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  1. Tonight was my last AOL Den Meeting. Scouts have 1 or 2 requirements here and there to complete, but all are essentially done. They are going to start attending Troop Meetings and getting to know the Scouts there. I started with Tigers 4 1/2 years ago. I have 3 Tigers left from that original group that are going to crossover.
    8 points
  2. I look back at all the things I learned in scouts and one of the most important, because it might have saved someone's life when I said "how do you know there's no bullet in the chamber?", was gun safety. Tool safety would be close. I just don't understand why the same idea behind teaching gun safety isn't used to teach other types of safety that could enhance the program.
    4 points
  3. Excessive risks for what? What is the negative outcome for the scout when he/she takes aim at a target depicting a creature, throws a ball at fellow scout in a catch-or-evade challenge, deploys a super-soaker instead of a mobile heat-stroke abatement device, attends a political rally in uniform, shares a tent with someone of the opposite sex, is one-on-one with a trained scouter, or spends an hour on the road to camp? What is the rate of negative outcome from the activity (per time involved therein) relative to: the rate of positive outc
    4 points
  4. This board is far too large to be effective. It is an audience not a board. BSA has been dying for 30 years…. I think I see one major reason here.
    3 points
  5. I’m not sure I can top that. It’s already a classic. I might frame it in memory of my life in the BSA Chapter 13 Pit of Despair. Still, I’m only mostly dead...there’s still time, however.
    3 points
  6. I will be CCing three Units. 🤪 I get how "Scouting" works, but I am not entirely comfortable with being a direct contact leader at the Troop level. So, going forward I think I will be on the Unit admin side of things and be available if the SM or ASM needs me
    3 points
  7. A few things: 1) Actually, RP stated that Kosnoff and KR had this thing in a knot long before the infamous email snafu by his firm, which he owned; 2) The PSZJ firm was going to pay all cost associated with the Ombudsperson, however; 3) He withdrew that motion and will redraft a new one based around the court’s authority and duty to force the three firms - though AVA just says, “Vote however you want, this firm of one has got new cats to skin” - to speak with through one communication/voice, however conflicting the advice. At least it needs to be in one letter. This is all built
    3 points
  8. Dodgeball? Pfftt. Here are Scouts playing Mumbly Peg. Now that can get you hurt.
    3 points
  9. Best wishes for a wonderful Thanksgiving from your moderation team. We are thankful for each and everyone of our forum participants!
    3 points
  10. “Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.” ― G. Michael Hopf, Those Who Remain Guess where we are now? 😜
    3 points
  11. "Equitable compensation" to survivors has never been the goal of the BSA in this bankruptcy. The only goal that the BSA had was to escape from underneath the liability for the least amount of money possible. The upper limit of 5 to 10K of potential victims was arrogance on their part. If that truly was the amount that they had to pay it still would not have been 150-300k payment on average just do the math...225K (average of 150 to 350) X 10,000 = 2.25 Billion. Initially BSA told LC's and CO's they would not have to contribute and they negotiated with Hartford for a max of 650M so where wa
    3 points
  12. Awesome! Always need strong committee members working the administrative side! If your want further advice, sing out 🤪🤪🤪
    2 points
  13. No, this bankruptcy was never about the 181 lawsuits that were already filed, it was about the hundreds or thousands more they knew would be coming after states started rolling back Statutes of Limitations in the face of the other CSA mass-torts (Nassar, Catholic Church, etc.). Putting a stay on the existing cases was just an added bonus. With tort claims of this nature, any settlement, bankruptcy or otherwise, was ALWAYS going to be a combination of BSA funds plus insurance payouts, with the insurance payouts being many times higher than the BSA contributions. In the individual cases that
    2 points
  14. @NealOnWheels and @69RoadRunner, there is a FB group dedicated to Dolly Sods. Lots of pictures, but also discusses issues like LNT, traffic, hunting, edible plant seasons, etc…
    2 points
  15. I was a Courier Post paperboy which, at the time, published Mon-Sat afternoon editions. Weather permitting, I delivered by bike, As I peddled past a house, I side-armed a folded newspaper like a boomerang from the street to front porch. The Philly papers and of course the Sunday editions were often too thick to throw. Too thick because of their greater sports coverage and classifieds sections (General, Technical, Professional, Medical, Part-Time) covering the Delaware Valley. Getting a Bulletin or Inquirer route was harder than getting a NYC taxi medallion. Occasionally I subbed on week
    2 points
  16. If your scouts like wilderness, that’s as good as it gets on the east coast. Note that wilderness recreation areas should not be traversed in groups larger than 10. When our troop and crew were large, we planned a different itinerary for each patrol.
    2 points
  17. Any of us can do that but the reason you don't want to is that if someone gets hurt while doing something that is banned by the BSA and could be considered negligent, you risk not being covered by insurance. You are not really rebelling against anything, you are just shifting some of the liability from BSA to yourself personally.
    2 points
  18. Fantastic ideas! And I grew up (allegedly) in Pittsburgh. Pierogis and Primanti's are on @qwazse
    2 points
  19. I can get a charcoal chimney just fine with some paper. Probably faster than lighter fluid. I wont even let my Webelos and AOL start a fire with a match. When I do fires in camp, I dont even use a match. Its a sore spot for me to see lighter fluid in the world. 😁
    2 points
  20. Appalachian Trail... any section hike is good. No group limits, lots of in-town options, etc. Here is a good tool... https://nps.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=6298c848ba2a490588b7f6d25453e4e0 Numerous loops are available from state forests and parks trails all along the AT to make logistics easier. Adirondacks... multiple options. Crew sizes are limited in areas. Cranberry Lake 50 Trail (actually, a series of interconnected trails) is a good option. https://cranberrylake50.org/ This trail is a circuit, so parking and logistics is easier. It's a long way fro
    2 points
  21. Boy, I'm not sure why you want to set people's teeth on edge before you offer input, but you sure do a good job at it. It's not the way I'd try and persuade folks, but I'll assume you have a reason. I put my scouts at risk at pretty much every camp-out, it's called "adventure". Last campout they went trail (bike) riding and we had 2 kids take headers off their bikes when they hit stuff. One kid got what I assume was a really really mild concussion cause he went headfirst into a tree (a little dizzy for 3-4 seconds), the other got a long shallow scrape down his wrist. They also used ha
    2 points
  22. @RichardB I know better than to not follow the rules. So I do my best to keep up with BSA policies to the point that I have often had to tell my council's professional staff what is and is not allowed by BSA as they are not aware of the latest rules. My biggest problem is that BSA continues to break the first point of the Scout Law, Trustworthy, with the repeated lie in the FAQ found here https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/prohibited-activities-faqs/ , that "Dodgeball has never been an authorized activity in Scouting." As I have shared with you and others repeatedly THA
    2 points
  23. Not to be mean or uncaring, but this is something with which adults simply found a way to deal with it, often with others in the group. But, taking it to extremes and thinking somehow a local, adult confrontation should be handled beyond the immediate unit is extreme, as I see it. Certainly the idea that somehow the National President somehow should be involved is surely not a real expectation, and really maybe not even the local head council executive. Guess I am viewing things from my age perspective. Today, for some reason, many people think they need to find a solution beyond the
    1 point
  24. Judge ruling on various discovery .... believes that it should proceed including information into the $3500 and how the claims were vetted. Most of the requests do not implicate privilege info, or they may, but discovery could be not privilege . In general, how the claims were obtained/vetted are likely not protected by privilege. She is opening up advertising, intake, proof of claim, how it was done ... pretty much everything.
    1 point
  25. I'm not sure this is true, but Kosnoff is stating (via Twitter) that the Coalition has votes they are not releasing as they are not good news. So they continue to fight to get voters to switch. I think it probably is underreported as the master spreadsheet ones are being held back. Now, if the votes were good news, I don't think BSA would be pushing (as is the Coalition) to push out the deadline. I also found it interesting that the TCC was actually somewhat against pushing out the deadline. So there could be some truth in Kosnoff's tweet.
    1 point
  26. United Methodist congregations will be encouraged to vote "no" to the proposed BSA restructuring plan. Reasons stated include inadequate compensation for the survivors of abuse and concerns that issues surrounding church liability have not been adequately addressed. UMC congregations who have previously submitted claims will be able to cast a single individual vote per congregation. Many conferences are conducting zoom meetings involving these congregations this weekend to review the proposal as well as the national ad hoc committee recommendations in order to submit the votes befor
    1 point
  27. @ThenNow It's good to see, um, read, you again. I've missed your colorful commentary and various pop culture/film/literary references!
    1 point
  28. "Clause 5. Membership. The Executive Committee shall be comprised of 12 members including: National Chair, National Chair- elect, National Commissioner, Immediate Past National Chair, Standing Committee Chairs, Chief Executive Officer, and two members-at-large recommended to the Nominating Committee by the National Chair or National Chair-elect. A board member serving on the Executive Committee for three consecutive four-year terms may be nominated to an additional four-year term on the Board if nominated to serve as the National Chair or National Chair-Elect or if serving as Imm
    1 point
  29. https://www.sumptionandwyland.com/resources/sumption-wyland-articles/what-is-the-right-size-for-your-nonprofits-board I am an employee of a formally large organization that nearly went bankruptcy. Nearly every article written blamed our board as one of the key factors. Our board size was too large ... we had 18 members.
    1 point
  30. Plus Venturing and Sea Scouting. Trust me it is so cool working with the High School + aged kids.
    1 point
  31. Now on to seven or so years of Scouts!
    1 point
  32. Yes, thanks...I am familiar...Longhouse Council. Their camp is just a bit further down the road than Sabbatis Adventure Camp...
    1 point
  33. This isn’t the judge’s first rodeo. Some of the coalition law firms are looking to be similar to some Talc law firms who didn’t do proper claims assessments. She ended up throwing out votes from these claims as they couldn’t be validated claimants. So, if these law firms cannot show how they vetted the claims within the next few weeks, I expect many of those votes could be tossed. This will likely help the anti plan side as the concentration of questionable claims seems to be owned primarily by coalition law firms. https://www.reuters.com/legal/transactional/ex-jj
    1 point
  34. Hell, my shop classes were all in middle school. The only pieces of equipment we absolutely weren't allowed to use were the table saw and the power miter saw. Even the band saw could be used, but only if the cut you needed to make allowed you to keep your hands 6" away from the blade and under the teacher's direct observation. The belt sander, jointer, planer, palm sander, drill press and lathe were all fair game. Though the lathe was only allowed for 8th graders and only with special dispensation from the teacher. I didn't understand why then, though I do now after seeing videos of lathe
    1 point
  35. Our troop always rolls our own. Great adventures at a fraction of the cost of HA bases. We have gone to Shenandoah National Park and Smokey Mountains National Park. Both are practically in your back yard. Shenandoah not so much wilderness. The Appalachian Trail runs very near the main road. You always here car traffic. We took some side trails down the mountains and saw plenty of water falls and swimming holes. But the side trails had heavy hiker traffic. Smokey Mountains is huge you can find plenty of trails and if you are a few miles from any road you may only see a few
    1 point
  36. That is exactly my version of Buck Buck, I was too lazy/inarticulate to write it clearly, so I just did a cut and paste from Wikipedia. In terms of virus and variants you couldn't be more correct. This is also clipped from Wikipedia: "As early as the 16th century, children in Europe and the Near East played Buck, Buck, which had been called "Bucca Bucca quot sunt hic?"
    1 point
  37. I hope everyone gobbled till they wobbled. I have to wait until Saturday when my daughter isn't working
    1 point
  38. And a bit more interesting tidbits The BSA has hired a lobbying firm to go to Washington in an attempt to prevent the passage of the bankruptcy reform bill. If the bill passes, it could completely stop the ability of BSA to include COs or LCs in their bankruptcy plan. https://www.politico.com/newsletters/politico-influence/2021/11/24/boy-scouts-will-lobby-on-bill-to-curb-tactics-used-in-bankruptcy-proceedings-799099
    1 point
  39. No one has been able to answer the question of why BSA thinks that Scouts today are less capable than their peers 100 years ago. The organization would have died out if the same rules were in place, yet this seems of little consequence. Why can't a patrol go camping? Page 18 of the 9th edition of the Boy Scout Handbook says, "The goal of a patrol should be to be so well trained in camping that it can take off on its own overnights." Why are we assuming youth have become enfeebled in the past 36 years?
    1 point
  40. Seems to be dead.
    1 point
  41. We don't participate primarily because this is where we see some of the most egregious violations. It is bad enough at summer camp when the camp's adult leaders don't even follow the rules. Thunderstorms is one of the biggest issues. "Yes, I hear the thunder, but no, we aren't closing down the program areas... that storm is not going to come over us." SMH Here are the results of a similar incident... https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2006-jun-16-na-scouts16-story.html
    1 point
  42. We're nowhere close to you so I have no ideas for you but the roll your own HA trips are great. Not only less money but easier to add side trips and better food.
    1 point
  43. Yeah that was 2 years ago... is it dead for good now?
    1 point
  44. Give the Cub her/his award(s) on Tuesday. It's too late to do otherwise. Then get your records in order... unless their are extenuating circumstance: Give non payers a reminder after a set time and if no payment thereafter... "cut them off/out" after an established time period. I wouldn't worry too much... perhaps this family's payment due records are as 'screwy' as the Packs.
    1 point
  45. Lots of stuff out there to learn. I was a Scout starting in 1953. A "Neighborhood Patrol" camped with us a couple of times so they could experience patrol competition. Turns out "Neighborhood patrols" were chartered into 1969 at least: No sponsor No Committee "Scoutmaster is selected by three fathers from the community." As few as two boys "NEIGHBORHOOD PATROL: a small neighborhood group of from 2 to 8 Scouts may be organized as a 'Neighborhood Patrol." A Neighborhood Patrol requires no sponsorship. Three fathers in the community must approve the Scoutmas
    1 point
  46. One of the troops that I help has, for several years, had troop meetings and patrol meetings on alternative Mondays.
    1 point
  47. Folks arguing and debating the guides to uniform and what should and should not be worn (let's get a red epaulette thread fired up) is truly the definition of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Basically as @Double Eagle advised, we've got bigger fish to fry Wear the pin. Enjoy
    1 point
  48. http://www.bemidjiwoolenmills.com/details.php?id=voyscout Voyageurs Scout Jacket $162 A hurly burly classic with slanted slash pockets and tailored styling. This jacket's generous fit, substantial fabric, quality sewing and broad color choice feels good and looks right on the roughest of trails and the most stylish of streets. 100% Pure Virgin Wool 28 oz. This jacket has 2 buttons on the chest pockets and comes with the Boys Scout patch as shown in the pic. Northern Tier sells it as well at $115! They just don't tell you it's not THE official red wool jac-shirt. Me
    1 point
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