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    • Even the smokers knew that it increased risk for death.  My father started smoking at the age of 12 and told me that they called cigarettes "coffin sticks" back that then. He died of lung cancer and it didn't take a warning on a cigarette pack to tell him what his eventuality would be.  BSA knew long before I became a scout that there was a distinct chance that I could be abused (they had records and files about abusers) yet I am sure that no one told my parents and definitely never told me "hey be careful we don't know a lot about those men that will be camping with you or your child".  Maybe if they had I would never been a scout and never been abused.  
    • This info came from ScoutingWire: June 4, 2021 Over the last year, we have seen the Scouting community come together, even while being physically apart, to bring solutions, relief and comfort to those in need. Scouting continues to be a vital partner for communities across the country. The value of Scouting is undeniable for those within the program and the greater public, and the Boy Scouts of America is committed to continuing to offer this unmatched opportunity to young people and families nationwide. It is important that we all reach out to Scouting families who might have left the program due to pandemic reasons and invite them back. We should also be thinking about how to invite new families to join. The Boy Scouts of America (BSA) has worked to keep the membership fee as low as possible. Unfortunately, operating costs have continued to rise, and COVID-19 has compounded the need to increase the fee to maintain the program. To ensure we have the resources to fulfill the promise of Scouting, the updated national membership fee is $72 for Cub Scouts, Scouts BSA, Venturing and Sea Scouts participants $45 for Exploring participants $30 for council-paid memberships $45 for all adult volunteers (includes cost of background check) $75 for a unit charter fee The membership fees will take effect August 1, 2021, for the 2021-2022 program year. The one-time $25 joining fee for new program participants in Cub Scouts, Scouts BSA, Venturing and Sea Scouts is still required; however, there is no joining fee for Exploring participants, participants previously registered in any BSA program, those transferring from one program to another, council-paid memberships, or adult volunteers. See an infographic explaining these updates.  The national membership fee helps pay for the cost of essential services, including program resources, liability insurance for those participating in approved Scouting activities, youth protection and other local council resources. National BSA will also continue to develop and improve resources that support our volunteers and youth members through online registration, Scoutbook, and national initiatives that bring us all together. Across the country and in each of our communities, we know that Scouting remains one of the most valuable investments we can make in young men and women today so they can become the leaders we will turn to tomorrow. Our dedicated volunteers, staff, and Scouting families make this possible. Thank you for continuing to support one of the most valuable opportunities available to young people today. FAQ Q:        Why are the fees increasing? A:         The national annual membership fee is increasing by $6, about 50 cents per month, because the costs associated with Scouting, including the cost of liability insurance, continue to increase and the organization is not able to subsidize the increased costs as it had in the past. Q:        When will this increase take effect? A:         The updated membership fees will take effect August 1, 2021, for new members in the 2021-2022 program year. Q:        Is Scouting still a good value? A:         Absolutely! While most extracurricular activities are seasonal, Scouting is a year-round program that remains one of the most valuable investments we can make to support young men and women today so they can become the leaders we will turn to tomorrow. For most of our participants, the new national membership fee amounts to $6.00 a month, which is an enormous value when you consider that many seasonal extracurricular activities often start at $100 for programs that last a few weeks. Q:        Does the fee increase apply to council-paid memberships? A:        Council-paid memberships will be $30 annually for youth members in fully funded council-paid units for low-income communities. Q:        What will the money be used for? A:         The annual national membership fee and new-member joining fee help pay for the cost of essential services, including program resources, liability insurance for those participating in approved Scouting activities, youth protection and other local council resources. Q:        Is this increase being implemented to cover the cost of the additional background checks? A:         While the cost of background checks is paid for by the national organization, that is not the driver of this increase. Q:        Will membership fees go toward funding a victims compensation trust? A:         No. The national annual membership fee and the new-member joining fee will help pay for the cost of essential services, including program resources, liability insurance for those participating in approved Scouting activities, youth protection and other local council resources. Q:        What measures has the national organization taken to offset its financial challenges? A:         In addition to ongoing efforts to streamline and simplify the organization, the national organization has taken a number of steps to address its financial challenges, which include multiple rounds of reductions over the past year. These were in addition to ongoing consolidation of departments and elimination of some significant vendors for the most effective utilization of resources in support of Scouting.  Q:        In addition to the national membership fee, my council is implementing a council fee. Is that allowed? A:         Starting August 1, 2021, councils can also choose to charge a fee up to, but no more than, the national membership fee – up to $72 for participants in Cub Scouts, Scouts BSA, Venturing and Sea Scouts; up to $45 for participants in Exploring and up to $45 for adult members. The council fee can include local insurance costs (i.e., accident, property, etc.), as well as the cost to administer unique local programming. Units can continue to assess activity fees. Q:        Will the national membership fee continue to increase? A:         Although no decision about future increases has been made, the cost of operating our organization and services increases every year. Should it be necessary to increase fees in the future, the National Executive Board of the Boy Scouts of America has agreed to evaluate the needs and make such decisions, whenever possible, at the National Annual Meeting so that decisions can be announced with as much lead time as possible to allow councils and units to plan accordingly.  .................................................... We thought that this statement was clear enough.  'Evaluate the needs' is a forthright statement.  Costs for many things have gone up...I think it is possible that they just do not know the full impact of the bankruptcy claims and effects and they are doing the best they can with limited facts. We are involved with two different Troops, both Lutheran sponsored...one of them recycles Christmas trees every January with the generous donation of the use of a 'chipper' from a neighbor.   The funds raised from this more than cover the financial needs of the Troop.  This now gives them the opportunity to cover some of the costs of the Scouts including a good many Summer Camp Scholarships.       I would highly recommend it.   ...
    • Can we take mugs and instant coffee for the out island adventure?    Mugs aren't on the packing list
    • Some version of the ineligible volunteers files have been in existence since 1919. They were referenced in the 1930s. BSA long knew it was a particular target for pedophiles.  4-H is also a 100 plus year old legacy youth organization and no such files exist there. 
    • To be precise, Big Tobacco knew the general use of their product would increase risk (as opposed to generally not using it). I attended Kessler's lecture on the subject while he headed the FDA . It wasn't merely that smokers got cancer (among other things). Lot's of people did. It was that, in company-funded studies, multiple times the percentage of smokers got sick than did non-smokers, tobacco -- especially concentrated nicotine was likely to be addictive, smokers who started as youth were less likely to quit, And the corporate response (documented by whistle-blowers) was to begin ad campaigns targeting youth. With regard to scouting and CSA, there are no such smoking guns. BSA had no evidence that CSA is more frequent as a result of the scouting program. That is why Kosnoff and others who've posted here hypothesize that BSA should have more victims. They are generalizing from what they know to be the background rate. Take 130 million, multiply by .07 (proportion of US males reporting that they experienced CSA), multiply by .1 (the proportion of time youth would be scouting as opposed to other activities like religion, school, sports) ... there should be 910,000 victims. (How we adjust other assumptions will make that number go up and down, but by rights there should be at least a quarter million still alive.) So either: The TCC is an abject failure at finding victims (Kosnoff's point), The majority of victims don't want any part of this action, or Hundreds of thousands of "other" victims don't exist. And, at the moment we only have each others' anecdotal experience (and all the personal biases therein) on which we can base how likely each is.
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