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  1. shortridge

    2018 Membership numbers are in

    Support for Venturing varies widely. In my entire council, I count around five Venturing crews - and two are for camp staff registration. Aside from keeping 18-20 youth involved, there’s not much of an obvious rationale for the program. And with girls able to join Scouts BSA now, I’m not sure it’s much longer for this world. My council *is* heavily promoting Explorer Posts, by contrast.
  2. I’m doing some preliminary research for an academic project and am hoping to get some perspective from unit-serving Scouters on these questions: - With youth, what is your biggest problem in skills instruction? (Examples: Scouts having difficulty learning knots and lashings; Scouts not having access to key tools or equipment; youth and adult instructors lack certain skills themselves; Enviro Science report-writing is a major obstacle; summer camp staff does not properly test for completion, etc.) - With adults, what is your biggest problem in leader training? (Examples: YPT is too dull; IOLS doesn’t cover certain skills or is too theoretical and not hands-on enough; SM Specific doesn’t devote enough to a certain method; trainers don’t explain the topic enough at the start or ask for feedback at the end, etc.). I’m trying to cast a wide net, so any items would be appreciated. Thank you!
  3. shortridge

    Can a CO profit off a unit?

    The contortions here are astounding. Parents only see the DRP language on the youth application, which clearly states their beliefs are the ones that matter. They may not even know who the CO is at that point! They certainly don’t see the charter language. Yet by all means, let’s permit COs to override a family’s religious beliefs and target a bunch of unsuspecting youth for conversion! Listen to yourselves here, folks. If I send my Jewish daughter to a Scout troop chartered to a Catholic Church, I am not expecting that she’ll come home from a campout talking about the glory of Jesus. That ain’t right. COs that use Scouting units as part of their conversion and recruitment ministries should be up front and straightforward - say, Trustworthy? - about their intentions and how they run the unit. If they don’t do that, I would seriously call into question their honesty and integrity.
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    Can a CO profit off a unit?

    David, your correction of a single word does not change the fundamental point that the Declaration of Religious Principle, which all parents and Scouters must agree with, clearly states that religion is the family’s domain, not the CO’s. I will restate with the correct word: The term “organization or group” refers to the family’s religious organization, if any, not the unit-owning entity.
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    Can a CO profit off a unit?

    “The Boy Scouts of America, therefore, recognizes the religious element in the training of the member, but it is absolutely nonsectarian in its attitude toward that religious training. Its policy is that the home and the organization or group with which the member is connected shall give definite attention to religious life.” - Declaration of Religious Principle That says nothing about the chartered organization. The term “organization or group” refers to the family’s religious organization, if any, not the unit-sponsoring entity. This is the only guidance that the BSA gives its families on religion in Scouting. There is not a word even remotely suggesting to parents that the group or business providing a meeting place and financial support will try to sneak around and convert their children. Rather, the emphasis is on how “the home” governs a Scout’s religious obligations. It’s sad that some COs blatantly ignore this key Scouting principle in favor of their own narrow self-interest. Sorry about the giant font. Pasting text does that for me. ( fixed - RS)
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    Can a CO profit off a unit?

    Where is the disclosure to Hindu or Jewish families that they are signing up to be preached at by joining a troop chartered by a Christian church? There is none, and for a church to take advantage of that relationship is pathetic.Scouting is specifically promoted as a nonsectarian organization open to all who agree with the DRP.
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    Can a CO profit off a unit?

    Where’s the giant eye-roll emoji? Give me a break. If an adult walks through the doors of your church voluntarily to worship or check things out, then yes, try to convert them all you want. But if a kid walks through your doors to join Scouting, unless you have prepped them in advance and unless your unit is explicitly and overtly part of your ministry to get more people to join your church — they are NOT “fair game.” There is nothing about the Scouting program that makes them such. There is no disclosure in any of the application or program materials that they may be viewed or targeted that way. If you are using Scouting in that way, then you are utterly misusing Scouting. My kid who wants to hang with her friends and go camping is not your conversion prospect. No one is restricting you from practicing your faith anywhere. All I’m saying is if that is your approach, be honest and up front when a Scout signs up. Since you dodged the question, I’ll ask again: Where does it say that a CO is allowed to proselytize to the youth in its Scouting unit’s and treat Scouting families as members of the CO? Is that in the unit application? The charter agreement? Please, please show me.
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    Can a CO profit off a unit?

    David, I would ask you to show me where in any Scouting documentation Scouts and their families are informed that a CO will treat them as members. You won’t find it, because it doesn’t exist. That is not the normal relationship between a CO and its Scouts. When I was a member of two troops as a youth, my family wasn’t a member of the American Legion, nor were we members of the United Methodist Church. If the church had said “We consider you members now!” I darn sure would have run to the troop next town over. I’m here for Scouting, not to make someone’s religion feel warm and fuzzy. If a CO shoves its doctrine down my throat, I’m gone and taking as many Scouts with me as possible. That said: If you are up front about it - restricting membership in the unit to only members of your faith - that is an entirely different thing. Be honest with your Scouts at the outset and make your unit’s expectations and practices clear. But please don’t try some back-door “Oh, you’re one of us!” job here. That smacks of proselytizing and conversion, and us non-Christians have had enough of that. This has gone off the original topic, and I apologize. I’d be happy to move this discussion to the Faith and Chaplaincy forum! 🤨
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    Can a CO profit off a unit?

    Do you tell your unit’s Scouts that? It’s a very broad, sweeping statement that is not supported by the Scouting program.
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    School Newspaper

    Suggest that he research Hazelwood: https://splc.org/high-school-faqs/
  11. shortridge

    2019 GUIDE TO SAFE SCOUTING

    Under G2SS, no. There are plenty of registered 21+ adults at the summer camp, and summer camp is the “activity.” However, your camp may have specific rules about having X number of leaders in camp that have to be followed.
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    Scouts and UFOs

    Just don’t go messing with any Chitauri artifacts.
  13. shortridge

    Snow Days?

    My daughter’s school has had two snow days so far. We had two in-service days classified as weather contingencies, so students now have to come in those days - but don’t have to stay longer into the summer. Fingers crossed that’ll be it.
  14. I think this is a separate issue, however. A unit doesn’t have to supply two-deep leadership for a broader activity like an MBU that allows individual Scout registration. (See also: den chief training, OA events.) So that doesn’t affect your 16yo Scout. To be open to female Scouts, the event organizers would just have to make sure there is an adult female 21+ registered leader present and all the other YP rules are being followed.
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    Blue & Gold cost

    I’d never heard of charging to attend a B&G, to be honest. My experience has always been a giant potluck in a donated hall with donated placemats; dens do centerpieces and nut/mint cups; pack covers plates, cups, utensils, and napkins. Making it a moneymaker would leave a bad taste in my mouth, frankly. If you need to charge, cover your costs and leave it at that.
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