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  1. ParkMan

    Denied a court of honor.

    I looked around your troop website and cannot seem to find a time for the meeting. Often they list this on the troop website, but they didn't here. Sorry.
  2. ParkMan

    Denied a court of honor.

    Good. However, from what you just described sounds like district level meetings. A roundtable is a training meeting for district leaders. They fellows you mention are district level people. A district is the city/county level organizational grouping within Scouting. There's usually about 50 troops and packs in a single district. You need to find the Troop Committee meeting. This is the leadership meeting for just your troop. It's different. Feel free to PM me your troop number and I'll see if I can find it for you. It seems counter-intuitive, but individual troops do not report to the district level people. The way the BSA is setup, a single troop is an autonomous entity. District staff are usually quite well connected in Scouting, but they don't hold much too sway over a given troop.
  3. ParkMan

    Denied a court of honor.

    Hi @Mich08212, I'm a Troop Committee Chair and have been for a while. Why not just go to the next committee meeting and ask what's up? They are all generally public meetings. If someone came to ours and had a question like this, we'd take the time to answer.
  4. ParkMan

    New and comprehensive Family scouting FAQs issued:

    I'm terribly sorry to hear about the frustration this has brought yoh. You've brought a lot to this forum. If this ends up being it - I wish you the very best.
  5. Barry, You don't know me. I did not start name calling. I think you started the self righteousness comments towards me. I've bent over backwards to make my point without criticizing anyone's beliefs. I simply said that I am concerned that given the consistent comments in this discussion about transgender kids not being normal it would become spill over into similar comments to this kids themselves. Is that such a stretch when we had a post from one of our members who didn't even want to even be in the same summer camp as transgender kids? In other places, I'd say that a number of the posts use "charged words" - language which is itself inflammatory. I am far from a progressive liberal. I've been a registered Republican all my life, generally vote conservative, listen to Fox news, frustrate my much more liberal family. Yet, I will admit that I struggle with this forum. I appreciate that we have this place to share experiences, but I find there is a very conservative tone that is very negative about these kinds of issues. If we were debating politics, I would take a very different tone. But, so many of these topics are about excluding groups of people from Scouting. Don't let in gays or transgender people - that's basically what we're talking about. I only spend my time on it here because this isn't a local forum. You want to sit around with your local friends and make comments about kids in Scouting - fine. But, this is a national forum. It is not local. So, please don't be surprised when people who live these issues make a counterpoint.
  6. Many kids who go through this do not change their biology. For them, they do not need to. They already feel that they are the other gender and so physical steps are not necessary. But, yes, some do. Again - all I'm asking is that we be mindful of the rhetoric around the Scouts - all the Scouts. You may not have yet met a transgender kid, but it is coming. These kids have hard enough life as it is. @Hedgehog's crew sounds like a great group. If you are some day faced with these kinds of decisions please simply do the same.
  7. I met the first kid I knew who was coming to terms with with gender identity questions about 5 years ago. The kid has not transitioned, but was clearly trying to figure things out. In the back of my mind I thought - it has to be easier if the parent stops this. Over time I got to know the kid and realized he was like every other kid - but his struggle was gender identity. About two years ago I found out that a kid that I have known for his whole life was going to counseling for gender identity issues. I've known this kid all his life. He's a wonderful kid - has the same struggles as others- school, friends, parents, etc. He has the added challenge of dealing with his gender identity. He's been in weekly counselling since then. His parents struggled with it and pushed back pretty hard. They talked to counsellor after counsellor. They eventually figured out that they needed to simply support him. What I've come to learn is that transgender kids are kids first. They want to be accepted and loved - it's just a whole lot harder for them because to them being normal means being accepted as having a gender they were not born with.
  8. It's covered in the interview. He makes it pretty clear it is up to the CO.
  9. It's the tone of the way people refer to it here. Such as: On the surface it seems innocuous enough. But, it leads me to be concerned that folks will treat transgender kids as an oddity or even . This topic is full of comments about how they don't think transgender kids are "normal". I'm an optimist, bu t it's hard to trust that all the folks who commented here are going to warmly embrace a transgender scout in their troops.
  10. My understanding is that each troop is to work with the scouts parent and the BSA professional staff to develop the processes that makes sense for that youth and the other Scouts. It could include sharing tents if everyone felt it was appropriate. I saw a doc from one of the councils with details - but cannot seem to find it now.
  11. I mean this in the nicest way possible - but it does not matter to me what your personal beliefs are on this topic. My point is that as Scouters we need to leave our personal feelings on this topic at home. If a transgender kid shows up in your troop you need to accept him and support his involvement in Scouting. The scout should never know that you disagree with the guidance of his family (and probably a healthy number of professionals) on his gender identity. Again - it's is not our place as Scouters to do discourage Scouts who are transgender. I'm making this point because it would be wrong for me to leave the impression that it's okay for Scouters to be offensive to transgender Scouts. Of course there is an exception is for units where the CO objects. But - that's not what we're talking about here.
  12. In my experience no parent wants the harder life the being transgender brings. If you really don't believe that a kid is transgender, then report it as abuse.
  13. I know two transgender youth. I am not an expert of the topic, but understand it well enough to know where we need to start advocating on their behalf. Yes - these boys face a difficult life. The last thing they need is a bunch of Scout leaders trying to tell them they are not normal. My point was - and continues to be - that you need to leave these beliefs at home. These kids need a little normalcy and the best thing you can do for them is to help them get it.
  14. The term is gender identity. @shortridge describes it a few posts up. In short - yes, if a person believes he is a boy, then his gender identity is that he is a boy. You may not personally believe that - and that's fine. But, in the context of Scouting - if a kid shows up and he and his parents say he is a boy - then yes, he's a boy. Outside of Scouting, feel free to challenge that. But, inside Scouting we support him.
  15. Actually saying they have a condition is offensive. You don't pretend they are a boy - you accept that they are a boy