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  1. Treflienne

    Questions about a "boy led" troop

    Which edition do you recommend? There seem to be a lot of different years' versions available cheap second hand. What is a good one?
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    Qualities of an Eagle

    The problems of English not disinguishing between you-singular and you-plural. Do you read this as "if you (a hard worker) choose a spouse who is also a hard worker (and not just pretty/handsome) then you two together may camp more and work double-shifts less? Or do you read this as "you will be able to goof off while your wife works"? The problems of internet comumication where we cannot see our listeners' mis-understanding in their eyes, and correct it before it really takes root. Maybe I've been paying too much attention to what Quazse has been saying about girl venturers (it is generally complimentary) and the positives for girls in Scouts BSA, so I did not read this into his words. And has he himself indicated (see next quote) that was not what he was advocating. But I do agree that poor treatment of women in certain eras and certain locations has been a problem. So, if we adults are having occasional difficulties with understanding each other within the limits of the Internet, what about kids these days? I find it disturbing that many elementary schoolers in my area have, for the last few years, had their own smart-phones (sometimes as hand-me-downs from parents). What were their parents thinking? Kids that age are not yet mature enough not to blurt out comments without thinking. At least in person they can see if they are offending their friends, and clarify or appologize right away. But on electronic media foolish impulsive remarks, or even simply less-than-100% crystal clear remarks, can linger long and can provoke negative overreactions on the parts of others.
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    Qualities of an Eagle

    So I am hoping to be involved with a new girls Scouts BSA troop. I would like to see the patrol method used, and used well, in the new troop. Any suggestions for how to foster a Patrol Method culture in a new troop (whether the new troops be girls, boys, or Martians) ? I have already read the books Working the Patrol Method by Four Eagle Scouts and So Far, So Good! by Clarke Green And there is the complication that a new troop is likely to be a one-patrol troop at first.
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    Who do you contact for TTFC?

    Trail To First Class? (A guess from an ignoramus)
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    New girls in Scouting

    Your son is not a registered girl scout if he is under age 18. (The only boys who are allowed to register are those who call themselves girls!) But I believe it is possible (though I never learned how to do it) to sign up for extra insurance for non-registered participants.
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    New girls in Scouting

    Sounds to me like you are already doing "Family Scouting" -- just unofficially in a GSUSA context. It also sounds like both the girls and the boy are having a good experience on these trips. Does this mean that there is hope that some units within BSA might make a good thing out of "Family Scouting"?
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    New girls in Scouting

    If it ain't broke don't fix it. It sounds like your daughter has a great (girl) scout troop. Sounds like something to stick with. With a core group on enthusiastic girls and adults they can stick with traditional outdoor-oriented girl scouting, and simply ignore any of the new program materials they don't like. Unfortunately highly active outdoor-focussed girl scout troops are uncommon in my area.
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    New girls in Scouting

    I see that there is a certain amount of consolidation, especially for kids who are close enough in age to be in cubs at the same time. The kids will occasionally do things together: both dens at the same pack meetings and whole-pack activities, rather than the boy cub den doing pack-wide activities with the pack and the girl Brownie Troop doing service-unit-wide activites with the girl scout service unit. The adults only need to learn one set of program materials, one set of safety standards, do only need one registration, and one background check, and somewhat overlapping trainings, to help with more than one kid. (By the way, the camp director of our local Girl Scout camp, who was a trainer of archery instructors (USA Archery), used to complain that she could not help her sons' boy scout troop with archery unless she did more training, because she had not completed the BSA archery training.)
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    Starting a new troop: Budget items

    There are an overwhelming number of tents available for sale, all different types. A reccomendation of what to buy, that would be suitable for scouts camping with the troop, would be helpful for the families, if you decide to go this route.
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    New girls in Scouting

    Even if there were studies that showed that girls were, on average, paid more attention to organizational details, that doesn't remove the worth of the patrol method for the girls. Firstly, because averages are just that. There is also a broad distribution, for both girls and boys, of instinctive organizational skill levels. Some girls are a lot less naturally organized than some boys. Also patrols are not merely about learning to be organized. They are also about learning leadership in a kid-sized setting. They are about having the opportunity to try, and to mess up, and to overcome those mistakes --- all in a kid-sized setting. I would argue that the differences between boys and girls mean that single gender patrols are the way to go --- so that the girls don't end up doing the cooking while the boys do something else. Of course, since the troops won't be coed, neither will the patrols.
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    We asked all the moms, at the beginning of each year, to register and do the background check so that they would be available to volunteer occasionally. Most did. (And some dads did also.) No one complained about the cost. Of couse, if it is a long-running policy then people are used to it and it is not a surprise. Also, the GSUSA background check only required filling out a short form so a CORI check could be done --- there was no hour-long YPT class required.
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    Linked Troop Mission Statement

    I've seen plenty of complaints that parents of boys moving up from cubs just don't understand Scouting and how it is different from cubbing. So even if the new girls have younger brothers in cubs, it wont mean that their parents are familiar with how a Scout Troop works. And parents of only girls, who are coming in from Girl Scouts, are going to understand even less about BSA. Family sizes tend to be small. A lot of prospective members will not have an older brother at all, much less one who is active in Scouts.
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    Linked Troop Mission Statement

    I've got a request for the moderators: How about a subforum on "Practical advice for launching a girls Scouts BSA troop" under the "Open Discussion - Program" forum. We've currently got a couple of good discussions going: this one ("Linked Troop Mission Statement") and also "New Scout Troop" that would fit there already. And I imagine there will be more in the upcoming months. And it would help people looking for advice be able to find this good advice more easily.
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    Qualities of an Eagle

    A tangential question from an outsider, here: How much does the CO influence the understanding of "morally straight" and "clean"? How much does the CO set the tone for helping the scouts learn how to make ethical choices? (Side question: is the 11th point of BSA's law, "clean", understood as being similar in meaning to the "clean" in Baden-Powell's tenth law (which was never adopted by BSA) "A Scout is clean in thought, word and deed."?) Back to the orginial questions, would a CO with clearly-defined moral standards (such as a Catholic church) influence the troop's understanding of what it means to be straight rather than crooked in behaviour? What about CO's such as hunting clubs, utility companies, businessmen's associations? Do they tend to be more hands-off on these issues, leaving it to the troop to figure out? Why am I asking? I'm hoping to be involved with a new girls Scouts BSA troop. Don't know yet which of the local CO's for boys troops might be interesting in sponsoring a girls troop, also. Don't know how much impact the culture of the CO typically has on the culture of the troop.
  15. And for some types of social media there is the age issue. You either have to be at least 13 years old, or lie about your age and claim to be 13 years old to use them. This is awkward for things that should not be excluding the younger kids, since we don't want to encourage them to lie about their ages. (Haven't seen this issue in BSA yet, since I'm not associated with a BSA troop yet. But the issue came up with the church youth group.)