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  1. I hope you're right but I do want to point out that most of the growth, and interest, in scouting is in non first world countries. I'm not so sure WOSM cares all that much about the US. Also in general, even in third world countries, there is declining interest and support for organizations that are perceived as vestiges of colonialism. Scouting's connection to someone who fought in the Boer War in Colonial South Africa and was so associated with the British elite upper class does not augur well for the future given how social trends are going. It's a net negative and the only reason it hasn't
  2. We are all the Kool-Aid drinkers here, so we trend optimistic. Scouting is very difficult to understand and to administer compared to most other youth activities. I think there is a need for an outdoors oriented youth organization. I don't think scouting is it any longer. BP had a great idea for his time but times have changed. Maybe it's an opportunity for some other visionary to come up with a program that connects people to the world outside. I'm sure for awhile some vestigial scouting units will continue until they get sued or turned out but it won't last.
  3. Thanks. Those are a great idea. I just ordered some. We've been making our own out of rubber bands.
  4. I agree people can't seem to figure out how to wear a mask properly. However I think empirical evidence suggests that even poorly worn masks can help prevent transmission. The virus certainly seems to transmit more readily in settings where masks are not worn.
  5. We don't know a lot about Covid in general but the risk of contact transmission appears to be low, especially outside. There has been apparent transmission among youth athletes of sports where no one on one contact or equipment sharing occurs, like tennis. Masks, and as you point out frequent hand sanitizing, still seems to be prudent at this point, which is what I think the OP was asking for opinions on. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/science-and-research/surface-transmission.html
  6. There has been outdoors transmission even at outdoors sports practices so I think continued mask wearing for the time being is prudent. Kids forget and don't realize they are standing too close or they are downwind of someone who is infected. By the fall, it sounds like we'll have at least one vaccine available for kids 12 and up so that will also help.
  7. Because we're not seeing headlines that 83,000 claims have been filed against YMCA or B&GC. It's actually more damning of BSA if claims occur in those organizations when they sponsor a BSA program. Consider that YMCA oversees 9 million youth and B&GCs 4 million youth annually compared to BSA.
  8. I'm just thinking of all the small, rural UMC churches in our area who hosted units. Crumbling historic buildings and cemeteries, with small, dwindling congregations of maybe 10 to 15 elderly folks. A $10K ask would put them under. I'm sure it would be handled at a higher level, but then a lot of these congregations would likely be closed and consolidated. The only saleable asset they have would be a parsonage and once you sell that you can't really function.
  9. I'm starting to get really worried about the Methodist church. Far as I know, they don't have a lot of property like the Catholic church.
  10. The key thing with this virus appears to be distance, masking, and ventilation. Resident camps that had kids sleeping in cabins had issues last summer. Scout camps where everyone stayed in their own tent seemed to do surprisingly well. I think there is another layer of it in that the virus does not transmit well in sunny, dry, warm condition in the open air. It does transmit when the opposite is true, which can happen at camp. The rapid testing is not very helpful -- there are a lot of false negatives -- but it is better than a temperature check. You also need to be aware of wind conditions. I
  11. It's not the same argument because you've changed the topic. We're not talking about boy scout fatalities vs. say, youth football fatalities, we are talking about sexual abuse, but it's interesting that you brought it up. Fatalities are also another matrix apart from abuse where scouting also does not fare well in comparison. Youth football incidents have also been tracked since 1931 in reporting similar to BSA's IV files. The difference? Football data has been comparatively transparent, and used to foster ongoing conversations and program modifications. We in BSA had no idea how
  12. You've nailed the attitude that I think is so counterproductive to ever resolving youth protection issues in scouting. There are too many who want to rationalize away the situation because they somehow believe scouting is somehow the victim or that the good that it does is worth the cost of the damage.
  13. I think we've got to stop focusing on one thing. The IV files are just one symptom of a dysfunctional organization. There are a dozen things going wrong.
  14. It's not that any organization is special, it's that scouting creates specific and unique risks. I don't know if you noticed but one of those 4-H reports is from 2007 and the other is not about sexual abuse at all, it's about a bunch of teenage counselors running their own fight club. There are not a plethora of 4-H reports. BSA should be expected to have the gold standard YP program because it is the only youth organization that at least monthly has unrelated adults take unrelated kids off to remote locations without cameras or any other kind of public supervision for lengthy, overnight
  15. BSA is different by nature of what we do with kids and when and where we do it. I think you have to recognize that and understand it as a risk specific to scouting before you can make any headway with understanding why YP is such an issue. There is no huge issue in 4-H. There are very few cases reported involving 4-H leaders. No one's hiding them, they just haven't been reported. I'm sure there are some random adults attached to some random clubs that abused kids, but it's not occurring in the 4-H setting to the degree it does in scouting.
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