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About Eagle1993

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    Director of Engineering
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    Fishing, hiking, camping, scouts with my son, watching Chicago professional sports teams & spending time with my family
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    Earned Eagle in 1992, aged out then returned to Scouting when my son joined as aTiger. Committee Chair of my Pack since 2015. ADL of all girls den, daughter is Lion.

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  1. Eagle1993

    National Leadership, Surbaugh Leave of Absense

    I just went to council two weeks ago post Eagle BOR. They only needed the advancement sheet and the 2 page signed application to go to National, not the workbook. So perhaps this did change.
  2. Yes, private organization can discriminate if they can prove it conflicts with their organization mission/values. The Supreme Court has been fairly consistent. While I personally believe BSA made a mistake banning gay youth in the first place and an even bigger mistake fighting it so publicly in court, I don’t believe it was a primary cause of our massive membership drop. Nor do I believe that reversing the decision was the primary cause for further loss. If this was the case, the Coed Campfire program and the conservative Trail Life program would each have hundreds of thousands of youth. Both are barely the size of an average council. I’ve never had a youth leave the program that brought up the social issues. Only once, with a close friends who don’t join, was the gay ban brought up. They said they wouldn’t sign up their scout because of it... I explained that changed... they still didn’t sign up. BSA, outside of Eagle Scout, is not in the formula for getting little Jonny into the best colleges. STEM or STEAM education has replaced the Scout Law as the National crisis. Patrol method is messy, parents are not patient to let it work. Youth have plenty of other opportunities for entertainment and are typically already over scheduled. Done right, scouting is a fun experience that does teach critical values and skills our nation needs. Unfortunately, too few know this and I see further declines in membership ahead.
  3. Eagle1993

    National Leadership, Surbaugh Leave of Absense

    These things don’t magically happen. It takes dedication of many volunteers inside and outside the units at the District level to put on good programs. Yes, our unit has a lot of our own events throughout the year but it is greatly enhanced by broader outings. I could add some districts have talented unit commissions that help out struggling units. If districts and councils don’t matter, then why do certain council areas flourish and over perform in terms of youth participating in scouting and others languish? I don’t believe that is random. I believe when councils and district professionals find and support their experienced/solid council and district volunteers, it absolutely helps units perform well and deliver and improved program. Perhaps I should amend my initial summary... good Districts and Councils are vital to scouting.
  4. Eagle1993

    National Leadership, Surbaugh Leave of Absense

    At our District level, camporees have added a lot of value. Our Klondike, our on by district, is a Troop favorite. Council level summer camps, merit badge clinics (some) and a variety of partnerships with local universities and professional sports teams have helped provide solid experiences. In addition, my council has definitely helped on recruiting tasks. National... improving IT systems (Scoutbook linkages & online applications) along with high adventure plus program material. Now, I do question if our fees and fundraising are going to these areas in the most efficient way possible and I question all the layers of leadership.
  5. Eagle1993

    BSA Mortgages Philmont Scout Ranch

    Wikipedia battle continues. The info has once again been removed.
  6. Eagle1993

    BSA Mortgages Philmont Scout Ranch

    It was updated yesterday. Then deleted today as false information. The updated again. Wikipedia is fast.... Note that it is being edited by a user that was created 3 days ago and these are their only edits. Not stating it is false, but where this is included is clunky in the report so I expect more experienced Wiki users will continue to edit.
  7. Eagle1993

    LDS Youth Program for 2020

    Ha! Now, if you said Wilderness Survival I’m all in!
  8. Eagle1993

    National Leadership, Surbaugh Leave of Absense

    I wish him a full and speedy recovery.
  9. Eagle1993

    Scouter.com Slogan Contest

    In a web of trolls, talk Patrols here!
  10. Eagle1993

    Fee increase - observations

    The issue is what services does National provide that we are paying to receive. National does not provide facilities for meetings, any of the District or Council paid staff, most camps any scout goes to, etc. National provides the program outline (actual program materials comes with extra cost), insurance (but not the insurance that councils provide for injuries at outings), IT systems, and administrative overhead. The actual program is put on by units, districts and councils. The correct comparison is GSUSA, Trail Life, 4H, etc. who’s National fees are much less than BSA. My disappointment is not necessarily the increase, but the lack of any transparency on what they did to ensure their financial house gets back in order.
  11. Eagle1993

    on the trail to ... Scout?

    We have a lot of members stuck prior to Scout due to this Cyberchip requirement. As an individual or with your patrol, use the EDGE method and to teach Internet safety rules, behavior, and “netiquette” to your troop or another patrol. You are encouraged to use any additional material and information you have researched. Each member of the patrol must have a role and present part of the lesson. In general, the Cyberchip is the primary reason we end up with some backlog. The other requirements are easy and can occur at nearly any outing. Cyberchip also requires watching videos at home that tak an hour or so plus creating a contract with your parents. To me, this should be a Tenderfoot or even Second Class requirement. Let’s keep focus on basic scout skills and Patrol structure for scout rank. When I’ve talked with the scouts, all already cover internet safety in school, and they said the videos are outdated and goofy. The only valuable portion is going over the Troops electronic device policy.
  12. Eagle1993

    Troop t-shirts for summer camp

    Our shirts have an upside down camp map on the front. That way, they can lift up the bottom of the front of their shirt and have a camp map ready at all times.
  13. This topic came up after a recent PLC. My son just crossed over to the Troop this spring and I was asked to be SM. After refusing multiple times I reluctantly accepted. The first PLC meeting three adults were present (CC, a very experienced ASM and me). We sat at a table next to the scouts. After the meeting, I mentioned that I thought in general the scouts were very quiet. In addition, the one topic they talked about, asking for a change in electronic policy, their idea was shot down the the CC immediately. They asked me for some clarification and I had to correct some errors the CC made in his argument. I talked with the CC after the meeting and suggested we sit in a far off area, out of ear shot. The SPL can come over if needed, but in general we would come over for the last 10 mins to close out any discussions. The CC didn’t agree and that ended the conversation. Your point that scouts act differently when adults are around is 100% correct. I remember as a youth this is true and can see it as a new SM. Unfortunately, some adult leaders who claim units are youth led are afraid of actually allowing a youth led unit.
  14. Eagle1993

    Informal Observations on LDS Scouts

    Rough numbers. We have about 25,000,000 boys in scouting age in USA and about 2,000,000 members today... so about 8%. If 10% of LDS remain that would roughly be consistent with other groups.
  15. Eagle1993

    BREAKING - Fee Increase Numbers

    My area, summer camp is just under $400 but a one week YMCA overnight camp is over $800 (but they ask those that can afford to pay the true cost $900). In terms of overnight week long camps, BSA summer camps are a great value in my area and there are scouts I seem to only see during summer camp. Many parents are dual income and look to sign their kids up for week long camps throughout the summer when school is out. Hopefully this increase will be the end for a while. I do think some of my intermittent Cub Scouts may drop as the fees continue to increase.