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  1. 5 points
    I think we're way off topic at this point, but on the subject of advancement... It kind of seems like no matter what pace a kid takes, it will bother someone. Go too fast and you're missing out on the journey. Go too slow and earn eagle in the 11th hour before turning 18 and they didn't take it seriously, didn't plan ahead, procrastinated, etc., etc., etc. My feeling is if this is supposed to be about the journey, let it be a journey that fits each scout. No two journeys end up being the same. The kids have their list of requirements, but even within that there is a lot of choice and different angles of approach. We want them to become leaders but we don't want then to lead on their own advancement trail? If we're going to say this is still a youth-led program, we should let up on the criticism of how they approach their own advancement. If the benefits of the program are so heavily dependent on time spent in the program, then we should have a requirement on the books that puts more time between ranks. Unless/until that happens, the boys should decide their own pace, whatever works for them, even if that means fast-tracking.
  2. 3 points
    I don't understand why anyone has to drone on about upcoming events. Does the Troop not have a website with a calendar? Does leadership not send out reminder emails? I spend more time writing and sending emails to the parents as a backup to the SPL's weekly announcements than I do on most other Scouting business. We use a website from SOAR that sends out a weekly eBlast to all Scouts and their parents. It has all of the events that are open for registration- they can register and pay for all trips online too. They can also (and this is HUGE) sync the Troop calendar to their phones or even Outlook or Google calendar, so no one has to waste time reminding them about every little thing at these few events- for some parents CoH are the only time we ever see them. As for FOS- I told my DE a long time ago (back when I was a Cubmaster) that coming to any Unit event looking for handouts from the families that already support them is barking up the wrong tree. They need to go knock on the doors of businesses that have deeper pockets, a much better return on their investment in time. I also told them that the presentations were awful and boring, and an unwelcome distraction from the purpose of the gatherings that they asked to be added to. That was the end of any FOS presentations at our events.
  3. 3 points
    Actually it’s 50% of ballots cast. So if you have 51 scouts show and only 40 submit ballots your magic number is 21. So it’s not scouts in the room but ballots cast.
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  6. 2 points
    @Eagledad @Eagle94-A1 I completely understand. I don't think bad of you at all for saying No - I don't have the time. I'm in the middle of my own burnout phase. Been Committee Chair for a troop of 75 boys with a Scoutmaster who has turned difficult and ungrateful into an art form. I do get it. I've said in other threads that I think the real problem behind much of this is the neglect of our district committees. Too few people left doing too many jobs. We lack a structure that develops new leaders and builds up our "community scouting" team. Camporee's suffer, Day Camp suffers, the OA suffers, the list goes on. I just think I've got a choice. I can mourn Scouting's passing, or I can be a voice in my small town that says let's do better. In fact, my plan is to say no to most everything, but instead work to find those people who will say yes. Maybe it won't work - I don't know. But it's all I can think of.
  7. 2 points
    It has been a few years since I was involved at the Cub Scout level, so things may have changed... but back then, the training for the Webelos den leader didn't exactly prepare them. The problem I see is that unless the leader has been involved with Boy Scouts previously as a youth, or has had a child in Boy Scouts, they just don't know what Boy Scouts is. Hard to transition boys to a program that you know nothing about! The Webelos program itself was not geared towards transition either when my son went through. The Outdoorsman Activity is the only one that I remember that encouraged a troop visit in the requirements. If it is really a transition, then the Webelos den should be engaged with a Troop as well. However, that puts an extra burden on the PLC of a troop to prepare more things for Webelos to come and do with the troop. Webelos is an awkward time in the program... too old for Cub Scouts, but too young for a troop.
  8. 2 points
    Oh I forgot that no adults were ever on stage except the sm to give a 5 min update and those accepting awards. The spl or emcee were scouts running the show.
  9. 2 points
    My troop had this problem but we were able to fix it by revising the script. Announcements were moved to slides that showed before and after the ceremony or were posted to the website. Ranks and mbs were all awarded at the same time by name. Guys were called up and given their merit badges and ranks all at one time and brothers were called up together. This was much faster than doing ranks in groups and calling a line of guys up alphabetically to get mbs. Our biggest change was in adult announcements and awards. Those were done at the end and in bulk. Friends of scouting was limited to 5 minutes at the end with no long videos or discussions. They were given a table in the back of the hall to sit and collect money after the ceremony. We went from two hours or more down to one hour. We gave out 27 ranks and 145 mbs last summer along with several special awards for a retiring scoutmaster all in one hour.
  10. 2 points
    Remember it's the kind of thing that beds in though. I think you're seeing it from the perspective of a den/pack going from as is to six (I'll call it that to distinguish from a full on patrol) If you are in a situation where from the moment they walk through the door aged 6 they are introduced to the idea of working in a six and that for various things someone may be asked to be in charge (obviously the complexity increasing from age 6 to 10/11) then that will be accepted. Young children are extremely impressionable and if introduced to something as being the way it is at a young age they will accept that as being the way it is.
  11. 2 points
    If the Webelos leaders have been doing their job, you can cut another month off of that time frame - the requirements for the Scouting Adventure adventure are almost identical to those for Scout rank, so ideally they should be able to pass off that rank after their first meeting. That's always my goal with my Webelos Scouts; I prep them in the weeks leading up to their advancement to Boy Scouts so that they are prepared to meet with their Scoutmaster and pass things off at that first Patrol gathering. But it does take careful planning on the Webelos leaders' part, and close coordination with the Troop leadership as well.
  12. 2 points
    LOL. Don't get me wrong, that sounds like a cute idea and it would be great for school or a family council or something - but not for Cub Scouts, where we have enough requirements to complete already!
  13. 2 points
    Yes & No. I'm suggesting a second, alternative course in addition/as an alternative to Wood Badge. In fact, I'm fine with Wood Badge as the leadership course. To me, Wood Badge is the leadership course for Committee Chairs, Cubmasters, Scoutmasters, etc... I think it does a fine job at that. I've been a staffer twice and really like Wood Badge - but I see it for what it is and is not. Wood Badge is clearly not a course on how to be a Scoutmaster. How to mentor the SPL, how to organize patrols, how to organize campouts, how to promote boy led, etc... I could go on and on. I can recite the Stages of Team development in my sleep, but I can't tell you how to make patrols work in my troop. In my council, Wood Badge is done very well. At the heart of it is a staff that are all very professional about their roles. More importantly, each member of the staff really, really works hard to do a great job. For Wood Badge, being a Scoutmaster really doesn't matter - so the staff selection here doesn't really focus on that. The staffs end up being a mix of positions and programs. If anything, the staffs are generally composed of very good leaders who really strive to deliver an outstanding training. The one thing we do have is a very methodical process for finding good staff. Existing staff all share insights on participants. This is then used to help find the new 1/3 of the staff every year. In my mind, the separate Scoutmaster course I'm suggesting would be different and would be staffed with the best Scoutmasters. I could see much the same process. Some key people put together a Scoutmaster curriculum, great Scoutmasters are recruited to review it, refine it, and teach it. You make it a worthwhile course, so staff are willing to continue year to year. You rotate in some new staff so that there is a development process that continues to challenge & grow the staff. Come up with some kind of mentoring program after the fact new Scoutmasters have someone to talk to as they grow in their own positions.
  14. 2 points
    Ours is still tap outs... For youth fairly firm, for the adults they really pound hard....
  15. 1 point
    When I offer Den Leader Training courses for new Cub leaders in my council, that's actually a large part of what I try to convey. As a Webelos Den Leader, I think it's important to be aware of the local Boy Scout program so that I can sufficiently prepare my boys, not only for the program, but for the leaders and Troops up to which they will be advancing. My den feeds in to the Troop sponsored by our shared CO, so I always make it a point to attend their committee meetings and to know the SM and his assistants personally. That way I can give them information about the boys moving up soon, any special needs, et cetera, and I in turn can prepare my boys for the program and group they will be entering and the leaders with whom they will be working. I view the WDL as a bridging character between the world of Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts, so I try to be deeply invested in both programs so that I can provide the best Webelos program I can now, while making sure my boys move up to a solid Boy Scout program later. I don't have any kids of my own - I am not even married yet - so I don't know if I will ever be asked to serve as a leader in the Boy Scout Troop. But any Webelos Leader worth his salt will have Boy Scout preparation foremost in his mind as he prepares his activities and works with the boys under his care. This is the last year they get to enjoy to Cub program, so it should be geared towards the transition they are going to face when they move on to the boy-led programs coming up. My personal barometer of success as a Webelos Leader is this - any boy who fails to earn the rank of Scout within his first month in the Boy Scout program isn't entirely to blame. That responsibility lies with me - if I really do my job, they should have it done within the first week or two. When I first started, there were one or two boys who took a long while before making it to Scout. I took that to heart and made the necessary changes to my program and my leadership style. Since then (fingers crossed) none of my boys have taken longer than three weeks to get it done.
  16. 1 point
    In our pack its been kinda decided the Webelos are going to adopt the patrol method and start learning the real skills they need before joining the troop. Its also been suggested that the lower dens are going to act as patrols. Instead of one person cooking for everyone each den (DL) will cook for themselves. Our. Campout for this weekend was cancelled because its supposed to be wet and cold and seems like everyone has been sick. So we are going to just do a Beaver Day work day at the local camp. I was planning on taking a 10x10 popup canopy to cook under and a place for people to get out if the rain if needed. I never felt good about it but it would have been the best option. I want to propose to my leadership we put together a real dining fly or two. Webelos should be able to or learn quickly to set one up. I would like for my Tigers to be introduced now to the idea. Its something they can help with unlike cooking or anything with fire at this point. Start at the very least seeing what different knots are used for, start working as a team to complete a task. By the time these Tigers are Webelos they would be able to show up at camp and setup quickly without thinking about it. Also think a nice dining fly setup would be awesome during out city festivals. Would be a more impressive display than a popup canopy and a table.
  17. 1 point
    Ah man our Troop is still using this on the AT. Sure it is heavy to carry but better than the 60 miles of wire the Scouts carry.
  18. 1 point
    As Ronald Reagan once said, "There you go again." You have this incessant need to be right or close down debate when things don't suit you. Let me be clear (again): I am NOT talking about DATA!! That is YOUR argument. I am talking about getting ACCESS to and FINDING them!!! I'm done. You may have the last word.
  19. 1 point
    Let's stay focused. We were given a working cellphone and cellphone network at the start of this discussion. Who initiates the distress call, is it the hiker? What if he is incapacitated? What if he is dead? Say the hiker has medical IoT sensors in his clothing to chain medical data via a working phone whether the user is conscious or not. So data is returned and shared, the hiker is at this location and has this pulse, temp, BP, respiration rate or he does not (He's dead Jim). The weather is getting worse, do you dispatch a SAR team ASAP or do you wait until the weather clears and send a Recovery team? The recent Mt. Hood rescue comes to mind.
  20. 1 point
    This is a great idea. It is also 100% within the description of your job (Secretary). To me this is one of those things that if you do it well it can have a tans-formative effect on a troop. A newsletter forces: - up front planning. You can't just wait until two weeks before to say - "hey, we've got a camping trip" - consistent messaging. You, as secretary, figure out length, format, etc. Parents get used to that and love it. - families rely on it. My daughter's middle school has a newsletter. When I can't remember something about a upcoming event I go back and check the latest newsletter. 9 times out of 10, it's there. My troop does not have a newsletter. We literally send of 20 emails a week about all sorts of things. Someone forgot a book - SM sends an email. A reminder to bring shoes on a camping trip - ASM sends an email. I'm convinced that if we had a newsletter our emailing would instantly drop by 75%. So instead of 20 emails, we might send 4 or 5 a week. Parents would be much more likely to actually read them. Now - it's like we're shouting above the noise. This is exactly why the just spent 45 minutes having adults make announcements at the COH. Because no one reads emails, it's the time to tell them everything you've already emailed 3 times about. Go for it!
  21. 1 point
    Good point. It would be nice to see marketing that is dual-purpose and shows boys and girls together, but logistically that kind of goes against what is actually being proposed in the program.
  22. 1 point
    This is what I meant.
  23. 1 point
    I made one (a scout is thrifty) it has a plywood seat, is orange, and says "home depot". The seat is bolted, sealed with silicon, and attached to one of those water proof screw lids. Good for canoe camping.
  24. 1 point
    We talk a lot in Scouting about leadership. To me, a big part of leadership is standing up and leading. Every scout could do that, but many choose not to. We've got a kid in our troop that shows up 90% of the time, leads all kinds of events, and puts himself out there. We've got other kids that come 20% of the time, never camp, never participate, never show leadership, and in short - just don't try. We've got a lot more kids in the middle. As adults, I think we want to encourage boys to be more like the first example. Do things, try things, take chances, be a leader. Having a program like the OA which provides an incentive to lead is itself a tool to teach leadership. If a scout tries and puts his heart into it, should he get into the OA - you bet. But, I think for it to be an effective tool, there has to be a line somewhere. If there's not line, how can it be a tool to incentive boys to try & lead.
  25. 1 point
    Guys, you are missing the point of what blockchain data is, how it is stored, mined and used. Here's a decent primer on it. It can't be used for real-time SAR activities any more than a phone can. The tech on how this all works -- the blockchain, as well as the Loomia gadgets -- is highly prorietary; though I am concerned about them using a public blockchain as opposed to a private one. I would not buy any such gear myself. As @FireStone said, it is a bit creepy that my gear can relay ANY information I don't want it to, not to mention the RF exposure and other creepy things about the data. I'll pass.
  26. 1 point
    You have to tailor the questions to what you are teaching. I would recommend this: Figure out what you want to teach (e.g., parts of a compass, basic navigation terms and symbols, etc.). Develop how you are going to teach each thing (e.g., map reading game, presentation, etc.). Once you know what and how you will teach things, think up questions. One thing I learned as a soccer coach a long time ago, when you develop a drill/game for your players it should always allow those of varying skills to learn something, AND you should be able to adjust the drill/game based on one's ability. That means you need something you can add to the existing game that will challenge those guys who "get it" early. For example, if guys have no problem finding whether something is uphill or downhill on a topographic map, have them calculate the elevation gained and lost.
  27. 1 point
    In the LDS Packs I have seen, there were limited transition activities between Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts. I remember that my son's Webelos Den visited a troop meeting and helped with a troop fundraiser. And of course there was a crossing over ceremony from Webelos to the New Scout Patrol. However, the New Scout Patrol was really his introduction vehicle into Boy Scouts. For my son, the Webelos period was mainly focused on earning his Arrow of Light. I consider myself rather expert in most Boy Scout topics, but I relied on others to guide my son through the Cub Scout program. Even today, much of Cub Scout advancement seems like a confusing mess to me (although I'm sure it makes perfect sense to others who have taken the time to understand the program better).
  28. 1 point
    Regardless of those slight changes, our Webelos are coming in a little sharper than before. I remember when I was a cub, Webelos made you tenderfoot-ready. (Plus, in my den, we had some skill with the DL's '38 special.)
  29. 1 point
    With my lodge the problem is lack of information or being notified too late about stuff. Also they have way too many things and they conflict with other stuff on the calendar. Everything competes with each other and then people wonder why 3 guys show up. It used to be a place where I could hang with the guys. Now that’s going away too. So now it’s just another service organization that travels hours to do service. I can do nhs and stay in town and then hang with the guys at sonic. That appeals to guys more than what Oa offers now.
  30. 1 point
    Then change it. Heck, just get your OA group to simply adopt your goal: "By joining the OA, you have chosen to join an elite group. We represent the best of the best scouts. While a member you will become experts with wood tools and will become confident alone in the woods. You're expected to represent the best of the Scout Law. Here you will be given a chance to become even stronger leaders that you are today. If you're up for that, this will be an arena to expand your dreams. If not, that's OK, but this isn't the group for you" I'd start with that. If everyone quits then go recruit a new batch and build it up again. This stuff is only mediocre if we let it be.
  31. 1 point
    This seems pretty easy to solve to me. The camping coordinator or Scoutmaster needs to ask a better question. Something like: Scoutmaster: Boys, we need to plan the camping trips for this year. We can do one or two large trips - like Philmont or a long road trip. We also need to do 10 weekend trips that are within a three hour drive. Please come up with a list for both groups. The camping coordinator's form can simply ask both questions. If, for the big trip, every boy puts down Disney World - then great. if they put down Disney World for the monthly trips - hand it back and say please fix it.
  32. 1 point
    I think what OA represented is dead. OA used to recognize the above average scouts. They were experts with woods tools and felt very comfortable alone in the woods. They were givers of their time an represent Friendly, Courteous, and Kind to a fine art. Todays adults prefer mediocrity so that nobody feels bad being the below average scout. Advancement is more desired in groups and leadership is given so that each scout gets a turn. OA was a program that gave the above average scouts a bigger arena to expand dreams. Now it's just another boring program that is challenged to fit in a troop agenda. Barry
  33. 1 point
    Yes but isn't this where the Scoutmaster guides them? Isn't there something like -- well if you want to go to Disneyland -- how can you make it relevant to scouting, and are you willing to do extra fundraising?
  34. 1 point
    The current Boy Scout Handbook says First Class within about 12-18 months. Scouts in my son's troop are taking longer (than they were previously) to make First Class primarily because they have trouble tracking their fitness activities at home for TF/FC/SC.
  35. 1 point
    No, not talking about cutting them loose and do it on their own. Its my understanding each den will have its own cookbox. The campout that isn't going to happen this time we were going to cook breakfast and dinner at the den level. Tigers do Tiger Bites so they have (at least mine do) an understanding of what is healthy and what isn't. I see no reason they can't help plan the menu. They can't cook but in instances they can sure help prepare. Foil pack meals come to mind. If each den had its own dining fly to set up.... Tigers can help unfold the tarp, they can help straighten lines, etc. They cant drive stakes or set poles upright. They can start seeing how a particular knot is used. Start learning to work as a team with a tangible goal. It didn't happen this year but next year I fully intend on Denner elections on a regular basis for their Wolf year. I think there is a lot that can be done that is age appropriate while preparing for the eventual crossover to the troop. I do not believe making "sit upons" does anything to achieve that goal. Yes, I saw this week on FB of big plans to have a den decorate a bucket and make a cushion seat with pretty fabric.
  36. 1 point
    Yep - like many things in Scouting, I think the OA has lost it's luster because the people in it have stopped giving it luster. One can't be entrusted with the OA in your district, phone it in, and expect it to be a great program. I think many havn't gotten that message.
  37. 1 point
    When you say "acting as patrols," do you mean in regards to camping only, or through the whole program in general? I will be frank - as a Webelos leader and an child educator I am not in favor of this idea. The patrol method is, specifically, allowing the boys to manage their own affairs, and leaving them to their own devices when it comes to activities, cooking, etc. Boys of Cub Scout age are too young for this practice to work. There is solid educational, pedagogical support for the leaders guiding activities for boys this young. They need to have solid, positive modeling for how activities are supposed to work in the first place, and they don't have the self-discipline, knowledge or skills they need at this age to do that on their own. As a Child Development Specialist, I would intervene immediately if I knew a Pack near me was attempting to fully implement the patrol method. The Webelos program is where preparation for the Patrol Method begins - they practice it for a month, and then spend time talking about it and how it succeeds (or fails) based on their experience. They do NOT implement it fully; the purpose of the adventure is to prepare them for Boy Scouts by giving them a sample of what the program will be like - it is not the program itself, nor should it be. Jump-starting the Boy Scout program by pushing it in Webelos is not age-appropriate, nor is it wise - the programs are different for a reason, and the boys are being short-changed out of the wonderful Webelos program that is in place by skipping forward to the Boy Scout methods without giving them the full Webelos/Arrow of Light experience. What surprises me is that the scaffolding of skills and knowledge clearly delineated from rank to rank seems to be largely ignored by this move. Each Cub rank's adventure are specifically designed to gradually move boys towards Patrol practices, but by setting the example through attentive adult leadership appropriate to their ages. Tigers especially need hands-on support from their leaders and parents, not just to get things done safely and correctly, but emotionally as well - remember, these are still children, and they deserve to be treated as such. Once they are old enough for Boy Scouts, you can loosen the tether on them more safely. Now, as far as cooking and setting up at camp activities - sure, let them help out, and PLEASE make them a part of the fun. But DON'T expect them to be self-sufficient at this age, and don't treat them like patrols. The Den System is designed for boys this age - don't move them up before they are ready, don't cheat them out of the Cub Program by skipping ahead, and let them be children with loving, involved leaders who help and guide them so that, when they are finally old enough for Boy Scouts, they are truly prepared for the program. *** Despite all this, a nice dining fly set-up is always nice, and looks great at festivals and events.
  38. 1 point
    Another reason, IMHO, that the Order has lost its interest. When it truly was not simply something you could get into by becoming First Class and doing a bit of camping, while staying on the good side of the adults, it actually was an honor. Now the mystique is gone, and it is simply something else to take up your time in too many lodges, and participation is generally sash and gone for the majority. There are still some lodges that have managed to keep some of the deeper interest, but not in our area. Ceremonies are not only no longer really semi-secret, but most of them are read from scripts, often obviously not even pre-read, and regalia is minimal. For the past few years, I have spoken to all the technically eligible scouts and point blank asked them if they really care to elected, and if so will actually go to the Ordeal and give it a try afterward. There is no point in calling them out if they are not going to follow through. But we still do elections, and have a few members occasionally get more involved for a time.
  39. 1 point
    The BSA's fundamental flaw in training is that they assume basic training is sufficient. It is not. The fundamental problem with all of this is that the program is too complex to be understood in a basic training. Look how much time we spend around here talking about patrol method and boy led. It's ridiculous that every troop does this a different way. For the BSA to really fix this, they need to either: - reduce the complexity of the program - develop a real Scoutmaster training. To go to SM training, you should have been an ASM for a while and understand the basics well. Like Wood Badge (I duck as I write this), the staff needs to be pulled from those Scoutmasters that really understand the program. This should be followed up by a mentoring program. Take those experienced Scoutmasters and have them mentor the new Scoutmasters.
  40. 1 point
    I'll let someone else spin this about something like who's got any news about WSJ acceptances ... @FireStone, don't get me wrong. I want boys to master first class skills ASAP. Girls too ... my crew, when active, goes for wilderness, and we only go as deep as skills allow. The sooner those skills are mastered, the sooner we can make better hike plans, do better service projects, build honor guards, support civic ceremony, cook really good meals, etc ... But, I'm in no hurry to put a patch on a scout who hasn't mastered the skills in those requirements. And for all but disabled boys that is met, not by time spent in the program, but rather time spent on the program. A boy spending 5 hours a week and an overnight a month working on advancement will rank up right quick ... an hour a week and camping once a quarter will take a good couple or five years.
  41. 1 point
    In the true spirit of political correc........ I mean safety, it is now called Call Out, and no contact is allowed.
  42. 1 point
    I posted this before, but I think it's pertinent here I had two sons two years apart both joined scouting when they turned11 and stayed till they were 18. both had in their own words a blast. both were elected Patrol leader, senior patrol leader, to rhe OA,and both count the time they spent in scouts as some of the best times of their life. One of the made eagle, the other managed to get to first class after five years. Different people, but both success stories.
  43. 1 point
    It’s a big reason we do our own because no one wanted to sit through 2-3 hours of scouts and adults being called out. Instead we do ours before camporee and then hang out on Saturday night and do our own special camp fire.
  44. 1 point
    Our troop let’s each candidate stand up and be recognized so guys know who they’re voting for. We also announce their service hours and camping night. Our SM introduced this idea and the plc kept it because it really helped make it less of a popularity contest.
  45. 1 point
    I don't really see the night as a hindrance at all.... we did it at night in the cub scouts....although that was a very simple level.... Still, I think the darkness reduces the chances of sneaking with the eyeball to find a small waypoint marker. When i was searching for it back for the cubs, I found lots of really great ideas for scavenger hunt type things using a compass..... the clues for the next waypoint would be hidden at the waypoint you're trying to find like in a baloon....but there would be lots of decoy balloons with bad clues inside so you couldn't just find it by eye. For the cubs, I believe we just used a small marker, like a coin I think.... Lots of great ideas out there.
  46. 1 point
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  47. 1 point
    As a former LDS New Scout Leader, I can confirm that these 11 year-old patrols do function very much like Webelos Dens, with lots of indoor and outdoor instruction. That first year is structured as a soft introduction into Boy Scouts. That is one reason why they are limited to just 3 nights of camping. Dads accompany sons on every campout during that first year (by design). There may be other weaknesses of the model, but I do not necessarily agree that learning is compromised by this approach. It is an intensive year of skill building. A variety of resources are enlisted to teach these skills in a quality way. In our troop's New Scout program, only about half the Scouts make it to First Class during that first year. Corners are not cut. The boys who do make it to First Class by age 12 typically do a fair amount of skill mastery at home and then pass off requirements to their Scout leader. The son of our current New Scout Leader just turned 12 as a Tenderfoot. He obviously didn't give his own son a free pass. Personal drive is the primary factor in who makes it to First Class by age 12. However, that milestone seems to determine whether a Scout ultimately reaches Eagle. If they slow-walk through the lower ranks, they typically never catch up by age 18 (and that's ok).
  48. 1 point
    That's all very well and good but how would you do that during an EBOR? Very few Scouters know the rules and process well enough to help in such a manner. Couple that with some overzealous district person who is full of themselves and their own "power" and you have the making for a unnecessary paperwork showdown which takes both time and effort. The silver bullet to all of this is simply filling out the form and getting the district rep to sign it at the same time he's singing off on the proposal. Done! Needless? Perhaps. But 5 minutes at this phase can save a candidate a ton of headache down the road. And if they don't have an Eagle advisor then they're not at the mercy of some egotistical district rep full of self-importance.
  49. 1 point
    Dang if I know. When my Son was SPL he kept asking the adults for some cost numbers on trips (for over a year). So he and the PLC could...you know....actually take ownership and plan trips with a budget (I know what a concept!). He got constantly stonewalled. I brought it up at committee as well. I think a lot of it was transportation costs...that has been a big cost driver, along with expensive 'group' meals (the popular "lets stop at Golden Corral on the drive home") and "we need to put the boys up at a hotel along the way". The solution is Patrol campouts. Amazing how cheap those got.
  50. 1 point
    Update: Dec 29, 2017: Two years ago, a Superior Court judge effectively ended attempts by a Hingham developer to buy Camp Richard, the Nantucket property used by generations of Boy Scouts for nature hikes, overnight excursions and campfires. Judge Gary Nickerson ruled that the 100 acres of open space between Lovers Lane and Fairgrounds Road should forever remain a “campsite for the scouts of Nantucket,” and must be transferred back to its original owner, the Nantucket Civic League, if it is used for any other purpose. The Cape & Islands Council of the Boy Scouts of America, which controlled the property, had previously agreed to sell up to 30 acres to Atlantic Development for $5 million or more. Citing 1955, 1971 and 1972 deed restrictions, the property can only be used for scouting purposes, Nickerson said. But he also ruled – without any evidentiary hearings – that ownership of the property was to remain in a trust controlled by the off-island council, which didn’t sit very well with the island-based Camp Richard Campers Association, which has been running the camp for decades, the Nantucket Civic League and the Nantucket Land Council, which joined in the fight to save the camp. They (Camp Richard Campers Association, the Nantucket Civic League and the Nantucket Land Council) eventually appealed Nickerson’s ruling, which was heard earlier this month by a three-judge panel in Boston. http://www.ack.net/news/20171229/camp-richard-appeal-heard Jan 25, 2018: The island organization (Camp Richard Campers Association) that has run the Camp Richard Boy Scout camp for decades believes it should be the legal owner of the 100-acre property between Lovers Lane and Fairgrounds Road. It will now have another chance to make that point, after the state appeals court last week overturned a ruling granting ownership to an off-island scouting group, the Cape & Islands Council of the Boy Scouts of America. The debate stems from an agreement two years ago by the Cape & Islands Council of the Boy Scouts of America to sell a portion of the property to Hingham-based Atlantic Development for $5 million, and local efforts – backed by the Nantucket Civic League (former owner of the property) and the Nantucket Land Council – to bar the sale. http://www.ack.net/news/20180125/nantucket-scouts-win-one-in-camp-richard-case