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  1. cocomax

    And so it begins

    Yes, belief in God is a cornerstone of Scouting. As Scouters, we have a tremendous opportunity to reflect this core principle while helping teach respect for the beliefs of others in pursuit of doing our “duty to God.” Bryan Wendell ( Scouting Magazine )
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    And so it begins

    We are in the end game now. They smell the blood in the water and know that BSA will fold.
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    Per WSJ -BSA may declare bankruptcy

    Michael B. SurbaughChief Scout Executive Just sent me an email, he says everything is going to be fine!
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    I could very easily run a girls BSA troop if I had girls that wanted to join, currently all the girls I know (including my daughter) want to be Girl Scouts and if I had one women that was willing to be there to meet the BSA YPT requirements. At this point I think I will just take my daughter and son and any other trustworthy friends that want to tag alone on long hikes without the mess and headache that is GSUSA. . . . . . go "scouting" without BSA or GSUSA. . . just for the fun of it.
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    I have a daughter that would love to go hiking with a scout group. I have been working with her GSUSA troop for the last year to make that happen and completely failed. I have been talking to the moms and girls in the troop about what they would think of going on a car camping trip or an overnight 5 mile hike. I asked my daughter to talk to the other girls about it. Well it seems none of the moms are interested in letting their daughters go hiking and are not really into camping. My daughter seems to be the only one interested in doing outdoor scouting stuff. I find it really strange, we live in the mountains, these are mountain girls and moms, but there is no interest hiking or camping, outside of my family. Maybe GSUSA is delivering exactly the program that most girls and moms want. If you took all the girls and moms from our GSUSA troop and put them in a BSA troop, they are all still the same people, they will not magically grow a love of camping and hiking. I think the greatest road block to girl BSA troops going camping or hiking will be the YPT rules, we will just will not be able to field the adults needed to get the job done. If my Boy Scout Troop, had to live under the YPT rules for girl BSA troops we would vanish like all the Venturing crews in my area have.
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    I know girls in Girl Scout troops that would love to go camping and hiking, but can not because their leaders do not "do camping" and do not want to hike. . . So I signed up as the Outdoors person with our local GSUSA troop and took the Outdoor training class only to be told afterward by the troop leader that "men are not welcome" on Girl Scout trips. . . So I go out and find an old Girl Scout that hikes, in fact she did a 180 mile hike this last summer and she would love to take the girls camping or hiking. . . that was a no go, the troop leaders did not like her and all Girl Scout Trips must include their leader, who does not camp or hike, she would not allow a group of registered GSUSA members take the girls anywhere without her.. So the troop for the last year mostly made drawings, colored with crayons, sang girrrrl empowerment songs, and sold cookies. So. . . I am waiting to see what happens when the BSA for girl troops start up. . . Will it be great with Outdoorsy women taking the role of scout master for these girls. . . or will the BSA for Girls suffer the same fate as GSUSA with leaders that will not camp or hike and then just fall back to the class room style advancement centered program that many troops cling to because check lists are the easy way to run things. The weak spot will be the adult leaders of the girls and finding the right women that can do that job, it will be a hard job, a drama minefield. I don't know which way it will (mostly) go.
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    The name change is not complete if we keep BSA! If we keep the name BSA we are making the very clear statement that we are still really the "Boy Scouts of America" and that is not welcoming to girls at all. BSA has to change to something else, the name BSA has a "B" but no "G", ether drop the "B" or add a "G" Ether SA or BGSA or GBSA is fine with me.
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    Well, they are not going to be happy if everyone starts calling the "Boy Scouts" the "Scouts" after the girls join next year, which is what I see happening. The general public does not use the term "BSA", I have not heard that once from the Public, that is a scouter term, just like SM, ASM, PL and SPL. The public will be politically correct and call the girls that are members of BSA by the term "Scouts". They will really make the GSUSA folks very very super unhappy, because a new group of girls that the general public sees as "Scouts" are not going to be members of the GSUSA. I think the general public will just use the terms "Scouts" and "Girl Scouts", and I think they will know the difference. They might say "Scouts" to be politically correct, but their brain knows they are really the "Boy Scouts" and that girls can join the "Boy Scouts" now and that is cool, but we can not say "Boy Scouts" anymore because that will upset the girls.
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    Shouldn't BSA drop the name BSA? I mean someone might think BSA stands for "Boy Scouts of America" and that might offend girls and is not very welcoming to girls. Drop the "B" (Boy) from BSA and call it SA ( Scouts of America ) that way people will think of SA as a scouting group for everyone. Also, the A in BSA is pretty bad, I mean there is a North America and a South America, America is not really the name of our country, I think we are appropriating the identity of counties that we have no right to, and that is a bit rude. They should change the letter "A" in BSA to "USA", the actual name of our country. So the scouting origination formerly know as Boy Scouts of America (BSA) should be renamed Scouts USA. or "SUSA" for short and members of SUSA should be called "Scouts". You're welcome.
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    Green Bar Leadership Experience

    What if the whole troop went? How about a special Green Bar Bill Micro Camp-O-ree? What if you had a weekend at a scout camp were several whole troops went to the camp, taking their own gear. Send each troop an informational packet on the Green Bar Bill method of scouting and what the weekend is all about and make sure they are on board with the idea. What if you had a Green Bar Bill expert embedded with each troop couching the scout master and SPL. What if you had an afternoon of scout games for the patrols to have fun as patrols. Have an amazing campfire planed by the scouts, plus you could have the Green Bar Bill experts point out what was done right, maybe even give out a few awards. All the adult leaders that went to this event should have a meetup at a later time (after the event) and talk about their experiences as scouters and learn from one another.
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    What if Girl Scouts started a Boys program called Scouts GSUSA. . . . Then you saw flyers and videos and people talking about boys could now join Boy Scouts GSUSA units. Parents begin thinking Boy Scouts had join forces with with Girls Scouts to form something new called Scouts GSUSA. When you call out that it is not cool that they are using the term Boy Scouts, because that belongs to the BSA they would say. . . "Oh, no we are Scouts GSUSA! Sorry about the confusion, we will send out a powerpoint slide to tell everyone not to say Boy Scouts GSUSA." . . . then parents, the general public, and kids continue to call the new units of boys in Scouts GSUSA "Boy Scouts" and you end up with units in the BSA and GSUSA both being called "Boy Scouts" by the general public. . . Would BSA have any problem with that?
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    So when talking to a group of boy scouts, your going to say, "hey BSA for boys, let's gather 'round to..."? No, the above terms are for interfacing with the public on fliers, news stories and recruiting. I will use it for anything the GSUSA might see or hear about. The way I speak to our troop has not changed at all. I speak to the boys by their names or position in troop. If I need to refer to everyone I say "everyone" or "we". "SPL, what does everyone need to be doing right now?" "SPL, when do we need to leave?"
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    I will be using these terms and completely avoid trouble: BSA BSA for Boys BSA for Girls Cubs Cubs for Boys Cubs for Girls Venturing
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    I say just call it BSA
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    A lawyer (Eagle Scout) goes over the lawsuit with a friend.