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  1. NJCubScouter

    History question

    Interesting article on the grappling-hooks. I doubt that an article today would deal with death quite so head-on like that.
  2. An indoor Wood Badge course is pretty bad. An indoor Wood Badge course AT A HIGH ADVENTURE BASE is just nuts. What's the adventure, trying to avoid getting a splinter from the seat?
  3. Sharing the wealth, apparently.
  4. Is that question in that article, I don't see it. If it is your question I would ask you, is that something the BSA is doing, or planning to do? It seems doubtful that they would do that. Based on what it says in that article, for the BSA to do that would undermine (and probably destroy) its legal argument in the pending case.
  5. NJCubScouter

    Guidance on Discipline

    I understand that. But on what is really a legal matter, and one that can implicate the council and/or BSA if not handled properly, I would have a tendency to go to the pros anyway. Not necessarily because a 22-year-old DE knows the answer, but because he can walk down the hall and talk with the person whose desk it is ultimately going to end up on.
  6. NJCubScouter

    Faith and Chaplaincy Issues

    Walk in the Woods, personally I believe that if you have an explicitly Christian organization and require adult leaders to be Christian (and not only Christian, but believers in the Trinity which excludes some people who call themselves Christian), the fact that the organization says it is open to youth of all faiths seems meaningless to me.
  7. NJCubScouter

    Faith and Chaplaincy Issues

    I don't think I had seen this thread before, or at least in my semi-active status here recently, I did not notice it enough to respond to it. Obviously if they give tours to, specifically, BSA units, they also must give tours to Trail Life units. Both organizations discriminate on the basis of religion: The BSA against non-believers, and Trail Life against all non-Christians. But it seems to me that the First Liberty Institute and Independence Law Center (neither of which I have ever heard of) are somewhat selective in their battle against discrimination on the basis of religion. For example, I don't see them fighting against the BSA's ban on non-believers. Of course they have the right to fight or not fight as they choose, but they should be seen for what they are.
  8. NJCubScouter

    Guidance on Discipline

    I agree with those who say the CR should be contacted, and the DE should certainly be told. I personally would skip the UC, first of all in my almost-20 years as an adult leader, as far as I know, no UC has ever been assigned to either of the units. Even if there is one, I would not feel confident enough that that any member of the commissioner's staff is going to know the right answer on something like this. They probably would refer you to the DE (or straight up to the SE) anyway when a violation of the law is involved.
  9. NJCubScouter

    Safety vs. Inclusion ??

    Well, the parents say the RSO did the wrong thing, and the camp director says the RSO did the wrong thing, so everybody seems to agree on that. Even the RSO may agree at this point. I am not sure what the parents are looking for at this point. It says they are looking for "policy changes and an an apology," but then it says "Upon learning of this incident, the camp directors took action to correct the staff member, had him apologize to the Scout and his father, and offered the Scout the full opportunity to participate in target shooting while still at camp." If that is true, the parents and the Scout already got their apology, and the Scout got a chance to participate. It doesn't appear that any policy change is required, because the RSO was not following the policy that already exists, which would allow the Scout to participate. Things like this are always going to happen, and the camp or employer or government or whoever can only apologize and make sure all employees understand the policy, and upon repeated violations, terminate the employee. But that is never going to completely stop all violations of a policy.
  10. NJCubScouter

    Interesting observation - rank advancement

    That is exactly what it says. The highest rank that a Scout can be awarded based on advancement work done is another country's Scouting program is Life, even if they have earned the other country's highest award. I imagine that someone at National has a chart indicating what rank from what country is equivalent to what rank here. I'm guessing that the highest award in Canada or the UK would get you Life. It is possible that there are some countries where the Scouting program is different enough from ours that a youth earning their highest award would get a BSA rank lower than Life.
  11. NJCubScouter

    BSA patrol method is lost in the fog

    There have always been contradictions among BSA publications. I remember one thread on here (more than 10 years ago probably) in which the issue was who appoints a JASM: The SM, or the SPL in consultation with the SM. The answer was, it depends (or depended) on which BSA publication you read. Someone pointed out that the two publications came from different departments within the BSA, and basically argued that it was unreasonable to expect consistency between different departments of the BSA. I thought that was ridiculous. You could probably fill up many pages with contradictions just between Scouting magazine and everything else, and yes, I think someone(s) should be checking everything to make sure they are consistent.
  12. Well, based on this language the policy certainly seems to be coming from GSUSA National:
  13. While I do understand why the GSUSA is upset with the BSA right now, this kind of thing only hurts their own members and, as others have said, could cause some girls to say, if I can't participate in these events as a Girl Scout, I'll do it as a member of Scouts BSA. Which presumably is not what GSUSA is aiming for.
  14. I think that gets a little tricky when you are talking about a not-for-profit corporation. There's no stock to transfer. There really aren't any "owners." And even if you could figure out a way to do that, the Congressional Charter probably complicates things. Transferring it would probably require passage of a bill by both Houses of Congress and signature by the president. If I were the BSA, I would want to stay as far away as possible from the federal legislative process right now.
  15. Welcome to the forum gpurlee!