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  1. Eagle94-A1

    On making a graceful transition ...

    Very glad to hear you have been discharged and are on the road to full recovery. Good luck.
  2. Eagle94-A1

    Scouts BSA Girls’ Uniform +

    Someone on FB commented that the girls' book will have the 2018 requirements in them. MacScouter.com has not posted anything about 2019 requirements.
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    Scouts BSA Girls’ Uniform +

    Did anyone catch the "updated requirements for 2019?" Has anyone heard they changed requirements yet again ( 2015, 2016, 2018.)? Interested because my oldest is 2 Eagle required MBs away, and a project. don't want any last minute changes affecting him. He's already been through enough with the old troop. Doesn't need any more garbage
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    Irate potential cubmaster

    Correct, he was not registered. But he may try to submit the application directly to the council. I know that applications missing signatures will sometimes slip by. And I know of a case where the signatures were forged.
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    Irate potential cubmaster

    I strongly recommend you inform council,. That way they can get off your charter ASAP, and can have their access to SCOUTBOOK, and unit related online sources terminated. Grant you, the "CM" is not even registered,but it is a good idea. The DL that was removed has access to the pack's Be.A.Scout.org info, Internet Advancement. and other stuff. It got really crazy.
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    Irate potential cubmaster

    We had a DL who tried to take over. It got bad fast. Long story short we got the DE, COR, CC, CM, and the SM ( this DL also started on the SM as well) involved. A letter was written to her and the council registrar, with a cc to the Scout Exec, stating A) that her services as a DL were no longer needed with the pack, and B) she was no longer allowed on on the church's property. I believe a restraining order barring her from the church was done as well. This was her 2nd pack in my district. From dealing with the problem above, and dealing with parents trying to take over a Scout troop, if you do not nip it in the bud now, the problem will get worse. People will leave because of him. Problem above was nipped in the bud, and nobody left. The parents problem was left to fester for over a year, and families have left or are considering leaving.
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    My kids love scouts, but....

    I had a similar problem, but it involved adults. My sons expressed their opinions on the problem adults to me, the SM, and the oldest to his BOR ( middle son had both problem makers on his BORs) Other Scouts complained about the behavior.. Problems got worse and worse. I finally had enough, and left the troop. BEST. DECISION.I. MADE! ( caps, underline, and bold for major emphasis). I admit, I miss my Scouts and my Scouter friends in the other troop, but the decision to leave was the best one. The attitudes my sons have towards the new trrop are a 180 degree turn around. Instead of dreading camp outs, they are now looking forward to them.
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    Investiture Ceremony?

    In my troop growing up, it was done as soon as they completed the paperwork and earned Scout rank,which was usually about 3-4 weeks after their first visit to the troop. Sometimes it was faster. I transferred into the troop as a Tenderfoot, and as soon as I turned in the paperwork, I was invested in the troop. Troop I just left did it at the first Court of Honor after they earned Scout. They made a big deal out of it in front of the families. Like I mentioned, IMHO the Cross Over Ceremony seems to have replaced the Investiture Ceremony. I don't have a problem with Cross Over Ceremonies, heck I use to do them as a youth with the OA, But lately I see kids going though the Cross Over Ceremony with a troop, then never showing up again. Troop I just left had 4 Webelos Cross Over in December. 1 out of the 4 showed up at the first meeting of the year, 2 of the 4 were visiting other troops, and 1 is MIA.
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    What's in a name?

    Actually the Skill Awards came out before teh the Cub Scout belt loops. But yyes, I think folks hate the SAs because of the ISP. but I liked them when I was in Socuts in the mid to late 80s.
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    What's in a name?

    I know it is moot, but would you please provide some links to your stats? I have combed BSA pubs and websites and all I can find are the non-member results. I do realize the surveys were manipulated. First, National announced the town halls right before jamboree, when most of the council key threes were going. Second they limited the time frame the surveys would be conducted, with 2 or 3 of the weeks to do them in being Jamboree weeks. Third National limited those who could take the survey to those who went to a town hall. I was one of about 15 people who could make the first town hall in my council as they announced it on 3 days notice. I do not know how many attended the second one, but a large group attended the third, most ly against the change. However that town hall was done after the deadline, and they were unable to take the poll. Lastly, the questions were so biased towards allowing girls in, it was over the top obvious that National wanted this decision. And then you got the June 2017 applications with gender neutral language for the Cub Scout Pack and Boy Scout Troop sections. Go back even further, you have an Exploring Program exec head of strategy who becomes CSE. I believe the decision was already made, and the surveys were an attempt to give it legitimacy.
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    What's in a name?

    Would you please post where you got those results? I have been looking everywhere, and cannot find the results of the membership poll BSA took after teh town halls in 2017. All the stats I have seen comes from non-member surveys. I know in my neck of the woods, it is no where close to 75% for the membership change. Maybe 35-40 overall, and youth is more like 5% for.
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    Investiture Ceremony?

    The Spirit of Scouting candle is the one candle that lights all the rest. In the cermeony above, that candle is held by the PL to lead the new Scout into the room. Handed off to the SPL who then lights the 15 candles onthe logs.
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    Investiture Ceremony?

    Scout Investiture- PL, SPL, and SM Lights go out and the room is illuminated by a single candle, the Spirit of Scouting, on a table at the front of the room. Also on the table are two log candelabras, one holding three candles, and the other twelve. The Senior Patrol Leader and Scoutmaster are behind the table. The candidate(s) for membership wait in the back along with their Patrol Leader(s). When all is ready, the patrol leader(s) lead the candidate(s) down the aisle to the table where the candle is burning.) Halfway to the front, the SPL stops the New Scout and PL. SPL: HALT. Who are you bringing into our troop PL: I bring (SCOUT'S NAME(S) 0 who wants to join Troop xx and has earned his Scout Rank SPL: Bring him forward. PL brings the new Scout forward and stands beside them. SPL picks up the lighted candle: SPL: “This candle represents the spirit of Scouting. As we welcome you into the fellowship of Troop XX we want you to stop and think about what it means to be a Scout. Besides going on outings and camping trips, it’s doing you best to live up to the Scout Oath and Law. Please make the Scout Sign and repeat after your Patrol Leader the Scout Oath and Law.” PL will say the Scout Oath in sections. The SPL will light the three candles of the Scout Oath candelabra when the new Scout(s) say “To God and My Country” “To Help Other People” and “To Keep Myself….” PL: “On my Honor… …I will do my best… …to do my duty… …TO GOD AND MY COUNTRY… …to obey the Scout Law… …TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE AT ALL TIMES… …TO KEEP MYSELF… …physically strong… …mentally awake… …and morally straight.” PL will now slowly say the Scout Law. The SPL will light each candle when the new Scout repeat each point. PL: “A Scout is TRUSTWORTHY... … LOYAL… …HELPFUL… …FRIENDLY… …COURTEOUS… …KIND… …OBEDIENT… …CHEERFUL… …THRIFTY… …BRAVE… …CLEAN… … and REVERENT.” SPL now places the Spirit of Scouting candle on the table. SM: “When you entered the room, the only light was a single candle representing the Spirit of Scouting, the fun and adventure of your program. It didn’t provide a lot of light, and you could see very little. Then your Patrol Leader led you into the room, The Senior Patrol Leader, the chief scout of Troop XX stopped you and asked if you were ready to join the troop. When your patrol Leader answered for you, and brought you to the front. Your Patrol Leader then had you repeat the Scout Oath and Law, making you a Boy Scout. As you said the Oath, the Senior Patrol Leader lit a candle representing the three points of the Scout Oath: Duty to God and Country, Duty to Others, and Duty to Self. Then the Senior Patrol Leader lit the 12 candles representing the 12 points of the Scout Law. With the 15 candles lit, the room became brighter, a beacon for all to see. By living the Scout Oath and Law in your lives, you will become a beacon for others. Now that you are Boy Scout, you will receive three items tonight.” SPL: “The first item you will receive tonight is your troop neckerchief. It is one of the original Scout uniform items still in use, and that is because it is the most useful. On it you will see our troop number, XX and our hometown so all will know who you are. It is worn under an open collar. I give you this charge, DO NOT BE THE FIRST TO DISGRACE IT.” PL raises the collar and SPL places the neckerchief on the Scout. SPL: The second item you will receive is your troop woggle. A Scout Woggle is made of cord and it has three braided strands. The three strands stand for the three principals of the Scout Oath: Duty to God and Country, Duty to Self, Duty to Others. The woggle is tied in a circular manner to resemble a neverending knot to symbolize the unity of Scouting. The color red was chosen because it represents our charter organization, XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Methodist Church. SPL hands woggle(s) to PL(s) and the PL places the woggle on the neckerchief SM: The last item you will receive tonight is you Scout Rank. The shape of the Scout Rank is the arrowhead or Fleur-de Lis used as the North Point on mariners’ compasses. It represents that Scouting points you the right way in your life just like a compass in the field. It is the basic shape that all Scout badges build upon, and it is the international symbol of Scouting worldwide. Let’s welcome our newest Scout with a round of applause. Pause SPL TO PL AND NEW SCOUT. You two may now be seated pAUSE. SPL: I now declare this Court of Honor open for business.
  14. I admit it's been 8 years since I last taught a Cub Scout Training course. Closest I've been to CS training is doing the February through June 2015 Roundtables which went over the 2015 Cub Scout program changes. With online training. and lack of a training chairman, we have not had CS leader training in some time. So I have no idea on the new training. So this is for the folks who have done it recently: How Long did it take and did it actually help? For those who have taken older courses and the new ones: is there anything missing from the new courses? I ask because on one of the FB groups I'm in, I see all kinds of basic questions that should have been answered in training and just reading the leader books.
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    What's in a name?

    Agree completely. Heck I even told the then national Venturing director in May 1998 that having a new program with a similar name to an existing one AND using the same unit designation for the new program that is in use for the existing program is a major mistake.
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    What's in a name?

    Actually the older kids are VENTURERS, not Venture Scouts. Venture Scouts was the term used for members of the older Scout patrol, called a venture crew from August 1, 1989 to July 31, 1998, and venture patrol from August 1, 1998 until some time in the mid to late 2000s. Designations for youth are the following: CUB SCOUTS and their subsets LIONS, TIGERS, WOLVES, BEARS, WEBELOS and some say ARROW OF LIGHTS SCOUTS both males and females SEA SCOUTS VENTURERS and if Exploring is now under traditional Scouting, then EXPLORERS. Do STEM Scouts still exist?
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    Investiture Ceremony?

    No, not unique to GSUSA, just supplanted by the Cross Over Ceremony.
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    Investiture Ceremony?

    If I can find the one I use, I'll post. My understanding is that when Cross Over became den based vs age based int he 1970s or 80s, I crossed over as a den in 1985, Investiture Ceremonies started dying out. Some old troops like the one I grew up in, kept the Investiture Ceremony. We did it as soon as they earned their Scout Badge, now Scout Rank, and it was a candlelight ceremony with SM, SPL and PL(s). That is when they received their badge, neckerchief, woggle, and a troop totem. The troop I just left now does an Investiture Ceremony based upon my old troop's ceremony. It is done at the opening of Court of Honors if there is anyone getting Scout Rank. Not only is it traditional, there are ceremonies going back to BP, but also financially practical. The Cub Scout pack that feeds the troop does not do a very good job preparing Webelos to become Cub Scouts, and we have a 50% attrition rate in 6 months. The neckers and woggles are custom made, and about $20/set. One year we gave out 9 of them at the Cross Over, and 5 of those Scouts either didn't show up after Cross Over, or quit within 6 months not even earning Scout Rank. They had 4 Scouts "join" the troop last month. I know for a fact 2 didn't show up to their first meeting because they were visiting other troops that night and the next. I am really worried about them.
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    Scouts BSA Handbook for Girls?

    Any idea when the 14th ed for for boys will be available?
  20. Eagle94-A1

    Mess kit cooking

    Forget the mess kit. Get a Dutch Oven. 😁
  21. Eagle94-A1

    IOLS TEST OUT OPTION!!!!

    Back in 2010, there was a test out. Wish there was one again. Instead I have used folks who need the couirse to staff and teach those sections they are experts in. it works.
  22. @fred8033 I guess it all relates to relationships to local nations. Growing up, once the chapter and lodge decided to "go local" we got a lot of support from the local nation. We had Native Americans in the lodge, one being a chapter adviser, that helped.We had elders and council members coming out to help us get it right. Found out we were restablishing the relationship with them. When the lodge's AIA group was really active years earlier, they contributed to research and awareness of them to get state recognition, and was helping them in their appeal for federal recognition. In my current lodge, we have an extremely good relationship with several local nations. Heck a bunch of Native American Arrowmen, got together at OA events and formed a drum that is popular on the east coast powwow circuit.
  23. Did it several times. First time was in the 1993-1998 time frame, as a youth and adult Arrowman. It was not intentional, but something sparked AIA, and it grew in the chapter and lodge. In 2001-2004 did it deliberately to start a chapter that died. Started with the drum and singers, moved out to dancing, then ceremony teams. Last time was the 2007-2010 time frame. Reignited my chapter using AIA, and it spread to the lodge. While my chapter has slowly died when my replacement chapter chief stepped down and no one was willing to step up. That was about 2014 or thereabouts
  24. Spot on. My chapter was dying out because all the chapter did was "work work work." No ceremony teams (an aside, one of the reasons the teams died out was because they went to black robes after doing Philmont's OA Trail Crew. Many in my council considered them "Satanic" and threatened to quit OA and Scouting.), no fun days, didn't even go to conclave or lodge fellowship events because they always corresponded to Cub Scout events the OA ran a fundraiser at. OA was known as "slave labor." It took two years, but we had a 180 degree turn around. While getting the Cub folks to change event dates helped a lot, and we planned fun events, the #1 reason for the improvement was American Indian Affairs (AIA) consisting of ceremonies, singers, and dancers. People started seeing us outside of working all the time. We inspired Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts with our ceremonies (another aside, current lodge chief got his motivation to join the OA from his Cross Over Ceremony we did ), and it reinvigorated the chapter.
  25. As Thunderbird points out, people do not care about history. Just as people today do not remember that the OA was founded before Native Americans were citizens, who could not speak their languages or perform their religious and social ceremonies in the open, and thus the OA worked with Native American nations to preserve their heritage, no one will remember the original meaning of the fasces. They will only remember Mussolini and his use of the fasces and his work with Hitler.
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