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  1. Who moderates the moderators

    I'd guess the answer might be whoever it is that actually owns this board. Who is that anyway?
  2. Scouter Magazine

    to the original post.... way too funny. I had the EXACT same thoughts about both mags this month when I looked through them the other night....
  3. I haven't been to our council's camp in a couple years now, but the way it was..... there's a small shelter at each site, just barely big enough for one picnic table under a roof. There's an outlet there. Not uncommon to see extension cords spread from there to nearby tents. As I understand it, they have remodeled so that every site has a screened in shelter, with some sort of bunk house in the back for Scouters...basically a room big enough for a few bunks. I would assume there's power. No such thing at the last place I went to summer camp. One of our ASM's brings a marine battery for his cpap. I always thought that if I were him I'd rig up a small dolly for the battery, complete with charger. That way he could wheel the thing up to the dining hall or wherever mid week to recharge if need be
  4. I was thinkink about this thread yesterday, and how hard it is to know these sorts of things....gear being a very individual thing but I was thinking that one of those small swiss army knives (a name brand quality one)or maybe a small multi-tool I would think would likely be a hit regardless. Even if i have one or more I'd still appreciate another...and even if I was a knife collector and preferred some completely different kind of knife, it's still handy to throw into a day pack or sopmeplace as another backup.
  5. Backpack what you describe (The scouts themselves taking ownership and saying what they want to do I mean....) is what I'd guess is missing in a large majority of troops. I know it is at least in our case...and a big reason my son has dropped. Instead, what I have seen is more of a cub scouts on steroids approach Meetings are boring They don't really want to come.... and I'd venture a guess that a high number of our scouts, if pressed, would likely give a similar answer about being "made to come". Some are just better about making the most of it than others are.... It's pretty clear many aren't all that jazzed about it, so I'd GUESS that many, if not made to go, are encouraged to with things like you can't drive until you make eagle or, if you don't do scouting then you have to do sports or, something else like that.... a choice that they don't want to make.
  6. Curious How You'd All Handle...

    yeah, we always did the first signed up, first paid thing.... although i don't think we ever really had much of a problem with this. Even on the trips where we had to reserve a specific head count such as sleeping on the aircraft carrier, we were always able to add, or had a drop or two that could be filled. And I agree no way to give priority to cubs, since the cubs wouldn't come alone. That last point I find interesting though, since as my younger daughters are coming up through daisies and brownies, parents are very much discouraged form attending their "camps". It's scouts and leaders only at a very young age. Mind you it's cabin "camping" only at the GS reservation so a very controlled environment and they are not going it on their own.
  7. Which came first Patrol or Troop?

    I think this is a very interesting thread. Points to a fundamental failing me thinks. Semantics in a way, sure.... but I'd guess that near 100% of us scouters joined a troop when we were young. Boys today also join a troop. Patrols are usually the afterthought but I think that this thinking is fundamentally wrong, and points to one of the largest failings in the BSA today. If we would all twist our thinking around on this, to much of what has been written here in the thread....patrols as a core, sometimes coming together as a troop to compete etc... with a scoutmaster overseeing just enough to keep the patrols out of trouble (the trespassing example) and on track, etc.... This written regrettably, as my tenure as a registered scouter is coming to a close in about 8 weeks time, because my son lost interest in scouting and quit.....and I just don't have the gumption to keep on with it given that i see it as a broken system that I alone can in no way fix.
  8. Does your Troop have dues?

    our troop has charged $100, which long ago was determined by some long ago scouter, as a good round number that hits the target pays for national dues at recharter boys life and pays into the bank account for general stuff. It more or less pays for advancement patches, etc.... scouters pay the cost of national dues Then, we typically charge $20 for the monthly camp out as grub fee. If you go, it costs $20 a head for the scouts..... Scouters/adults generally just split whatever the cost is for the food for the adults More often than not, camp outs are a slight profit maker for the troop, considering that often some of the drivers don't submit their gas expenses, etc... Not saying I like the approach exactly, its just what we do.
  9. "Boy lead" Programs - Presentations?

    great question. I'd say perhaps. I can think of an example of a time, not related to patrol assignments, but instead the patrol name. Still an example that shows similar idea. The scouts voted on patrol name, but instead of trying to find consensus, the majority ruled...lead by a very overbearing scout. So the patrol had a name and a patch, that not quite half of the scouts did not want to sew on their uniforms. In defense of the scouts, they did not even know the meaning of the word consensus. That, in my opinion, is an example where a SM can earn his pay with some gentle nudging and coaching BEFORE something like that gets set in stone.....to head of that win/loose with a win/win instead
  10. "Boy lead" Programs - Presentations?

    in our case, it was fuzzier than that. Not really the whim of the scoutmaster, exactly. like with a lot of things, "the boys decided" but I would contend that yeah, they might have come up with the idea, or otherwise decided.....but often it was at the steerage of the adult(s)....sometime that even happens almost subconsciously, with the adult not really intending it, but the little hints and nudges can be an influence no doubt
  11. POR review

    another way the committee can and should "monitor" this sort of thing is through the boards of review....with the goal being to monitor the "health" of the troop and advise the SM....nothing more well, I had a somewhat "harsh" reaction to reading the post I think tampa turtles photo nailed it.... ...as a natural reaction to arm the anti-aircraft defenses! It's just another example of helicopter adults with too much time on their hands apparently, making up new ways to over complicate the works
  12. "Boy lead" Programs - Presentations?

    I'll let that one go with just a ....well, for starters... you are right. Nothing wrong with changing classes, or changing teams. They can do it, sure no problem... but that aint the point here' We're talking scouts, and I'm referring to the basic 'original' concept of it (as I understand it).... not talking about classes and school. Most boys don't like school, and those that do don't come to scouts to get more of it.... We wouldn't want to make scouting into school classes, because it seems like that could really hurt in a lot of ways.....oh, wait... . that already happened. Seriously though, the only reason I'm making the "gang" concept "critical" is because it was a fundamental principal that baden powel used in formulating this whole game of scouting using a patrol method. I guess that's only just a little tiny reason I suppose.... "want to" being a key point in my thinking. I personally don't for a second think that it can't happen in mixed ages. Of course it can. The bigger point is that age is not even a variable to be considered, in my opinion.....it's the "want to". Now usually, the age range will be rather narrow.... plus or minus 1 grade typically in my observations, so maybe 3 years or so in age.... uh, yeah.... I'm not so sure about that being such a firm absolute. Acquaintances sure, friends not always..... Now here I agree with you. One or two friends, sure...all is good. Start to feel comfortable after a few meetings.....ok, sure.... Joining a functioning patrol....sure good, but they probably want that one or two friends in order to feel comfortable but fostering really solid patrol pride/spirit.... well that takes time together. Shuffle them apart every now and then, well they start over....or more likely don't even try. Don't get me wrong here....I'm not trying to foster the "NSP" idea. No, not at all. Personally, I like the idea of "patrol". Not forced, not aged, not anything....just "patrol" If that patrol happens to be made up of mostly or totally newer scouts, so be it. That one might just have to be groomed along a bit differently by the other scouts in the troop.
  13. What do you mean by "men" and "manly"?

    well put, Colonel!
  14. "Boy lead" Programs - Presentations?

    in the big scheme of things, not much at all! That I think it a major problem.... what I was getting at ....& I suppose it may have been poorly written...was not to be critical of you or your experience....just to say that any time the patrol selections are set from outside the natural boy-group, it's not the pure "gang" of friends that purely and simply chose to be. By the time the 1970's rolled around, things were well underway into the big ship of rules and procedures that we call the BSA. That's all I was getting at. It's a far cry from the group of neighborhood guys that were friends already, choosing collectively to play this game of scouting. Not so unlike how little league baseball might differ quite a lot from sandlot neighborhood pickup games.....
  15. What do you mean by "men" and "manly"?

    From BP's Aids to Scoutmastership, "The girls are the important people, because when the mothers of the nation are good citizens and women of character, they will see to it that their sons are not deficient in these points. As things are, the training is needed for both sexes, and is imparted through the Boy Scouts and Girl Guides (Girl Scouts) Movements. The principles are the same for both. It is only in the details that they vary." (bolding emphasis is mine) I think the details in which they differ are quite self evident if one is intellectually honest with themself.