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Help me understand things under the this new arrangement (council is now the CO) 1. Council now can select or reject a troop leader based on their personal relationship with council, so council can cherry pick people and those that question council activity can just not be accepted. 2. Can council merge units based on what ever three small troops may become one. 3. Do we know the fee that will be charged to manage troop account's? 4. Can council now require unit to attend activities or face changes in leadership? 5. Will council now be able to say no to troop trips (to nonscout bases ). 6. At what level will council require troops to get approval to spend money 7. Will donations to FOS be made automatically Just a few of my wild thoughts Fr. John

Glad to see some one else stepped up. I would question for how long? If the biggest player on the Block UMC see's the writing on the wall as to risk verse cost many other smaller church and private groups will be following inline. My personal belief is that many of the smaller groups have been waiting to see what the UMC would do ,now that it's out they will be following the UMC lead.

I agree gave over $5000 dollars in in kind gift to my camp over the last year or so i will never give cash to the council no control on how it is spend?

I can see how they had a major cow over that , they feel any thing done in the name of scouting belongs to them. I have seen this before when troops would get donations form bigger chains then the chains would tells friend of scouting campaigns that they have already given there allotment to scouts (troops). I would be interested to see how this plays off next year.as the Troop did not solicit solute the company ,but only benefited from a company worker policy. PS about how much are we talking here? john

Some how maybe i am missing something here . its not whether scouting is better or worse than other groups. It comes down because of the actions or inaction or a mixture of the two , people where hurt some totally destroyed. Not even to add in the lives around them that were changed for ever. I wish we had a better system to right wrongs but this is the best we have. I hope and pray that out of this scouting is better and all youth programs are better at protecting the youth under there charge.

My view is that I am greatly sadden by the events and actions of the past, I have no idea where scouting will be in the next five years . My greatest and only concerns is is for the youth here today. Ps looks like i am in good company, Its nice to hear

Got to be careful I got told that i use to much of the councils time having to deals with my safety concerns and youth management issues and i have been banded from any activities outside of my unit. john

WOW, that a powerful video. If it gets picked nationally scouting recovery may be in question. Surely do not want any of my kids or anyone elses at risk. John

Try to get the professionals and the upper level volunteers to follow he BSA rules is hard enough. My most scary answer i am given often is is no one has been hurt. . My reply is YET.

Bad choice as this makes the signers at risk for any claims (any cause). I would never ask any one to be willing to place their home at risk for scouting.

i would be happy if all levels of BSA would follow their own rules. Tired of trying to tell professional and upper level volunteers what scouting rules and policies are. Was told told by a long term DE that they did not know all the rules covered in the guide to safe scouting. Not sure how they are to able to over see events . completed short term camp administrator program when it came out . It just made me very afraid of what had been going on in the past based on some of the rules.

my question where was the camp ranger during this event ? He is high on the command change as to camp safety

just some photo from a near strike at our outdoor skills shelter , no scouts there at the time .

Eagle94 if your council has a policy of pulling scout in during storm which it does and they did not it ,It is child endangerment. Legal reporting is not an option its most likely the law . Check with child protective services not The SE will most likely will attempt to down play it.

A near miss report that one that I have not hear of in scouting circles. (needs it badly)All other risk prone outdoor groups i work with at least require it. To be of value it needs to be open to the group to analyze and learn from and hopefully take preventive corrective actions. Not a likely event in scouting. I go agree that the dinner hall is normally one of the better places to go for lighting. But if your dinner hall is like the ones i have seen it all glass so any wind born debris would make it a killing zone. Be careful with the feedback been told that i am taking up to much of the councils time with safety issues and suggestions

Let me look at this a little differently. Yes, you are right at any level above the unit level. Scouting cannot favor one faith over another. But the unit is wholly owned by the chartering organization and can set whatever faith rules they want as no one is required to join that troop. I have seen CO require that the scout leadership either be members of that church or sign that they agree with the teaching of that church. I have seen groups require some level of a statement of faith. The LDS church was the best example of that. The church picked the leadership and made all the rules of membership. Not sure why her being female is a problem introduce her to the scouting process. To me, she should be the Charter organization rep. or at least on the committee As youth development is under her office. It’s not your troop really. It’s the churches troop as you are a part of the CO troop. Your troop is not an independent group. So basically you want the church membership to pay to provide you with a building and cover your insurance needs, sign a few forms, and leave you alone. So what do they get for their investment? What you are describing to me is your church is more like if an American Legion post sponsored your troop. They would have no reason to inject Christian values into the unit. I believe what you say is 100% accurate, seeing many churches run that way. My complaint is that if the church does not interject some teaching Christ and Christian principles ( You cannot claim Christian principles without Christ), then they should not call it a ministry of the church as they are acting more like an American Legion post ( God bless the good men and women of the posts) When one joins the church troop it should be made plain if they are uncomfortable there are other troops sponsored by other good groups that are not sponsored by a Christian church. If the troop was sponsored by a Hindu temple then I would expect the Hindu faith to be taught. The CO agrees to run the scouting program so I would expect the troop to run like a scout troop. Sorry it sounds like you have had personalty problems in the past.

sorry did not read all the posts

Not sure why any Christian church would sponsor any scout troop that was not a direct extension of its youth Christian ministry of that church. If the church does not involve the troop in its ministry efforts then please not call it a ministry of the church. My view is that all are welcome no matter your faith background but understand we are a Christian church that believes in Christ preached. (hope this is the view of all Christian sponsors of scouting) This should be made known upfront. There are other fine secular scout-sponsored groups if this a problem

How can a troop buy anything as they are a subpart of the church or sponsoring group?

thanks that fast so no internal merit badge councilors

Needs some outside answers (do not trust my councils one's) 1. is MDC a district only position 2 is a merit badge councilor required to be on the district committee even if the have a troop spot 3. are then required to work with all scouts or can they limit as what units they will work with. thanks john

Need help on this for the group After looking over the current A_B medicine form on the first part their is a paragraph that requires that parents release any and all photos ,images ,ect even rights to their Childs voice while under going scout functioning with in the BSA umbrellas with out an option to retain there right. If they do not sign the general release and wavier they can not take part in scouting events. Not sure how many read what they sign FR. John PS in my state you are not allowed to photographing children in DCS care so how is that handled I also hereby assign and grant to the local council and the Boy Scouts of America, as well as their authorized representatives, the right and permission to use and publish the photographs/film/ videotapes/electronic representations and/or sound recordings made of me or my child at all Scouting activities, and I hereby release the Boy Scouts of America, the local council, the activity coordinators, and all employees, volunteers, related parties, or other organizations associated with the activity from any and all liability from such use and publication. I further authorize the reproduction, sale, copyright, exhibit, broadcast, electronic storage, and/or distribution of said photographs/film/videotapes/electronic representations and/or sound recordings without limitation at the discretion of the BSA, and I specifically waive any right to any compensation I may have for any of the foregoing.

Not sure i can call most church troops a a youth ministry under the current plan (RC and Methodist) (The one thing that Trail life does well) no direct involvement by the youth ministers, no invitations to services or letter of welcome. no Christian teaching or prayer, no talk of any God and country awards. In some settings the leadership not even of that church's faith They only provided was a meeting place (new plan) and a mostly unknown level of risk for the troop. (reason why some are not rechartering)

Your last part of your question will cause the most problems as to understanding the relationship and ownership changes The council and the church will now have to agree to what happens to the equipment . The council view is that it was given in name of scout not the churches. Change from a few year back when it was fully the churches. The answer to first part will the question of the year . My understanding is the the council may become to chartering organization. To my above , why would any other group want to take on the risk? john