11. WisconsinMomma

    Qualities of an Eagle

    It appears that one of the posts about criteria for choosing women who are rich and good cooks and seeing a woman working in a field and saying "that'll do" have been removed. I don't see those posts on this thread anymore, but they were here, and that's what prompted my replies.
  12. WisconsinMomma

    Contagious Disease Outbreaks

    Hopefully by summer this outbreak will have run its course. The council in your area will need to see what the laws say about the issue for non school organizations.
  13. WisconsinMomma

    I HATE the new YPT rules

    What information has the mom been given about the patrol method. Has she taken BSA boy scout level training? Has she been coached? Invite her to join the adults patrol then hang around your adults patrol campfire and start up the relationship. The 6 y.o. can hang with the adult patrol too. Or, find some other female leaders into your adult patrol so you have better coverage next time. People don't just know the patrol method. They need information and coaching. Send her to Wood Badge! It's hard to listen to the complaints that a) parents don't do anything, and b) parents do too much! Parents need to be taught their roles in the Troop too.
  14. My boys use Osprey Ace backpacks and my oldest uses a Marmot Neverwinter sleeping bag. We got one of the backpacks on Ebay and the sleeping bag off Craigslist.
  15. WisconsinMomma

    Qualities of an Eagle

    I have no problems running off a good old boy who does not respect the current families in the Troop or is an egomaniac. There is a reason why some people get nicer as they age, it's because they want to continue to be included and not sent off to the dust bin. A troop does not need a graybeard around to be successful. But if they happen to have a wonderful graybeard around, it's an asset. An elder who lives the Scout Law and is welcoming and kind to families is the kind of person you want around for a long time. All adult leaders are replaceable. Our troop is cycling through this . Older leaders whose kids have long gone are leaving. That is OK! That is normal. New parents are stepping up to help run fund raisers and serve as merit badge counselors. That is all very healthy stuff.
  16. WisconsinMomma

    Qualities of an Eagle

    My oldest son has two brothers. They are siblings. They are all in Scouts BSA. Soon we may have older Scouts in troops with younger sisters in Cubs. That's Scouts BSA. We may have brothers in one troop and sisters in another troop. That's Scouts BSA. We may have Scouts with older siblings in Venturing. That's Scouts BSA. And here's the thing, when you have Dad as a den leader and Mom running the popcorn sale, and sister in Venturing and Brother in Scouts, then that helps make a family stronger. And it helps make a community stronger.
  17. WisconsinMomma

    Qualities of an Eagle

    You know what's interesting is that we got new Scoutmasters this year (husband/wife team) and they have taken the training to heart. They are saying things like "you (Scouts) don't work for us, we work for you". They are moving the troop more towards Patrols than they have been in the past. Every local flavor will be a little different, but it's not like there's no hope!
  18. WisconsinMomma

    Qualities of an Eagle

    I didn't say boys, I said good old boys, and you know what that means. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_ol'_boy And I will add that any access to minors comes only with the permission of mom and dad, they are not the enemy. Scouting does belong to mom and dad and siblings, and we all have our roles and opportunities within the organization. I have three children in Scouting and I absolutely have influence in our troop. I have more influence than older Scouters whose children grew up and left decades ago, because it is my family and my kids. Scouting exists today because of our membership. No kids, no program. I have a lot of influence as a current parent and Cub leader because I'm connected to Cubs, I can help Troops recruit cubs, I make introductions between our Arrow of Light den leader and Scoutmasters, I tell young boys (and a couple girls) that when they get older, maybe they'll be a Boy Scout, like that's the best thing ever. I help create opportunities for Troops to work with our Cubs, which helps give boys volunteer hours and lets young scouts see the upper level program. I have relationships with a lot of families with children because my family has children. Our Lions now, if we are doing things well, will be new Scouts six years from now. So I am thinking 10 years ahead, not 20 years behind. All of this is very valuable to Scouting. Now, is that bad? Because the organization cannot run on old Scouters alone. We have to work together and if you don't like working with families, you'll have no one to work with. Here's an article about sexism in the middle east: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/may/02/majority-of-men-in-middle-east-north-africa-survey-believe-a-womans-place-is-in-the-home
  19. WisconsinMomma

    Qualities of an Eagle

    It's not the good old boy club anymore! And I"ve been in Scouting for 5 years, thank you very much.
  20. WisconsinMomma

    Qualities of an Eagle

    Here's the thing, it's not funny. My husband had a Chemistry professor who told him something like, "the taller they are, the more fun they are to ride." Is that a joke? Is it funny? Is it Chemistry? This is the kind of garbage that goes around and it's inappropriate.
  21. WisconsinMomma

    Qualities of an Eagle

    It might be a much more valuable and Scout-like lesson to talk to boys about what they should give in a relationship, more than what they can get. What makes a relationship a win-win for a husband and wife, and there's a lot more to it than he's the paycheck and she's the maid. If I heard that you were teaching my boys about your vision of spouse selection we'd be having a conversation where I'd be asking you to stick to the Scout Handbook. You are welcome to have that conversation with your own children all day long but it's not your scope of practice to train mine in that subject matter. I have some suggestions for my children about choosing a mate, but they are for my family only.
  22. WisconsinMomma

    Qualities of an Eagle

    Rural India and the Middle East are extremely sexist. In addition to this dowry burning, in parts of rural India women are expected to burn themselves to death, and celebrated for it, when their husbands die. All of this is treating women as property https://www.smh.com.au/world/india-burning-brides-and-ancient-practice-is-on-the-rise-20150115-12r4j1.html https://scroll.in/article/874185/decades-after-india-outlawed-sati-a-temple-to-a-victim-in-bundelkhand-draws-scores-of-devotees I think it serves everyone better to make sure the boys and girls can manage their own cooking and chores. I think demeaning the criteria is better than demeaning women.
  23. WisconsinMomma

    Online Grocery Orders

    Just wanted to share that I'm using WalMart online grocery shopping for our Pack camping trip this weekend. Placed the whole order online and I will pick up the whole thing after lunch on Friday. Many grocery stores have online ordering and it saves a lot of time. It's also convenient to plan and order from home and calculate things like serving sizes and cost comparisons on the computer. If I ever am in charge of grocery shopping for the troop, I will teach the Scouts how to use this method.
  24. WisconsinMomma

    Qualities of an Eagle

    This sounds a little bit like how wives are chosen and treated in the backwoods of less developed countries -- a woman is chosen as a worker and treated like a slave / donkey, and the man goes and finds beauty and love and spreads his seed around with mistresses. Absolutely ridiculous.
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    Online Grocery Orders

    Right now I am shopping for Cubs, for the whole Pack, and it's all adult-driven so the online stuff is great. I am not sure why a Patrol could not have a meeting and go the online shopping together at their meeting, but this is a helpful service that's great at the Cub level.
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