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  1. I just was watching the video with Bryan and Anthony Berger (sp?). What was the deal with the neckercheifs they were wearing? Did I miss a topic somewhere?
  2. Respectfully, I see it differently. The program of the BSA really have never been the primary problem for the BSA. It's been loss of interest. Changing the basics of the program won't help. What will help is a concerted effort to make it more fun. Not fun through different badges, but more fun through a better understanding and application of the program we already have.
  3. That's one of my few purist hopes. I do not want to see the uniform go away.
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    Committee Members for BORs

    We have an assistant Advancement Chair the serves as the Board of Review Coordinator. He's generally at meetings twice a month. We ask scouts to contact him ahead of time to let him know, but it's not a strict rule. If a scout shows up and requests one, he'll organize it on the spot if possible. Part of the role of the BOR Coordinator is to develop training materials for adults. We will have any non ASM sit on a BOR. It could be a parent or Committee Member. Over time, the BOR Coodinator has built up enough folks that are knowledgeable in conducting a board that we always have a lead adult who is experienced and two other adults who may or may not be. This has worked very well for us and has been a great way to get an outgoing parent involved.
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    Just curious about background

    I think it has less to do with Scouting history and a lot more to do with geography. I'm east coast born, raised, and educated. I live in a pretty progressive city and have for 20 years. I'd suggest if we do that, let's start a separate thread. I think that cuts down on the tendency to try & convince others.
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    Just curious about background

    I'm excited about the recent changes as well. Initially I was apprehensive about girls, but after a couple of months I thought it through and am very excited about it. I'm a father with a son and two daughters. I love my daughters dearly and want them to have the same opportunities that I did. They are both Girl Scouts now and may stay that way - it's their choice. But, I'm very excited that they have the opportunity to benefit from the program that I did. I was a Cub Scouts and earned Arrow of Light. I was a Boy Scout and stopped at Star. I was not OA. As an adult, I've not been a Scoutmaster - but have been: Asst. Cubmaster, Cubmaster, Den leader, Pack Committee Chair, Troop Committee Chair, Crew Committee Chair, and District Committee member. My brother is a Life for Life and OA member. My father was an Eagle, Webelos Den leader, and Cubmaster. My grandfather a Scoutmaster and Silver Beaver recipient. Scouting has very deep ties in our family.
  7. And as a boy, I'd have been just as comfortable reading a magazine called Scouts Life. It's not the BSA changing it's name to accomodate a few people. The intent of the BSA is to be co-ed. Strikes me that they are making it pretty clear to girls that it's their program too now.
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    Breaking Point

    I'm not sure if you're talking about today or in the future, but I don't find the Eagle to be the chief marketing tool. Honestly - I don't see a lot of BSA marketing at all, so I don't think "Join Scouts and earn Eagle" is that much of a thing. In my area, Scouts generally join because it seems fun. Many stick around to earn Eagle, but I've never seen a Scout openly say - "I'm only, or even primarly, here to earn Eagle"
  9. Or removing the word boy from the name and magazine of an organization for girls and boys would just be the logical thing to do.
  10. Somehow I don't think the girls give two hoots whether it's called "Boys Life" or "Scout Life". Since it looks like the editors did a search and replace on "Boys Life" and replaced it with "Scout Life". They add a few more pictures with girls. Sounds exactly like the same magazine to me.
  11. Now, where do I see the BSA In 5-10 years. Coed - all units will be fully coed. No-one will think twice about it starting in 2022. By that time the old "boys only" folks will be aging out and members will only know a co-ed Scouting program. Boys and Girls will get along just fine. Membership numbers - membership will decline until 2021. At that point, the new girls joining will offset the natural decline in the number of boys joining. We will see modest growth in the 2021+. Program - it will be exactly the same program we have now. Maybe a few new merit badges. Outdoor activities - same outdoor program we have now. Uniform - there will be a new uniform. It will look much like the old uniform - just as every Scout uniform has for 50 years. OA - the OA will still be called the OA, but they will move past the Native American costuming and ceremonies. The group will invent new ceremonies around the underlying themes, they just will look a little different.
  12. I have to admit - the last few pages were an interesting read. 80% losses because we admitted girls? Really? Fundamentally - almost nothing has changed in the program. We have the same ranks, same merit badges, same advancement process, same volunteer structure, same youth led troop, same camping plans, same high adventure bases, same patrol structure, same awards, same just about everything. So they change the name from "Boy Scouts" to "Scouts". They changed the name "Boys Life" to "Scouts Life" . Cosmetic changes. This isn't program. The BSA just admitted girls - what did you think would happen to the word "boy"? Oh my goodness yes. I'm not so much a supporter of the recent changes as I am a supporter of Scouting and the BSA. I am so very tired of the constant prediction of the demise of the BSA & the constant derogatory comments about the BSA leadership and professionals. I can't help but feel I could post about the color of Scout socks and it would be turn into a discussion about how the BSA will be dead in 5 years. Sounds like a nice idea this one time.
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    Breaking Point

    While it might be nice for the DE to do a little more proactive outreach, this sounds about right. The DE is a district level player. If you guys are not involved at the district level and just focus internally - then why would he interact with you?
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    2018 GUIDE TO SAFE SCOUTING

    I've had Scouters try to jump through hoops before to get around G2SS rules by saying - we'll, if I do it and it's not really Scouting - is that OK. My guess is that's what they are trying to get around.
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    Win All You Can

    I think I missed something when I took the course, because it really didn't impact me or my patrol. I will always remember that at the cracker barrel after the game, the staff kept asking us if we were OK. We were baffled why they were so concerned. But, having gone back as a staffer and then also talking to lots of folks, I do understand it. I think it's unfortunate how it impacts people. The core message I'm OK with - check the natural desire to personally win against the much larger benefit the group gains by succeeding together. A little I'm reminded about the Mike Rowe topic. I see the Game of Life as kind like Wood Badge throwing an elbow. It's unpleasant, but it makes a point and leaves a memory.
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    Breaking Point

    I think the professional is just giving you grief about having a breaking point. This period in Scouting history is testing us all - I wouldn't sweat it.
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    BSA Executive Salaries

    It seem to me the implication of the fact that the district volunteers really run the district is that there really shouldn't be much the DE does directly for units. Yes, the DE needs to be an ambassador of the professional staff. But, expectations like the DE arranging programming, informing units about activities, etc. are really beyond the role description. Now, I would expect the DE to have developed relationships with the primary outward facing volunteers in the units - the CC, SM/CM/Advisor, and the COR (if they are active). A DE probably doesn't need to know the ASMs, den leaders, etc., but it might not hurt. It certainly would not hurt the BSA to develop a couple of jobs for a DE that endears them to unit level volunteers. Not quite sure what those would be, but it probably would help the image of the DE role. I've heard this as well - they have a special status that allows them to represent the council to the COs. That's why they do the CO visits and not a district volunteer.
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    BSA Executive Salaries

    Yes - let's not get into debate of who cares more - volunteers vs. professionals. That's will never end. It's pretty clear from the structure of the BSA that volunteers are designed to run things. The phrase I've heard time and time again is "volunteer led, professionally guided". The challenge of course is that someone has to keep the lights on. The professional staff, by the nature of being paid staff, is in a unique position to fill in the gaps left by volunteers. I suspect many professionals find it easier to skip the volunteer role and go straight to just doing it themself. I think this has been compounded by the fact that the district committees have been neglected for many years. I tihnk this creates the impression that the DEs are in charge, but they really are not supposed to be.
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    Condom Distribution at World Jamboree

    Ok, so here's the current issue list: 1) should the BSA attempt to change WOSM rules such that they match BSA rules? 2) should the BSA attend a WOSM event if there are rules more permissive than BSA rules? 3) should BSA leaders be empowered to instruct youth on the differences between BSA rules and WOSM rules. FWIW - my opinion on the above. 1. Depends, but probably not. In the case of condom distribution - this is an unsettled social topic with pros and cons on both sides. 2. Yes - the pros of attending a WOSM outweighs the risks taken on by having condoms available. 3. Yes - without doubt. Leaders should be free to highlight rule differences.
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    Condom Distribution at World Jamboree

    Feels to me like we're essentially at the same place. We just disagree on whether the BSA should participate or not. Not sure there's really an answer here so much as a choice.
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    Condom Distribution at World Jamboree

    Does kinda seem like the same thread doesn't it
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    Condom Distribution at World Jamboree

    I think that's part of it. It's not the CO model itself, but the fact that individual religions represent large proportions of the COs. When you have any religion that is 10% of the COs, I have to imagine they will influence policy. I think there are probably others. One is the headquarters location. BSA - Irving, TX. GSUSA - NYC. I have to imagine some of these things are influenced by the working staff in the headquarters office.
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    Condom Distribution at World Jamboree

    Yeah - not sure what it is about the BSA, but we always seem to be influenced a lot more by our conservative members. The GSUSA not so much.
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    Condom Distribution at World Jamboree

    Honestly I think this is a much better question. Should the BSA participate in or host a WSJ if the rules in conflict with our own G2SS. Me - I'd say yes. The experience of a WSJ is significant enough that attending is worth the exception for these cases. Further, the BSA should make it crystal clear to a participant from within the BSA that the rules are different. Make parents sign a document stating that they are aware of this difference.
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    Condom Distribution at World Jamboree

    Not knocking the perspective, but I see it very differently. This is the World Scout Jamboree. This is a big deal. Having it here on our turf will allow so many more Scouts to attend. If my son hadn't bailed on scouting, I'd have signed him up in a heartbeat. I can accept that the BSA made an exception and is following the guidelines of the WOSM. It's like a host country making an exception for the Olympics. If the BSA refused to host it because of this, I would be very disappointed. I can deal with these exceptions so that our scouts get the opportunity to attend the WSJ. Beyond that, I see this as the BSA showing some humility. The USA is but one of many national Scouting organizations. That the USA isn't trying to impose our will on other countries I find very noble.
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