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  1. Summer Camp Woes 1 2 3

    By Abel Magwitch,
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  2. Save Camp Gustin

    By Ray Frechette,
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  3. Registration for 2011 Philmont Lottery

    By John-in-KC,
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  4. Next years camp info (Or lack thereof)

    By tagguy,
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  5. Summer Camp Woes 1 2

    By penst8,
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  6. Traveling to Summer Camp 1 2

    By penst8,
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  7. Looking for BWCAW outfitter recommendations

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  8. Do other troops skip the merit badge camp during the summer?

    By JerseyScout,
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  9. Interesting Boy Scout camp - Camp Dark Hammock

    By Knight,
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  10. Council Shooting Sports Committee

    By OldGreyEagle,
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  11. Prayers needed for Camp Shennandoah

    By SctDad,
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  12. Done

    By Eamonn,
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  13. Camp songs with chords

    By LightRust,
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  14. Citizenship and Communications MBs at Camp? 1 2

    By Herms,
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  15. Campmasters 1 2

    By shortridge,
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    • Eagle1993
      National Annual Reports

      By Eagle1993 · Posted

      I expect each time they did risk/benefit tradeoff discussions.  They may have been better talking with 3 guys at a food truck.  These decisions really started with Dale (perhaps you could argue it goes back to their partnership with the Mormon Church).  I'm sure each time they weighed the risks of change and did their best.. but clearly the end result has been failure. 1999- Keeping Gay scouts out... To prevent angering the Mormon Church, BSA fought to keep gay scouts out. In 1999/2000 there was limited blow back.  However, that grew over time and as the USA opinions on gays changed, BSA was clearly behind the times (similar to their delayed response to desegregation in the 1960s). 2013/2015 - Gay scouts/leaders admitted.... They stopped listening to the Mormon Church and realized the nation passed them by.  They probably made the decision 5 years too late, but it is what it is.  The damage was done for corporate donors, United Way and progressive areas.  However, I expect this started the clock for the Mormon Church to leave. 2018/2019 - Girls admitted... They knew the Mormons were leaving and felt they needed a new group of youth to recruit.  They wanted to minimize the impact to existing scouts so they attempted to minimize changes (single gender, BSA name stays the same, etc.).  They attempted to split the baby.... 2020 - Mormon leave BSA 2020-2024 Covid/Bankruptcy caused further damage 2025 - Scouting America.... They decided to go all in on relaunching BSA.  I expect they believe the BSA brand has been tarnished and they need a relaunch.  BSA membership and financials are atrocious so I expect they are more willing to be aggressive. What else is changing going forward?  I don't think a name change alone will do anything.  Perhaps it's time for them to talk to a few guys at the food truck.
    • Eagle1993
      National Annual Reports

      By Eagle1993 · Posted

      BSA mentioned this, which is why they added girls but kept girls in their own den and Troop.  The idea was that it would prevent any loss of boys while also adding girls.  Clearly that strategy didn't work, which is likely one reason why they are adding fully coed options.  No point in keeping them separated if it didn't keep scouts/scouters from quitting and many packs/Troops operated like coed units anyway.
    • qwazse
      National Annual Reports

      By qwazse · Posted

      I gave up referencing myself a while ago, so I won’t link to the thread that shows this data, but here goes anyway … while BSA was mulling over including girls in packs and troops (under the corporate double-speak “family scouting”), there was a WOSM census that revealed that membership declined in nearly every European country immediately after their scouting organization incorporated girls. Recovery to where they would have the same number of boys as they did before desegregation would take decades, if it has occurred yet at all. The UK took 25 years. So, if BSA is indeed about serving more youth, the strategy chosen is a very long term one — quite an anomaly for any American organization.
    • PACAN
      National Annual Reports

      By PACAN · Posted

      Just curious..did the BSA do any risk analysis on any of these decisions?    Or did they ask 3 people at the food truck and 2 said yes so they plowed ahead?     
    • Eagledad
      National Annual Reports

      By Eagledad · Posted

      Gays had very little influence one way or the other on membership until National decided to allow gays. That caused the exodus in numbers as well as as alumni funds. And that was the beginning of raising membership fees. Forcing scouting out of schools was done by the atheist. Non of the progressive activism really affected membership except for the girls. What really hurt the BSA the most was the financial support from past members. While liberal corporations taking away their support got all the media attention, it was the huge alumni pockets that hurt the most as National tried to walk the political tightrope. Barry

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