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  1. Treflienne

    How about Proactive PR? Our Competition is taking shots.

    As for GSUSA - they have the problem that much of the general public thinks that Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts are the same organization. You can take a group of Scouts BSA girls, all wearing the older shirts that clearly say "Boy Scouts of America" and people assume that they are Girl Scouts. (This has happened to my Scouts BSA troop more than once.) I've had to explaine to numerous friends that BSA and GSUSA are completely separate organizations. It is unsurprising that GSUSA wants people to know that they are not part of the organization that is going bankrupt.
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    Eagle Scout Project Proposal Review

    Where is the wood (the logs) coming from? Is it available on the property from fallen trees? Otherwise, what about all the "don't move firewood" admonitions, to slow the spread of invasive bugs. Informational signage seens more useful that a really fancy enclosure -- though I doubt the insects and chipmunks will care about either. And what is the purpose of the fancy enclosure anyway? So that people will understand that it is a deliberate wood pile, and not simply leftover logs that someone forgot to carry away? To keep kids from climing on it?
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    Chapter 11 announced

    That's because if families care, they will know that information without asking you. I thought the WOSM connection was a benefit when comparing BSA to BPSA. I also thought that a local council and local camps and name recogniztion were a big benefit when comparing BSA to BPSA.
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    Read to your Scout .

    For the 3rd-4th (or 2nd-5th) grade girls, I would recommend the various girl guide stories by Catherine Christian. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Christian Really emphasize patrols. Probably only available from used book dealers.
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    Duplicate Troop numbers

    Did you ask the girls what they think?
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    Commissioner role

    We've heard from the naysayers. I could certainlly see that a well-established unit, with lots of its own experience, might not be looking for an outside perspective. Now for the rest of you. If you have found a unit commissioner valuable to your unit: what help were you hoping for? and what help did they give you? and just how experienced was your unit anyway?
  7. Obviously, I need to proofread my own typing better.
  8. GSUSA tried this. Starting circa 1970. In my opinion it was a disaster. GSUSA no longer has uniforms, merely a badge-sash or a badge vest. Girlguiding in the UK is doing this now. Take a look at their "uniforms".
  9. I had a fourteen-year-old who joined BSA with extensive backpacking experience who absolutely detested and despised the name "Tenderfoot". Go back to Baden-Powell's original definition, "A Tenderfoot is a boy who is not yet a scout" from Scouting for Boys page 36. Call the kid a "Tenderfoot" as soon as he or she turns in his/her registration form. Leave the rank requirements (and insignia) for "Scout" and the current "Tenderfoot" the same as they are not, but call them "Fourth Class Scout" and "Third Class Scout". It really seems backwards for "Tenderfoot" to be a lower rank than "Scout"
  10. I contacted a district commissioner about the possibility of a unit commisser for our troop -- and the answer was, basically, that they are lacking in volunteers. I'm thinking about talking with other local troops about whether they have any "retired" scouters would be happy to give some advice, based on their experience, to a new troop still figuring out how to get itself organized. If I find such a person, is it better to keep it as unofficial mentoring, or to suggest that this person consider signing on as a unit commissioner? (I understand that "new-unit commissioners" only need work with one troop at a time.)
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    "Unofficial uniform"

    I lived in Europe for a while as a kid. When we (GSUSA scouts) wore our completely unofficiial, home-made, neckerchiefs with our ordinary clothing, we were immediately recognized as being some variety of Scout or Guide. (There were mulitple scouting/guiding organizations within what, to an American, is a fairly small geographical region.) When we wore our GSUSA uniforms we not nearly recognizable as scouts/guides. I much prefer the neckerchief to the "class b" shirt for being identifiable as scouts when out of uniform. It is readily recognizable from the distance. With a group of kids in matching t-shirts you need to get close enough to read the printing before you know what kind of organization or club it is.
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    Duplicate Troop numbers

    Late 2018: The DE told us we could pick any troop number we wanted, so long as the CO approved. It could even duplicate a number elsewhere in the council or district. We let the girls pick. They picked a two-digit number different from any troop in our town or adjacent towns. (We did advise against picking "1" as there are already a half-dozen or so Troop 1's in our district, which is confusing.) Then we went to turn in the charter paperwork. Registrar told us that all girls' troops would have the same leading digit in the thousands place. This was very annoying. However, they said, we could call ourselves by the short version if we want. We have managed to get scoutbook and beascout to hide the leading digit. The girls wear the 2-digit number on their uniforms. We turned in our summer camp paperwork using the two-digit number, and no one complained. Basically we have managed to hide the leading digit fairly well. The Scouts BSA girls from other troops we saw at summer camp were also wearing 2-digit numbers, not four-digit numbers. The leading digit did show up on a troop-listing I saw at roundtable. It made it easy to pick the girls troops out of the list. Don't use the long version if you can help it. My daughter had 5-digit numbers in GSUSA. Expensive to buy all the patches for the uniform. Hard to sew on straight. The kids and the adults had trouble remembering the number so they referred to the troops by alternate designations (eg "Smith School Brownie Troop") The number was meaningless to them.
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    Duplicate Troop numbers

    (decided not to comment, after all)
  14. We are having the scouts use their handbooks as the primary means of recording sign-offs. Then the advancment coordinator is entering this into scoutbook when each rank is completed. It seems absolutely simplest to simply put in the date of completion of the rank as a whole. Is there any need to list the dates each sub-requirment was completed? (to list dates for 1a, 1b, 1c, 2a, 2b, etc, separetly?) That would be a lot more work for the advancment coordinator.
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    scoutbook - entering dates for sub-requirements

    Does this give any trouble down the road for requirements, such as 1st class 8a which says "After completing Second Class 7a, be physicaly active at lest 30 minutes each day for five days a week for four weeks." ? Since the 1st class BOR date and the 2nd class BOR date can be less than a month apart. That is, could the lack of specific dates in scoutbook cause trouble when a scout is trying to become an eagle scout?
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    Top Scouts?

    Thanks, Barry, that whole post is very helpful. I have been appreciating your taking the time and effort to answer my questions. Not just this one, but the previous ones, also.
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    Cub Scout Camps

    You could pack in a dozen girls in sleeping bags into one of those tents -- not much space for gear, and would step on each other if they needed to get up to go to the latrine in the middle of the night. But for summer camp (1 - 2 weeks long) they give the girls more space per person. Makes a more harmonious fortnight, probably. I've not seen electric outlets in a GS tent in the camps I've seen.
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    Top Scouts?

    Hi @Eagledad, At least you weren't up against GSUSA's current vision for scouting. "Civic action" is the current push, there: https://www.girlscouts.org/en/about-girl-scouts/girl-scouts-and-civic-engagement/forgirls.html Goes right along with their current "Journeys" program. My reaction to the Aims and Methods of BSA, when I first encourtered them, was that that was the first time I had seen that all so neatly set out and carefully thought through. Many of those ideas do go right back (in some form) to the early days of scouting and are (historically at least) present in other branches of scouting. (Citizenship? yup. Outdoors? yup. Patrols? yup. GSUSA had them, at least at one time.) But the one of the BSA Methods that I still feel that I don't have a good understanding of is "Personal Growth". I am still a little fuzzy on what falls under this concept (as opposed to under some of the other methods). So, Barry, now that you have mentioned "personal growth", how would you define this or explain this? How did you use this method with your scouts?
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    Cub Scout Camps

    Really? The ordinary style of GSUSA platform tent that I have seen in multiple states in multiple decades sleeps typically 4 (or 5) on cots. Of course some camps don't use those in all their units. I believe that one of the camps in our council has some yurts.
  20. I agree with Liz. If Sally and Susy are 25 months apart in age, they can NEVER tent together. If Sally and Sarah are 23 months apart in age, YPT age rules ALWAYS permit them to tent together. It doesn't change month by month. The kids can easily figure out who in their patrols they can tent with. And it is the same for the next camping trip, also. But it does mean that a barely 11-year-old cannot tent with an older 13-year-old.
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    Cub Scout Cooking

    The kid I knew that had the most severe food issues decided to focus on extra-curricular activities that did not involve eating together. (Cross-contamination with multiple very common foods needed to be avoided. Nothing so easy as avoiding peanuts and treenuts.) Fortunately with my current troop, none of the scouts with dietary restrictions need to worry about cross-contamination or trace quantities. Makes life much much easier.
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    Cub Scout Cooking

    Dietary restrictions are a complicated topic. One-pot meals make one kind of problem. Buffet-style serving is a different type of problem, due to cross contamination. Both have issues with ignorance on the part of people who think that they are preparing allergen-free meals, but are not doing it competently. I think that dietary restrictions have to be handled on a case-by-case basis, depending on the severity of the issue. Definitely get that scout, or the parents of that scout, involved in the planning. In some cases the only way for a kid to be confident that he can eat safely, is for him to bring his own food and prepare it himself.
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    Cub Scout Cooking

    GSUSA is different from BSA in that it stresses scout-led and scout-planned down to the youngest ages, to the extent possible. (For the kindergarteners that, in my experience, mainly means choosing between options that adults have suggested, or else tossing out ideas for the adults to shape into reality.) But by 3rd and 4th grades, they are capable of doing some of the planning. Of course, if the majority of the scouts decides that they don't want to camp, then they don't camp -- even if the adutls are willing to camp. (BSA has camping built into the advancemnt, at least at the Scout BSA level, so that they cannot choose not to camp if they want to advance. GSUSA has nothing at all like this.) So I am not saying that cub scouts need to plan their own meals. I am just saying that it is not crazy for cub-aged scouts to plan their own meals.
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    Cub Scout Cooking

    No scout is going to starve to death on an overnight campout, even if he consumes nothing but water the whole trip. If they are somewhat underfed because of poor planning or poor execution of their meal plans, that will give them incentive to do better next time.
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    Cub Scout Cooking

    I've definitely had 3rd and 4th grade girl scouts planning their own meals. There is a really nice tool, the myplate diagram, and the scouts were reminded what made a balanced meal before they started their planning. And after they came up with an initial plan they needed to discuss with an adult how it fit the myplate nutrituion guidelines. (How can you make this a healthier lunch? The scout decided that it was bye bye potato chips and hello apples as a lunch side.)