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  1. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    When my son went through, there was no requirement to camp with a troop. Wasn't even suggested by the handbook, nor did a troop invite us to. We did a troop visit with a couple of the local troops and I honestly didn't care for those either because they were dog and pony shows for the Webelos, not typical troop meetings or activities.
  2. Cub Scout Patrols

    Don't knock the "sit upon".... Use one when dove hunting. Has a cooler liner to keep my water and Gatorade cold while in the field!
  3. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    It has been a few years since I was involved at the Cub Scout level, so things may have changed... but back then, the training for the Webelos den leader didn't exactly prepare them. The problem I see is that unless the leader has been involved with Boy Scouts previously as a youth, or has had a child in Boy Scouts, they just don't know what Boy Scouts is. Hard to transition boys to a program that you know nothing about! The Webelos program itself was not geared towards transition either when my son went through. The Outdoorsman Activity is the only one that I remember that encouraged a troop visit in the requirements. If it is really a transition, then the Webelos den should be engaged with a Troop as well. However, that puts an extra burden on the PLC of a troop to prepare more things for Webelos to come and do with the troop. Webelos is an awkward time in the program... too old for Cub Scouts, but too young for a troop.
  4. Have you spoken with your Scout Master about this? Is he advising you to do the form?
  5. No, the beneficiary is doing the fundraising. They set up the website, not the scout. They collect funds, not the scout.
  6. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    We obviously have that as well. My point is that even though it is a NSP, they have an older boy that joins their patrol to be their patrol leader and teach them their basic scouting skills. Our Instructors lead demonstrations at the troop level, where our Troop Guides are directly tied to the first year patrols.
  7. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    I like the idea of NSPs... and how it was implemented in our troop. Although I can see where you might say it is Cub Scoutish... maybe what Webelos should be. We do have an ASM that is assigned to work with the first year scouts specifically, and once a month they have a first year meeting or outing to work on requirements. But we also have a Troop Guide that is assigned as their patrol leader to teach them scouting skills on campouts. When a boy in the group reaches First Class, he is made the Patrol Leader and the Troop Guide takes a step back. He still helps and guides, but now that NSP has an actual Patrol Leader participating in PLC. They do focus quite a bit on advancement, but the thought is that be getting them to First Class at around 1 yr, they have a bigger part in the troop and are more likely to stay with the troop. So it is a retention based concept as well.
  8. If we aren't going to follow the process, then why have the process at all? The Eagle Scout Project should be complete and signed off before the EBOR... It's a done deal at that point. Questions on fundraising should have been asked and answered during the proposal phase. This is why so many say that the paperwork is too complicated... because too many insist on taking extra steps just in case. Read the doc, follow the instructions...
  9. I get what you are saying... but as the Eagle mentor, I would have gone over his head and removed that roadblock. The Eagle candidate has enough on his plate without having someone add to the requirements.
  10. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    I agree with this. With my own son, he was on the fast track as well... He earned Life Scout in just over 2 years and 6 months. There was not an intentional push by his mother or I, but he was afforded many opportunities to complete merit badges in the first troop he was in. I told him that we were going to slow him down on advancement... I didn't want to see Eagle until he was in high school. I was afraid he might "Eagle Out" before he was even old enough to do high adventure! I didn't want him to participate less, just get his focus off of advancement. So, the first Summer Camp after we made this decision, he is selecting what merit badges he wants to do. He asked me if he could really sign up for whatever classes he wanted, because his prior troop required each boy to take an Eagle required merit badge class. I told him to sign up for whatever he wanted. He signed up for all of the water based activities and loved every minute of it. Came home and said that was the most fun he has had at Summer Camp because he wasn't worried about rank requirements and finishing merit badges. That's what camp should be... having fun! And if you happen to sign off some requirements as well, that's gravy!
  11. The instructions clearly state that if the beneficiary is doing the fundraising, then the form is not needed. Requiring the form when not needed is adding an additional requirement and is a waste. My son's Eagle Project was similar, with all material for the project being provided by the beneficiary through a grant that they received. No fundraising form needed, and no one questioned it at all.
  12. Why would you advise him to fill out the form and send it in if it is not needed? The beneficiary is doing the fundraising.
  13. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    Agree... I think some are seeing "Family Scouting" and interpreting as "Family Camping"... Which I hope it does not turn into! The way I see it is that "Family Scouting" is about branding. Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts have been male only, but we are now allowing girls to join so we need to change the brand and perception from male only to all inclusive. The infographic is interesting that it shows the coed Pack as the "Family" choice, because both male and female siblings can join the same pack.. thus "Family Scouting". At the time, the pitch was separate but equal at the troop level, but I expect this will change and soon we will see the age 11-17 line mirror the 6-10 line, for the many reasons we have discussed here.
  14. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    So, in that chart, where it says 6-10 yrs old, and it says Boys Cub Scouts... Is family not allowed there? Think about for a second. If your interpretation is that this is about "family camping", what would be new there? Family camping has always been part of Cub Scouting. There is a difference between "family camping" and "family scouting". The new part is including girls... giving families more options under the BSA umbrella.