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    Well, sexual abuse and two-deep, digital etc are related; one is the problem and the others are ways to reduce the occurrence of the problem. But generally I agree with you. There is too much time spent telling us what the problems are and why they are a problem, and too little time discussing the "solutions," i.e. the barriers to abuse (2-deep, no 1-on-1 etc.) It may be that I am a little jaded about this, because I have either taken or "facilitated" (back when it was an in-person-only course) the various versions of YPT going back to 1999, probably 25 times or so. For awhile the district had me on their regular "teaching" rotation. So I kind of feel like I don't really need to sit through yet another recitation of how much child abuse there is and why it's bad. I know already.
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    Adult Supervision for Online Communications

    Yes, Captain Jack Sparrow, but what are the consequences of not following the "guideline"? (That is an actual question, I do not know the answer in this context.) If the consequences of not following a "guideline" are the same as the consequences of not following a "rule", then it really doesn't matter what they call it.
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    Adult Supervision for Online Communications

    If this is really the rule, then I think National has sailed right off the deep end. You know, @RichardB, adults can harass and verbally abuse other adults, and it unfortunately happens in workplaces all the time, and it can sometimes lead to liability for the employer. In BSA National Headquarters, and in councils, are employees allowed to email each other? (That's a rhetorical question, I'm sure they are.) If so, how do you know that some nefarious activity is not taking place by email. By the logic of not permitting troop communications by email, then people at BSA National should not be emailing each other. Ridiculous, you say? I agree! We all want the Scouts to be safe. But whether we want to admit it or not, we do not do "everything" we can do to keep the Scouts safe, because "everything" would mean there are no activities or communications at all, and therefore no program. There has to be a balance. Nobody would die in auto accidents if there were no cars and no driving, but yet we drive cars and try to make the drivers and the cars as safe as they can reasonably be.
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    Targeting Boy with False Allegations

    If you mean the news site that printed this article, it seems to me that they were very careful to keep quoting the lawsuit rather than making the statements "in their own voice." The lawsuit contends, the lawsuit alleges, according to the lawsuit, etc. etc. As long as the lawuit does say those things, the statements in the article are not false, regardless of whether the statements in the lawsuit itself are false.
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    Targeting Boy with False Allegations

    You could, and yes, it’s defamation. But NealOnWheels was not talking about the writer of a post.
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    Targeting Boy with False Allegations

    Would you care to explain that?
  7. But seriously folks, when Judge Roy Moore put up his (unconstitutional) public monument of the Ten Commandments, the monument had 11 commandments. See https://tinyurl.com/y9oakh38 It all depends on how you parse the first few. And if I have this correct, Orthodox Jews find 613 (I think) commandments in Exodus, Leviticus and Deuteronomy, not just 10 or 11. A couple hundred of them only apply when there is a main Temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, which there hasn't been for awhile, but there are people who do follow all ~ 400 that remain.
  8. Actually, my general view of morality is basically the same as the Reform Jewish movement (of which I am technically a part), Episcopalians, Unitarians and others.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    As far as I know, every lawsuit againt the BSA regarding membership policies has either been won by the BSA or settled in such a way that the membership policy was not changed until the BSA later decided to change - with one exception. That exception is the complaint brought in the New Jersey Division of Civil Right on behalf of the 8-year-old trans boy who was denied membership in the Cub Scouts because his birth certificate says he is a girl. The BSA basically caved... they changed the policy and I believe they even paid some money to the kid's family. The BSA did not have to cave, they could have taken it up through the NJ appellate courts and ultimately to the U.S. Supreme Court, where they would have had the Dale case on their side, and may have won. I think they changed the policy because they were tired of negative publicity and, in retrospect, they knew that Cub Scouts would soon be opened to girls anyway.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    Well, I think there is an "additional requirement" of sorts, in that the Scouts who do this will have 24 months (or less) to go from no-rank to Eagle, of which more than 16 months are time requirements, rather than having 7 years. There will be no time for pauses and probably very little or no time for sports, robotics, school plays or any other elective activity. These Scouts will basically be eating, sleeping, going to school (including college), doing homework (hopefully) and doing Scout advancement.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    Thanks for that. I think that’s a good thing.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    I was wondering about that too. Do we know that she will still be 17 as of Feb. 1?
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    You’re probably right. They would be treated like 18-20 year olds in Venturing are treated now: as youth for participation purposes but as adults for YP purposes.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    That would seem to be the perfect case for a full 2-year extension. As for your previous question about whether they stay in the troop while age 19 and 20, how is it handled NOW when a Scout is given an extension past his 18th birthday? I do not know the answer to that question. We had one Scout who was given until his 19th birthday to make Eagle due to severe physical disabilities. Until he made Eagle (which actually was 4 or 5 months before he turned 19) he was treated as a Scout for all purposes. Whether that was correct under National policy, I don’t know. And this was about 12 years ago, so the application of YP rules may be different today than it was then. i think these are things that can be worked out.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    I think what it actually seems to say is that every extension may be a different length. I think it probably suggests that someone who turns 16 on Jan. 31 will get significantly LESS than the full 2 year extension. But we’ll find out.