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  1. 4 points
    This was a "consent" order, meaning that the main interested parties agreed to it, wrote it up, and asked the judge to sign it. BSA and the other parties are saying that: Not only is the national organization being sued by abuse victims, but so are Learning for Life, numerous councils, chartered organizations, and others who have not filed bankruptcy. And while the bankruptcy prevents all of those lawsuits from moving forward against the national organization, it doesn't prevent those abuse lawsuits from moving forward against all of the other parties. But if those hundreds of abuse lawsuits move forward in a piecemeal fashion against everyone else, it will necessarily require the national organization to do a lot of work and spend a lot of money because even though they are all separate organizations, they all have lots of business and contractual ties and lots of shared information. It will also be very expensive for all of those plaintiffs all over the country to continue their lawsuits separately against the councils and other parties. And if the national organization has to spend a lot of resources on these continuing abuse lawsuits all over the country, there will be a lot less money available to those plaintiffs from the national organization, once their claims are determined in the bankruptcy. So it is in everyone's interest to hit "pause" on the lawsuits against the councils and other defendants so they don't waste BSA's money, their own money, and the money of the other defendants while they try to figure out if they can do a global settlement among BSA national and all of the plaintiffs and all of the councils and other defendants.
  2. 3 points
    Not sure this is the best place, but it is just released.
  3. 3 points
    https://nam.scouting.org/ It does include a fundraising component idea.
  4. 3 points
    I doubled my donation this year
  5. 3 points
    Yes, they had lots of other volunteers...and later our county was one of the first locked down in the state, and now has the third highest number of cases in the state. My line in the sand was the CDC guidelines. They were there for a reason...
  6. 3 points
    I certainly agree that the important element is for the scouts to be at home, sheltering in place — since that is what is important for containing this as best we can — and that is fundamentally what I am worrying about, even in asking this question. In our (admittedly small) troop and in the larger troop linked to us, we have been looking for ways some scouting activities can be continued under these conditions. For kids that are likely to be cooped up for weeks most likely, our view was that at least attempting to continue Scouting could be part of giving them a structure and making “doing what they need to do” to minimize spread both more bearable and sustainable. I wasn’t trying to imply that continuing their advancement was more important than public health, our hope is that if we can find ways to facilitate them doing so that could be part of protecting public health.
  7. 2 points
    Accepting the critique that I’ve been flagged here as a bad example for the way that I worded my original post, I’m honestly struggling here with how the last few posts have framed service and service hour requirements as distinct from other requirements for advancement in scouting. A central reason particular skills, behaviors or actions are included in requirements for advancement is that they are elements that Scouting seeks to convey to the youth that are participants. Outdoor skills are required for lower rank advancement because that is central to transmitting the core of the outdoor program to young scouts early. Citizenship in the Nation and Personal Management are Eagle required because both the knowledge and skills inherent in both are something that the program believes should be conveyed to every scout on their path to Eagle. And service - implemented as service hours - are required because scouting is seeking to convey a desire to help others and contribute to the community. Certainly, it would be ideal if every scout served more than “required” and yes, many do, unprompted by a requirement to do so, and that there were no scouts who sought opportunities to serve “just for rank advancement.” But I see no reason why that same logic shouldn’t apply to all other requirements as well — all scouts should want to learn knot tying unprompted by a requirement to so. All scouts should want to be engaged in their community, so why require attendance at a city council meeting as merit badge requirements? It seems to me the reason service hours are required is to prompt scouts who wouldn’t organically do them to try. Some will then fully absorb the lesson about service at a deep level, and service will become a core part of their scouting experience and hopefully their adult life. Some won’t, and for them the required hours will be Scouting’s effort to teach a lesson that maybe didn’t fully “take” (just as some scouts come thru scouting and camp “enough” to meet their requirements, but never develop a deep love of being in the outoors.) So, while I am not trying to “just be defensive” about being flagged as a bad example of adult leadership this early in my leadership career, in part I am, since I just don’t see why a scout being prompted to serve because of a requirement to do so or a leader seeking opportunities for them to do so...
  8. 2 points
    I hate when people question scouts' motives ... almost as much as I hate when scouters announce that a project "counts for service hours." I swear, nobody who likes those shenanigans should let me run this organization. I would strike all service hour requirements from every rank ... immediately after eliminating the ageist policy on rank advancement, requiring ASMs and SMs to earn 1st class from their SPL/JASMs, and re-instituting Bird Study as required for Eagle. Most all scouts have fulfilled the hours need for their next rank 10x over, most all scouts want to do something for their community, and most any project is going to take twice as long as what any scout needs for his/her next rank. Nothing personal @InquisitiveScouter, you just tapped a pet peeve!
  9. 2 points
    To paraphrase Terrence Mann (played by James Earl Jones) words from “People Will Come” speech in Field of Dreams. "The one constant through all the years has been Scouting. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But Scouting has served all the time. These scouts, this program: it's a part of our past. It reminds us of all that once was good and that could be again. Oh...families will come. Families will most definitely come.”
  10. 2 points
    There is a lot of great discussion going on. I have always thought that our professionals should focus more on sustaining existing units instead of trying to create additional units that are likely to struggle or even fail. I also think that scouting has become very corporate and in order to be considered successful every level in every program is required to achieve a numerical level that really has no bearing on anything. The focuse has shifted from helping young people with positive development to making sure that the numbers are good. Also, just because a council is struggling does not mean that the leadership is incompetent, it just means that they are having trouble in one area or another. Perhaps local donors dont agree with direction the BSA is going and have decided not to give or to contribute directly to the unit. Perhaps there just aren't enough people volunteering for whatever reason. Everything is theoretical because you can't tell people what they need to do, where to give their money, or what is good for their children. It seems to me that the areas within scouting has become more of a regulatory and enforcement entity and less of a support system. Strong units are going to continue to be strong even if we combine councils, do away with areas and sections and greatly reduce the national level professional positions. Struggling units will continue to struggle and some will fail. Professional scouters really have little influence on the success or lack thereof of individual units. It will always take a few parents or adults that are willing to give their time, effort, and often times their money to make a unit successful. Take those dedicated adults out of the picture and even the best units will collapse. And after all, the unit providing the scouting program to young people is the foundation of this whole thing. I don't know, but I would be willing to guess, that if the section, region, and national level of scouting completly disappeared the units would still be there with their trips and adventures with the help of local council service centers and camp rangers. This is just my take on things and it will be interesting to see how close I am when this whole debacle comes to an end.
  11. 2 points
    From link above. IMHO, if your WFA or CPR re-certification class was cancelled, an accommodation should be made regarding "current". My $0.02, Q. My Wilderness First Aid Course has been cancelled; can I still go on my trek?Current WFA certification will continue to be required for all backcountry and remoteadventures. As a reminder, a current CPR/AED certification is a pre-requisite for a WFA course. In addition, we are closely monitoring the status of instructor-led courses and working with our partners at the American Red Cross and Emergency Care and Safety Institute for acceptable alternatives in the event courses are not available in your community. We will post further information in the next update.
  12. 2 points
    Another issue for rebuilding the Scouting program is the cost. The powers that be or were, doubled the registration fee. That alone made Scouting cost prohibitive for some of the guys. Now with businesses closing, the added expense of having the kids out of school for an indefinite period (extra food, higher utility Bill's, child care...) individuals being out of work, many just won't be able to afford the Scouts. What a challenge we all face. It may revert to the days when a couple of tarps, a tent or two, and some blankets, and a friendly farmer's field make up a Scout trip.
  13. 2 points
    Update from Philmont: https://www.philmontscoutranch.org/coronavirus/ Adventure is Unpredictable Update: 4/1/20 – 1:00 PM None of us have ever experienced anything like the last few days, weeks, and months. While we know, this too shall pass, we continue to evaluate what’s next. There are many moving parts, like understanding the impact of New Mexico’s “Stay at Home” order on the pandemic, or how other states responses will impact the virus, how domestic travel regulations will continue to change, and how all of this impacts our Scouting volunteers and their families, our trekking crews, PTC participants, family adventurers and staff. We are disappointed that this update can’t contain more decisions but waiting on more data to determine our direction seems prudent. In the meantime, we continue to prepare for a full summer. Our commissary has packed trail meals for the planned arrival of 21,500 participants. Our full-time employees continue to maintain utilities, and prepare roads, backcountry camps, and red roof inns, for your arrival. We are doing our part to help stop the spread and have implemented the following measures: Closed the Ranch to visitors through April 30th and canceled all program groups during this time Transitioned staff to work from home, where possible Increased cleaning of common areas and offices Eliminated salad bars and self-serve areas from our dining hall Reducing seasonal staff numbers to alleviate communal living Adjusted work and schedules to follow social distancing We asked our seasonal staff, who had planned arrivals between now and April 30th to delay their travel to Philmont until further notice, and we will have an update for them and our May 1– 15 staff arrivals on April 15. As always, the safety of all our participants, guests, volunteers, and employees is our top priority. Currently, any crew requesting a refund would be under the refund policy that is stated in your adult advisor’s guidebook. Please stay tuned for an update on April 15th, and in the meantime, follow the appropriate guidelines of your local, state and national health officials, as we are doing, and prepare yourself mentally and physically for your summer at Philmont. For a joint statement from the High Adventure Bases and information regarding medical forms and Wilderness First Aid click here. We will email you with additional updates and information. Updates will also be posted on philmontscoutranch.org/coronavirus Thank you for your support, Roger B Hoyt General Manager Philmont Scout Ranch
  14. 2 points
    Speaking of which, what a long road this has been. DECLARATION OF RACHEL KASSABIAN IN SUPPORT OF DEBTORS’ OBJECTION TO GIRL SCOUTS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA’S MOTION FOR RELIEF FROM THE AUTOMATIC STAY TO RESUME TRADEMARK ACTION https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/810638_322.pdf DEBTORS’ OBJECTION TO GIRL SCOUTS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA’S MOTION FOR RELIEF FROM THE AUTOMATIC STAY TO RESUME TRADEMARK ACTION https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/810632_320.pdf ^---- IMHO, the latter (6 pages) was well argued, particularly, items 6 and 7. 6. The BSA is currently devoting significant managerial, financial, legal, and other resources toward its restructuring efforts. Specifically, the BSA’s leadership is presently undertaking the following tasks related to the bankruptcy: (i) the preparation of statements and schedules for the U.S. Trustee and other constituencies; (ii) the identification and assembly of materials responsive to numerous document requests propounded by the TCC’s and UCC’s counsels and advisors; (iii) engaging with and fielding requests from various media organizations regarding the BSA’s restructuring and its ability to continue Scouting activities while these Chapter 11 Cases are pending; (iv) engaging in preparations for the upcoming meeting of creditors to be held pursuant to Section 341 of the Bankruptcy Code, which is currently scheduled for April 15; (v) assisting in the preparation of periodic presentations to various constituencies regarding the BSA’s financial position, forecasts, and restructuring plan; and (vi) implementing expense reductions and other organizational improvements necessary to meet the Debtors’ 2020 budget. The “breathing spell” afforded by the automatic stay has been essential to the BSA’s ability to continue to proceed as expeditiously as it has in these early stages of the bankruptcy. 7. In addition, the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic has amplified the strain on the BSA’s senior management and other organizational resources. In light of the social distancing measures adopted throughout the country and the drain those measures have had on the organization’s revenues, the BSA was forced to furlough a large portion of its workforce effective April 1, 2020. The BSA’s senior leadership is also preparing a revised 2020 business plan and cash flow forecast that will better account for the increased financial and operational uncertainty arising from the pandemic. Those efforts include modeling new revenue projections and exploring various cost-reduction levers. The BSA’s senior management is also engaged in efforts to continue alternative programming to its members when most traditional BSA programming is suspended. The substantial reduction in staff, together with the additional work associated with adapting to the new realities of this pandemic, will impose significant additional burdens on the employees who remain. ... signed Brian Whittman, Managing Director at Alvarez & Marsal North America, LLC (“A&M”), a limited liability corporation, which has served as a restructuring advisor to the Boy Scouts of America (the “BSA”) and Delaware BSA, LLC, the non-profit corporations that are debtors and debtors in possession in the above-captioned Chapter 11 Cases (together, the “Debtors”), since October 2018
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  16. 2 points
    No need to reinvent the wheel, here. Quoting Scouting for Boys, by Baden-Powell (page 41) And what is this secret sign and half salute? From page 40
  17. 2 points
    It's going to be interesting. It can be done; as @Jameson76 mentioned, councils will have to cut the BS to make it happen. To summarize thoughts that have been expressed by others here and in other threads: - Delete a bunch of non-outdoor MBs such as the Citizenship Trio, robotics, etc. Less staff needed, less time campers are sitting around other people. - Focus on traditional outdoor activities--boating, orienteering, hiking, shooting. More fresh air! Encourage patrol hikes to camp property that is never explored, or was abandoned years earlier. - Patrol style cooking in the campsite. Troops bring their own supplies or have food issued through a camp commissary for preparation in the campsite. Less public health risk than a centralized dining hall. (And in most cases, better quality meals. Camps have been trending to the "heat/serve" processed food/pre-school menus.) - Reduce camp fees to the lowest level possible. True, this will impact the council's bottom line (already in the red), but it will garner much goodwill and loyalty from families and units that are hurting financially. - Push back the boundaries of the campsites--more distance between patrols and tents. There will be issues to work through. Big gatherings like flag ceremonies and opening/closing campfires--might have to adjust these a bit. The silver lining: this may be the right time to bring back the more traditional elements of summer camp. And a more memorable camping experience for all.
  18. 2 points
    Dates are coming on when payments need to be made, so not sure when all the worlds collide. Also the troops getting the fees will be problematic as all units are not meeting. Lots of moving parts and as the current "social distancing" will not be lifted until maybe May 1 (+/- a few days) that only leaves 5 to 6 weeks to get everything in gear. That means staff disengaged from Schools etc and on-hand for camp, maybe completion of hiring the staff, filling staff holes with folks that were going to but due to circumstances but will now not be able to be there, etc etc etc. Also camp schools that certify staff have likely been delayed. Many of the typical bureaucratic BS stuff will need to be cut back so camps can run. Tough calls that will have to be made. Local troops can likely stand up a camp much quicker for a week on their own than a council can for multiple weeks if rules are not updated to conditions.
  19. 2 points
    I'm looking for similar suggestions!! I've done a few Zoom meetings, and son is currently doing an online merit badge session. Here's what I've found so far: Zoom (and Skype, etc.) have a small lag time, and it's harder to read body language, so there's a lot of talking over each other, then stops and starts. It's hard to accomplish anything in a decent amount of time. I don't see this ever working well for den or patrol meetings, but not sure there's any other option. The merit badge session is a webinar. The counselor is live on the top of the screen, and he has a PowerPoint going on below him. There's a moderator off screen, but whom you can hear. She is watching the chat/question box. With 800 scouts participating, she is only relaying questions that are arising frequently, and that's the only interaction the scout has with the counselor. They provide links for reference - to the worksheet, webinar content to review, and the merit badge pamphlet, but there's no way they can answer 800 questions, whether it's through the chat or email. I have a couple ideas for getting scouts outside and doing something fun. Will let you know if I'm able to get them approved and we can start doing them. One is an orienteering treasure hunt. One is a fire-starting contest where the scouts would take video and post to a secure site, like our troop's Shutterfly. Couple more ideas not really fleshed out yet, but I'm trying!
  20. 2 points
    "inextricably intertwined"...You may be correct. In the 3/30/2020 consent order, the Court labels local councils and charter organizations as "BSA Related Parties" and not "separate entities" as these councils and charter organization are also defendants (Schedule 2) with the debtor, the BSA in the Pending Abuse Actions" listed in Schedule 1. Here's the 3/30/2020 consent order link: https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/810262_54.pdf On Pages 5-6, after the Whereas's After due deliberation and sufficient cause appearing therefor; THE COURT FINDS AND CONCLUDES THAT: A.The Plaintiff in this adversary proceeding is the debtor, the BSA. Attached hereto as Schedule 1 is a list of lawsuits or claims (collectively, the “Pending Abuse Actions”) against the BSA and/or the BSA Related Parties set forth on Schedule 2 attached hereto (the “BSA Related Parties”). The BSA Related Parties consist of (i) non-debtor Learning for Life, a non-stock organization affiliated with the BSA, (ii) local councils, which the BSA represents are independently incorporated under the non-profit laws of their respective states (the “Local Councils”), and (iii) community and religious organizations, businesses, and groups of citizens that organize Scouting units under the BSA charter and are named defendants in the Pending Abuse Actions (and no others). The Pending Abuse Actions include the (a) Pending Abuse Actions, as defined in the Motion, that were pending as of the Petition Date, and (b) actions that have been filed or otherwise asserted against the BSA and/or the named BSA Related Parties on or after the Petition Date, alleging that the BSA and/or the BSA Related Parties are liable to the applicable plaintiff on account of abuse perpetrated against such plaintiff. The Defendants in this adversary proceeding are those parties listed in the “Underlying Plaintiffs” column of Exhibit A to the Complaint. The Defendants in the adversary proceeding are all plaintiffs in lawsuits that seek to hold the BSA and/or the BSA Related Parties liable in actions that include claims and/or causes of action allegedly arising out of the plaintiffs’ involvement or connection with the BSA.
  21. 2 points
    Thanks for your description of how the online class format worked. My council is also pushing online merit badge classes, and I am a little skeptical. On the other hand, my daughter started a new merit badge. Spent an hour conversing one-on-one by phone with the merit badge counselor who is an older adult who lives in our neighborhood. It looks like it is going to be a really good experience. (Because of YPT she put the phone of speaker phone, so I could listen in.) Of course there are a couple of steps that she won't be able to finish until the quarantine is over, but a great deal of the work on this badge can be done at home. Rather that push for online mert badge classes, I am trying (with not a lot of success) to have self-motivated scouts take initiative and work rather independently on merit badges.
  22. 2 points
    Update 3/30/2020: Judge halts lawsuits against local Boy Scout Councils Federal Bankruptcy Judge Laurie Selber Silverstein has granted a request by the Boy Scouts of America to halt lawsuits against local Scout councils as the BSA works on its bankruptcy plan to set up a compensation fund for thousands of men who were molested as boys by Scout leaders. The Boy Scouts initially sought to halt all litigation against local councils for six months from the date of its Feb. 18 bankruptcy filing. The agreement forged with the creditors committees calls for the lawsuits to be put on hold through May 18, with the possibility of an extension. "In the scheme of litigation, a stay of 55 days is not a long time, or for that matter, even unusual," Silverstein said. In granting the BSA's request for a preliminary injunction, Silverstein said the interests and missions of the BSA and its local councils are "inextricably intertwined." The judge noted that the BSA and local councils also are covered under a single excess insurance policy, and that BSA has played a key role in defending lawsuits by abuse survivors. The insurance policy in question once had a $25 million limit but now stands at about $18 million because of previous settlements. More at Source: https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2020-03-30/judge-halts-lawsuits-against-local-boy-scout-councils
  23. 2 points
    Thanks guys! The little guy is on the mend.
  24. 2 points
    *sigh* Let's go back to that old saw, the Scout Law. " Thrifty: A Scout is Thrifty. A Scout works to pay his way and to help others. He/she saves for the future. She/he conserves natural resources. He/she carefully uses time and property."" The idea is the Scout, by themselves, thru their Patrol and Troop/Crew/Ship EARNS their way. Sell things. Do things. Get pay for effort . This is not the "Good Turn" or "Service Project (which is at base a REALLY Big good turn)". If the local Council , thru it's efforts, provides campgrounds and recognitions, all to the good. That's where the "gimmes" should be. It is all too easy to find a Scout friendly hardware store or landscape company or even a uncle Jake to donate a Troop Trailer or dozen tents or even just a twenty dollar bill when asked. Can't do that. The rule is there for a purpose. Not just because the Council doesn't want to hear that the Deep Pocket has already been tapped by Venture Crew PDQ. It is deeper than that. The Scout unit MUST NOT go out and ask for a handout. That's Council's job. The Scout Unit's responsibility is to show the Scout HOW to be responsible for their activities. You want to go to Seabase? (okay, next year,....) Can't/shouldn't just assume a grant from the Bank of Momanddad. The crew going to Seabase can do carwashes, hold pancake/Dutch oven/hotdog dinners. Rake leaves. Plan ahead. Give VALUE for the fee. Scouting as such must not be a charity. Not on the Scout level. This is not to say that there may be charity involved ( TheMuddy Lions comes to mind) if the reality requires, but it should not be the usual way. Not the "official" way. It also helps prevent personal abuse. "I'm a Scout. give me money so I can go to camp" ? Nah. Doesn't sound good. ".... and they (council, national) don't give it back to the unit..." well not directly, sure. But those funds operate Philmont, and other things. Jamborees need a little start up capital. Council camps are there for your Troop to visit any time, yes? And think of this: If you sell popcorn or campcards or meatsticks, the Council will receive a piece of that action, right? BUT . . .If YOU hold a spaghetti dinner and make boocoo bucks from that, will your unit send some bucks to Council? Ummmm . . . . . Those are my reasons. I hope that helps, ANEagle20.
  25. 2 points
    I don't think this is hype at all. I have no thoughts of having meetings anytime soon. I was hoping to not YET give up on this scout year. I would not hold meetings until it's deemed safe to do so.
  26. 1 point
    @Ronmass welcome to the forum. My thoughts on summer camps is that they are not likely to happen this summer. At least not in my area, at least not on time. Maybe in July or August. A couple things have to happen: The area isn't facing a COVID-19 outbreak, and the state has lifted it's stay at home order, and the CDC recommends people return to work/school. Campers from out of state or people who have recently traveled (two weeks- month) are not permitted to attend. Families have the financial ability to send a kid to camp. Council has the financial ability to pay for camp. Council has recruited and hired staff. There are so many variables at this point, it's hard to make a blanket statement. I think by the end of April most councils will have a better understanding of their local, state and regional situations and we'll start to see decisions made.
  27. 1 point
    I don't agree that we should suspend or remove service requirements. It is time to either postpone doing service for safety reasons or adapt to other kinds of service. My scouts are making masks at home. There are the designs my wife put together that they use or others that are online with different materials. There is a lot of need for the masks, we can't keep up with the need currently, and it allows the scouts and families an outlet to feel like they can do something to help in this helpless time.
  28. 1 point
    I can see this being a problem. Most all of ours get done in May/June before July summer camp...maybe if we'd "extend the expiration date" on Part C's to 15 months for this summer (just require updated Part A & B).
  29. 1 point
    I'm very uncomfortable about this. We are leaders represent an organization. Our organization STRONGLY ADVISES no activities. That doesn't mean leaders suggest a parent/child go out own their own to do it. The leader should say we don't advise it. Stay at home. https://www.scouting.org/scoutingathome/ Until things change, the best service scouts can do is staying home and helping at home. Period. If a parent/child want to get groceries and deliver them to a neighbor-in-need, that's their choice. And we should applaud it. BUT, we should not organize or advocate for it. We should not even suggest it. In the above example, the buck thorn will still be there six months or a year from now. Do that type of service then. If a family wants to do it own their own, that's their choice. But, we as leaders should not organize, suggest or advocate for it. Our message should be clear, consistent and follow BSA's guidance. Stay home. Stay safe.
  30. 1 point
    Your observation on "rules" seems absolutely correct. But the entertainment business that was and is MLB still is not, as BSA was once found to be by SCOTUS, a "religious" organization, even if some baseball players are called "gods" and are worshiped after a fashion. I do not watch PBS and, so, have no idea what "story" Ken Burns is telling about MLB. Being a baseball fan who lived in southern California for twenty-five years, I learned the Dodger's story decades ago - primarily from Vincent Edward "Vin" Skully . From 1973 - date, I have lived in NE Ohio and followed the Indians, saw Frank Robinson, another "first" as an MLB manager, take his first swing as Player-Manager of the Featherheads (HR), and met Larry Doby. There are, of course, entire "books" about baseball history, and while it might seems quaint, I read books far more than I watch TV. Heck, I don't even have a "device" and thought for years that "WiFi must some update of Hi Fi. 😤 The troop I joined as a Scout in 1954 pre-dated BSA by well over a year and was racially and religiously integrated from 1909 forward. That was the rule, but there were a few exceptions in the area: a couple of Catholic troops (as the long-time Archbishop of Los Angeles, Cardinal McIntyre , opposed Catholics being in Scouting); and all-White troops. In those years, Japanese-American Scouts were more of an issue for racists, in California, except for the John Birch Society, whose members picketed Council HQ every Scout Week, protesting our trick-or-treating for UNICEF, the World Brotherhood Merit Badge, and "race mixing." We heard there were strange, racially-segregated troops in the South - that area over the horizon south of "back east." Made little sense to us in our white, brown, black, yellow, ?? troop of 120. As you doubtless know, female Explorers arrived in 1969 and female Venturers in 1998. Most of the World population had not been born when BSA had no female youth members.Thank you for the offer of suds.
  31. 1 point
    It's good they're working on this. We have the same issue for NT. My son and I are the only ones with current WFA and we have 2 crews. If necessary, I guess he could go on the other crew. This all assumes we're able to fill our 2 crews if NT is open.
  32. 1 point
    That is lipstick on a pig. Question: in the stimulus just passed, who decides whether a company on the ropes is worth saving?
  33. 1 point
    Friends, not only am I going to shake hands with my Mediterranean cousins who live through this ... we will kiss, first right cheek then left. (As opposed to some of my Eastern European left-then-right cousins ... that always ends up a little messy.) The one habit that I hope my scouts do maintain: hand washing. Our nails have never been so clean.
  34. 1 point
    The official source. https://www.scouting.org/programs/scouts-bsa/advancement-and-awards/merit-badges/ Scroll down the long page and click on MB of interest to get current requirements. Hopefully other members will reply with more detailed advice.
  35. 1 point
    Strangely, I find NOT touching my face more challenging than I would have thought. A doctor said on TV the other day that if a mask does nothing else, it keeps you from touching your face. Barry
  36. 1 point
    Early on, but before the stay at home order, our local hospital asked for community volunteers to set up a large tent (an outdoor event-type tent like those used for weddings, about 72' long) outside the hospital so they could screen patients there before concentrating them in the building. We put together two teams of ten, mixed Scouts and adults. We told the hospital we would work shifts of four hours, and that we wanted to adhere to CDC guidelines of groups no larger than ten, we would stay outside the hospital the whole time, bring our own food/water, use port-a-john, etc. The hospital said they thought it would require more than ten at a time to set it up, and they could not support our stipulations. So, we declined the opportunity. A few days later, our governor issued the stay at home order.
  37. 1 point
    I doubt it. This is an unprecedented situation so it's hard to say what the future holds. Councils will wait until they have to make that decision. Lets take my home state of Ohio for example: This is the latest model from University of Washington: https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections This is assuming our state continues to have the discipline to stay in the very deep shutdown we are in currently. Ohio has been one of the nations leaders in aggressive response tactics to the virus. We're also fortunate as "flyover" country, that we haven't had as many travelers to spread the virus to us. According to this model the peak of infections for the State will likely be mid April. Ohio has closed our schools until May 1st. There should be very few cases by June. So far so good. For my council, NYLT starts June 6th. Summer Camp Starts June 14th. Here are the challenges: Is the model accurate? Will we still have a stay at home order come late May/Early June when cases are declining? Or do we need to stay home till cases hit zero for a certain period of time? Will there be a second surge of infections over the Summer? Will testing be more widespread by May? Will there be an anti-body test to determine who was exposed to the virus and now has immunity to it? Does this give us enough time to recruit, hire, train staff? What about getting participant sign ups and collecting money from them? Buying supplies? Sending staff to National Camp School? Will all the staff and participants be able to get their annual physicals done? Will the camp be able to be inspected by the State/County Health Department? Ohio is in a tough spot economically. Many businesses were closed two weeks ago, and all non essential business were closed on the 23rd. Many Troop leaders might have to use PTO at their jobs to keep some income coming in while they are off work without pay. They may not be able to spare holding it for the summer. How will Troops prepare for Camp if they can't meet until late May? How will we handle out of State Campers from States that are still battling the virus when camp starts? The virus will be still active in the United States by June, short of a national shutdown order from the Trump Administration asap. That shutdown order is unlikely to happen. Will the School systems extend the school year to catch up on academic work? Many states have rural or inner city areas where home internet access is unstable or not strong enough for online school. Online education will continue to widen the gap between high performing school districts/students and lower performing districts/students. There are a ton of unanswered questions here, and its still far too early to answer most of them. I could see a shortened summer camp season for us, if things follow the model I cited above. If the situation deteriorates here in Ohio, I doubt we'd be able to have camp at all.
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    WHO If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with suspected 2019-nCoV infection. Wear a mask if you are coughing or sneezing. Masks are effective only when used in combination with frequent hand-cleaning with alcohol-based hand rub or soap and water. If you wear a mask, then you must know how to use it and dispose of it properly.
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    THe "experts" are saying that the general public with no symptoms do not need to be wearing masks, yet I am seeing more and more around town. MOST I see are not being worn properly...people with facial hair, bottom strap hanging loose, nose not covered, removing mask to eat or drink with contaminated hands. If you are not wearing it correctly, the mask is being WASTED. Saw a dude come out of the grocery store the other day wearing gloves while pushing his cart. During the course of loading up his car, he touched his face and rubbed his nose 3 times, then unwrapped a hot dog and ate it with his gloves still on. People are better off staying home, than going out with a false sense of security.
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    I agree. How was Scouting begun? With a bunch of kids that read a book about outdoor adventure written by a British army hero who made his fame by being a ""Scout"". He decided the best way to improve the type of recruits the army was getting was to encourage the youth to do adventurous stuff while they were young. Now , granted, alot of the stuff he espoused can't be easily accomplished today, and some of it is downright too dangerous or not really socially acceptable (and rightly so). But that is the idea, virus not withstanding. We should think about that. The promise of FUTURE outdoor adventure is about all we have right now, and that is what we need to concentrate on. Virtual knots, lashings, Patrol competition over ZOOM, compare my indoor CUB campout with yours , but plan the future Camporee, plan the camps as best we can with the promise that it will be possible LATER . Can't get together physically to DO stuff ? Every youth organization, name any... 4H, Royal Rangers, AHG, BP Scouts, GSUSA, Vanguard Scouts (!), are going to have alot of the same problems, it's just that BSA is out front with problems because of the poor handling (40 years ago !) of youth abuse and the inherent present bankruptcy. I was recently asked by a friend about BSA's decline (he was never a Scout) and I had to delineate the leaving of the CoJCoLDS in their desire to have more control over that program, the old "secret files" from the sexual abuse scandals , the loss of other charter orgs over the admission of any young human that is breathing, the defensive fiscal posture necessitated by the salivating lawyers, the proliferation of paid Scouters (compared to other youth organizations), the change in BSA's traditional stance vis a vis the Scout Promise and Law and the world today, Oh we had a good discussion until he decided he really wanted to talk about his own family troubles..... Sell off camps? Last resort, but is often seen by Council pro's as the BEST resort to a short term solution. The time of Troops "owning" their own campsites is just about gone, unless you are way out in flyover land (I hate that term). I refer you to the post I wrote about the Troop doing it's own summer camp program. To re-quote Billie Holiday, "God Bless the Scout that's got his or her own." See you (I hope) on the trail....
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    As I read more, and get more data from work (I work at a hospital), I'm starting to think that some regions may be opened back by June and some will not. Social distancing compliance as well as population density plays a key role in all of this. In My home state, Ohio, our leaders have been very aggressive about closing things and mandating that business close. Our peak of infections is projected to be in Mid May, and we will only somewhat exceed hospital capacity during the peak. I do not think we'll have much of an early summer here if the projections prove true, and our "peak" of cases will be during that time. Places that have already kicked off, like New York City, New Orleans, Seattle, or Atlanta, might be mostly done with it by summer, but will have a catastrophic wave over their healthcare systems, and have many preventable deaths.
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    As a Backpacking MBC I do not count Philmont as completing the requirement. They didn't create the itinerary, they didn't create an emergency plan, they didn't create the menu and so forth. The most they could possible do on a Philmont Trek for this requirement is create a daily schedule and a budget for the trip but will miss some obvious valuable lessons if they used a trip they create on their own. I.E. the true cost of feeding a crew for 5 days and how to keep the cost low.
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    Some advice from the National Park Service:
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    I've been thinking about your situation, qwazse. My oldest son once ask if my life was easier with all the kids out of the house. I said, while a young man I always thought the stress of worrying about my kids would fade as they ventured into their adult lives. But, I found that as he and his siblings grew older, their problems were more significant and my anxiousness more abundant. Grand-parenting requires big shoulders. Peace and Healing for your family, Amen. Barry
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    We hope and pray for your grandson's safe recovery. Maybe "home range" for us may be considered the area bounded by the Mrs. honey-do-list.
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    I think the best way we are all being told to help our community is to stay home and help our families get through this. A lot of these ideas are well intended but sending scouts out into the community in any way right now is a bad idea. Older scouts can help entertain younger siblings while mom and dad try to work from home. All scouts can get on the phone every day or on Skype and talk to grandma and grandpa and break up their boring day. Or a neighbor's. Older scouts can offer to do online or phone tutoring for younger kids that are having trouble with the new distance learning. Go through toys and see if there are any puzzles or games that can be donated anywhere that might take them assuming they are able to be disinfected. Make a training video for younger scouts on knot tying or some other lesson that can be used for a virtual den or troop meeting. Scouts can help with pet care by walking the dog around the block while maintaining social distancing. Work on some wildlife or conservation projects in the backyard. A lot of migrating birds are landing all over and are pretty hungry right now. Go on Audubon or Cornell and see what kinds of food you might have on hand and could put out (safely if you are in bear territory) to help them survive migration. Start work on a veggie garden to help your family have fresh produce if this continues through the summer, or work on a butterfly garden that will help our endangered butterflies. If you have a flag pole, do a flag ceremony every morning and night to remind everyone within hearing distance what we're all about. Or just put your flag out every day. If you have musical talent, play something in the backyard that your neighbors can hear (with discretion). I would not send kids under 18 into stores, but if an adult goes, your older scout could run the packages from the car to the porch step for an elderly or quarantined person. Also keep in mind that they should not be doing anything that could land them in the ER. The last thing you want is to be in the ER right now, and the worst thing for the community would be to have to allocate a hospital bed or medical resources to someone who suffered an avoidable injury. Be safe and well out there.
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    Tomahawk missiles. I need to buy at least two...
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    I guess the point is to keep the certificate of your current rank in your wallet along with your membership card. Just in case you're out of uniform and need to vouchsafe your rank. What is special about the pocket certificates, IMHO, are the signatures. They don't prove anything beyond what's already in the scout's book and unit records. Years later, however, pulling those cards out of the shoebox in the attic and seeing the signatures of SPL, SM, and CC while your kids fiddle with your sash and loose patches can bring back fond memories. They might remind you of a story or two that you could tell. Or, maybe, your kids might know that SPL's kids or the SM and CC's grandkids. A few more cards in the stack of blue cards ... no harm in that.
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    I think we can at some level. Society, post-modern society specifically, targets any values oriented institution because those institutions stand in stark relief to the no objective truth/reality/values philosophy. Many institutions have abandon their values to the mob but the mob always wants another pound of flesh. They won't be satisfied until all values oriented institutions are dead and buried.
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