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Everything posted by jcousino

  1. Try to get the professionals and the upper level volunteers to follow he BSA rules is hard enough. My most scary answer i am given often is is no one has been hurt. . My reply is YET.
  2. Bad choice as this makes the signers at risk for any claims (any cause). I would never ask any one to be willing to place their home at risk for scouting.
  3. i would be happy if all levels of BSA would follow their own rules. Tired of trying to tell professional and upper level volunteers what scouting rules and policies are. Was told told by a long term DE that they did not know all the rules covered in the guide to safe scouting. Not sure how they are to able to over see events . completed short term camp administrator program when it came out . It just made me very afraid of what had been going on in the past based on some of the rules.
  4. my question where was the camp ranger during this event ? He is high on the command change as to camp safety
  5. just some photo from a near strike at our outdoor skills shelter , no scouts there at the time .
  6. Eagle94 if your council has a policy of pulling scout in during storm which it does and they did not it ,It is child endangerment. Legal reporting is not an option its most likely the law . Check with child protective services not The SE will most likely will attempt to down play it.
  7. A near miss report that one that I have not hear of in scouting circles. (needs it badly)All other risk prone outdoor groups i work with at least require it. To be of value it needs to be open to the group to analyze and learn from and hopefully take preventive corrective actions. Not a likely event in scouting. I go agree that the dinner hall is normally one of the better places to go for lighting. But if your dinner hall is like the ones i have seen it all glass so any wind born debris would make it a killing zone. Be careful with the feedback been told that i am taking up to much of
  8. Let me look at this a little differently. Yes, you are right at any level above the unit level. Scouting cannot favor one faith over another. But the unit is wholly owned by the chartering organization and can set whatever faith rules they want as no one is required to join that troop. I have seen CO require that the scout leadership either be members of that church or sign that they agree with the teaching of that church. I have seen groups require some level of a statement of faith. The LDS church was the best example of that. The church picked the leadership and made all the rules of m
  9. Not sure why any Christian church would sponsor any scout troop that was not a direct extension of its youth Christian ministry of that church. If the church does not involve the troop in its ministry efforts then please not call it a ministry of the church. My view is that all are welcome no matter your faith background but understand we are a Christian church that believes in Christ preached. (hope this is the view of all Christian sponsors of scouting) This should be made known upfront. There are other fine secular scout-sponsored groups if this a problem
  10. How can a troop buy anything as they are a subpart of the church or sponsoring group?
  11. thanks that fast so no internal merit badge councilors
  12. Needs some outside answers (do not trust my councils one's) 1. is MDC a district only position 2 is a merit badge councilor required to be on the district committee even if the have a troop spot 3. are then required to work with all scouts or can they limit as what units they will work with. thanks john
  13. Need help on this for the group After looking over the current A_B medicine form on the first part their is a paragraph that requires that parents release any and all photos ,images ,ect even rights to their Childs voice while under going scout functioning with in the BSA umbrellas with out an option to retain there right. If they do not sign the general release and wavier they can not take part in scouting events. Not sure how many read what they sign FR. John PS in my state you are not allowed to photographing children in DCS care so how is that handled
  14. Not sure i can call most church troops a a youth ministry under the current plan (RC and Methodist) (The one thing that Trail life does well) no direct involvement by the youth ministers, no invitations to services or letter of welcome. no Christian teaching or prayer, no talk of any God and country awards. In some settings the leadership not even of that church's faith They only provided was a meeting place (new plan) and a mostly unknown level of risk for the troop. (reason why some are not rechartering)
  15. Your last part of your question will cause the most problems as to understanding the relationship and ownership changes The council and the church will now have to agree to what happens to the equipment . The council view is that it was given in name of scout not the churches. Change from a few year back when it was fully the churches. The answer to first part will the question of the year . My understanding is the the council may become to chartering organization. To my above , why would any other group want to take on the risk? john
  16. I would think twice and after a lot of legal consultation before i would ever think of starting a " friend of group" as as chartering partner. The friends of group could now be the finically responsible parties if an event where to occur. Not sure i want to loss my house and saving because a child is hurt or injurie not alone being a victim of an other. If the Big Dogs (CO) are running scared I am personal not willing to pay the cost the cost or take the risk Just the cost of defending yourself as the chartering body could be in ten of thousands of dollars. John
  17. Ok while i like my version better after rereading my quote it looks like it only applies to summer camp . i was wrong sorry . I would begin to question any adult that would not do a background check or complete youth protection after any form of 72 hours of contact I personaly like the idea that it should be cumulative if an adult is attending scouting events in an active role with youth content for that long they have had enough time to decide that they want to be a some type of leader or not. If after that period they say then still say no then they stay home if the adu
  18. i hope we are all clear here the 72 hour rule is in total contract time an adult going on his second weekend camp with the troop is very likely to have used up that 72 hour window (2 x 36 hours) + any troop meeting time . It does not reset or only apply to long term camp summer camp. So there should be really little time or reason that all adults on a trip should not be a registered leader of some type All adults accompanying a Scouting unit who are present at the activity for 72 total hours or more must be registered as leaders. The 72 hours need not be consecutive. One-on-o
  19. My first try after rereading it was not as clear as i wanted Deer Camp that's was in terms many of scouter have outdoors skills that work in a deer camp. hygiene's practices fire starting, tool use language that would not be proper in a scout environment. Many skills that were once acceptable are no longer, A lot of people have not keep up Again, I don’t need most scouters to read the book How to you know what scouting is today with reading the Book or do you just teach and do what you think scouting should be. An area that i do did agree with s
  20. i will disagree with you if any of the talk was beyond that a normal 10 year old should know. If they are describing any sex acts that they have seen ,been part of or have knowledge that yes it needs to be reported A 10 year old watching mon and boyfriend make out is child sexual abuse. Fr. John
  21. The above ideas are good. But the problems with scout skills is that 1. A large amount of scouter themselves never have done the skill 2. of those of you have done the skill it may be ok in the deer camp but not at a scout camp. 3.Large amounts of both groups never have read the scout book to see what the currently really is skill is 4. the youth are not encouraged to expand their skills. Could go on John
  22. I do not see any other choice other than the unit being council sponsored. Why would my organization want to CO to a unit (take on all the leadership risks) meeting some where else because the first group has concerns about BSA and liability.
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