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By Better4itall · Posted
It seems our professionals (at both the national and at least one council level) have forgotten the Scout Motto, or perhaps never took it to heart. We have a new Council Executive and he attended a council training class for the fall school recruiting season. One of his staff gave a briefing on the new fee structure, and the new rolling renewal. When asked about how that renewal will work he passed the question to the Scout Executive, who had to dance around the fact that he did not have the answers. This was in spite of the fact that he opened with stories of returning from the national meeting recently. The fact that those answers were not available at the national meeting when the new program was announced speaks volumes to the professionalism of national staff, but more importantly, they were not prepared. In spite of that they announced the program. Our local staff then was put in the position. of not being prepared to explain the program to the affected units, and while national needs to be held accountable for only giving half measure, our local professionals also had the responsibility to hold national to account for that failure rather than just delivering the message. If that had happened, they would not have to be held to account by their units for not having the answers. So our Council Executive was put on the spot, publicly. Instead of simply admitting that he did not have the answers when asked, he gave permission for the units to "vent", and reminded everyone that the programs was going in place in less than 60 days, like it or not. I'm not going to go through the 12 points of the Scout Law, but that missed a lot of them. We teach the Scouts in our units that leadership is about responsibility and accountability, and that the most effective leaders are collaborative and lead by example. The examples our volunteers were shown at that training event reflected none of that. If this was an isolated incident, it could be framed as an outlier, rushing in order to get improved funding in place. But it is not. There has been a pattern of incomplete programs being announced from national that have real-world consequences for unit leaders, chartering organizations and councils. Our nation is in desperate need of effective leaders everywhere, and one of the most reliable sources of that leadership no longer seems up to the task. -
By HashTagScouts · Posted
2nd grade would have been Wolf 3rd grade would have been Bear There was no Tiger program (1st grade) back at that point. Yes, it would have been blue uniform throughout your time in the Cub Scout program. You can find the slide at a Scout Shop today, and there are plenty of the vintage ones still around for sale. Most of us went through a few of them during our time in Cubs, as they flew off fairly easy as we chased each other around. -
It also appears the unit number might have a 3rd digit? As it would likely have been centered under the council patch, and the 4 appears to be in the middle. -
I was a Cub in the same era...64-66. We were all in the same Den and uniforms were the same until we got to Webelos, then a new den with a male leader. There was only one Cub uniform for all...same cap, same slide, same necker...it wasn't until recently that BSA decided that forcing everyone to purchase new uniform parts every year would be a good ideaI. We worked on our ranks at home...with our parents. The Den Mother just recorded the progress. In the den meetings, at the Den Mother's home right after school, we mainly worked on crafts and the occasional field trip. In the Webelos den, we started our transition to Scouts, but still no camping. The den number was replaced with a large blue "W" on a yellow diamond patch. There was typically only one Web den. Your first campout was reserved for real Boy Scouts and it was an adventure looked forward to with great anticipation...or trepidation. I love the mid-century modern furnishings...MSM is highly collectible now! I can almost smell the stale cigarette odor! Good times. PS: I have seen unit numbers anywhere from 1 to 4 digits. Depended on how your Council assigned them. In a small town, Pack 1 and Troop 1 would not have been unusual. I was in Pack 360. I think the official "national" unit designation was 4 digits, as I have seen my own Troop 99 listed as "3099" on official charter and paperwork. -
Thanks for your input. Would unit numbers have been 2 digits or 3 digits? Maybe I can find a pack list throughout the years. I lived in Oak Lawn IL and stayed at my Grandparent's house a lot near Midway Airport on the Southwest side of Chicago. UPDATE: I found a current online pack list for kids to join based on zip codes. It lists 3 locations based on my Oak Lawn zip code. Unit 3481 in Burbank (5 mins from Oak Lawn), Unit 3465 in Chicago (30 mins from Oak Lawn) and Unit 8475 in Chicago (20 mins from Oak Lawn). I was wondering if the word Chicago on my patch could be Chicago Ridge which is 5 mins from Oak Lawn. Chicago Ridge current Unit is 3665.
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