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  1. Not sure why any Christian church would sponsor any scout troop that was not a direct extension of its youth Christian ministry of that church. If the church does not involve the troop in its ministry efforts then please not call it a ministry of the church. My view is that all are welcome no matter your faith background but understand we are a Christian church that believes in Christ preached. (hope this is the view of all Christian sponsors of scouting) This should be made known upfront. There are other fine secular scout-sponsored groups if this a problem
  2. How can a troop buy anything as they are a subpart of the church or sponsoring group?
  3. thanks that fast so no internal merit badge councilors
  4. Needs some outside answers (do not trust my councils one's) 1. is MDC a district only position 2 is a merit badge councilor required to be on the district committee even if the have a troop spot 3. are then required to work with all scouts or can they limit as what units they will work with. thanks john
  5. Need help on this for the group After looking over the current A_B medicine form on the first part their is a paragraph that requires that parents release any and all photos ,images ,ect even rights to their Childs voice while under going scout functioning with in the BSA umbrellas with out an option to retain there right. If they do not sign the general release and wavier they can not take part in scouting events. Not sure how many read what they sign FR. John PS in my state you are not allowed to photographing children in DCS care so how is that handled
  6. Not sure i can call most church troops a a youth ministry under the current plan (RC and Methodist) (The one thing that Trail life does well) no direct involvement by the youth ministers, no invitations to services or letter of welcome. no Christian teaching or prayer, no talk of any God and country awards. In some settings the leadership not even of that church's faith They only provided was a meeting place (new plan) and a mostly unknown level of risk for the troop. (reason why some are not rechartering)
  7. Your last part of your question will cause the most problems as to understanding the relationship and ownership changes The council and the church will now have to agree to what happens to the equipment . The council view is that it was given in name of scout not the churches. Change from a few year back when it was fully the churches. The answer to first part will the question of the year . My understanding is the the council may become to chartering organization. To my above , why would any other group want to take on the risk? john
  8. I would think twice and after a lot of legal consultation before i would ever think of starting a " friend of group" as as chartering partner. The friends of group could now be the finically responsible parties if an event where to occur. Not sure i want to loss my house and saving because a child is hurt or injurie not alone being a victim of an other. If the Big Dogs (CO) are running scared I am personal not willing to pay the cost the cost or take the risk Just the cost of defending yourself as the chartering body could be in ten of thousands of dollars. John
  9. Ok while i like my version better after rereading my quote it looks like it only applies to summer camp . i was wrong sorry . I would begin to question any adult that would not do a background check or complete youth protection after any form of 72 hours of contact I personaly like the idea that it should be cumulative if an adult is attending scouting events in an active role with youth content for that long they have had enough time to decide that they want to be a some type of leader or not. If after that period they say then still say no then they stay home if the adu
  10. i hope we are all clear here the 72 hour rule is in total contract time an adult going on his second weekend camp with the troop is very likely to have used up that 72 hour window (2 x 36 hours) + any troop meeting time . It does not reset or only apply to long term camp summer camp. So there should be really little time or reason that all adults on a trip should not be a registered leader of some type All adults accompanying a Scouting unit who are present at the activity for 72 total hours or more must be registered as leaders. The 72 hours need not be consecutive. One-on-o
  11. My first try after rereading it was not as clear as i wanted Deer Camp that's was in terms many of scouter have outdoors skills that work in a deer camp. hygiene's practices fire starting, tool use language that would not be proper in a scout environment. Many skills that were once acceptable are no longer, A lot of people have not keep up Again, I don’t need most scouters to read the book How to you know what scouting is today with reading the Book or do you just teach and do what you think scouting should be. An area that i do did agree with s
  12. i will disagree with you if any of the talk was beyond that a normal 10 year old should know. If they are describing any sex acts that they have seen ,been part of or have knowledge that yes it needs to be reported A 10 year old watching mon and boyfriend make out is child sexual abuse. Fr. John
  13. The above ideas are good. But the problems with scout skills is that 1. A large amount of scouter themselves never have done the skill 2. of those of you have done the skill it may be ok in the deer camp but not at a scout camp. 3.Large amounts of both groups never have read the scout book to see what the currently really is skill is 4. the youth are not encouraged to expand their skills. Could go on John
  14. I do not see any other choice other than the unit being council sponsored. Why would my organization want to CO to a unit (take on all the leadership risks) meeting some where else because the first group has concerns about BSA and liability.
  15. A problem that has not been brought up, or I may have missed it. Many current church sponsors required that the scout leadership state that they agreed with the teachings of that church. A CO pastor could require membership to be from his church only. Under the facilities use only, they lose that control, so a traditional church that does not support homosexuality could have the council appoint a gay or lesbian scouter or other leadership—leaving them few choices.
  16. Glad my council got out of the popcorn business , costly bad product with poor quality control We now sell Moon pies for us a local American made product.
  17. That makes the reply more offensive. I do not think we as adults have much right to say anything about what a youth wears unless it is genuinely offensive. I see scouter wearing nonwood badge beads, weavings, old goat patrols labels, multitudes of pins, ribbons, all nonuniform approved.
  18. If the girls are not registered as members of a charter troop/crew or lone scouts, they would I believe they would be unable to process any awards. If the boy troop is processing their awards for them, then it is committing fraud. Yes, coed troops are the future, but not now. Somewhere in the scout and law, obeying the rules is part of the system. Work to change the rules if you feel improper, but you do not have the right to change things to fit what you want.
  19. Not the best of possible question as a response. This item may have meaning to this person.
  20. They can not be a patrol of a boys troop, they must be their own troop
  21. Camp will never to able to compete pay rates with private camps or even public systems. $200 per camper verse $600 plus This should not have come as any surprise. This was a topic on one of the nation round tables. Finding any camp staff that requires a certifation is going to be more costly. The local camp will need to compete with a n increasing private sector demand and even against other councils camps and nation or regional scout camps. If the camp wants the programs offer more training offer better pay offer better working conditions
  22. yes , the world can get crazy for no cause. and sadly you have little recourse.
  23. The comments were not meant to go anywhere but to point out the that if this person is so focused being badge legal (wearing of toton chip flap ) Poking a child could also taken way out out of this meaning. If you one want to push the idea of battery.( unwanted touching of one person by an other) john
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