RichardB

I'd also add in here is the instructor syllabus for BALOO: https://i9peu1ikn3a16vg4e45rqi17-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/510-03318-BALOO_web.pdf While there are several uses of the term overnight in the document I'd point to Appendix MM. The Sample Pack Camping Agenda modeling the program.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/overnighter an overnight trip It does have as the root word https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/overnight overnight adjective Definition of overnight (Entry 2 of 4) 1: of, lasting, or staying the night Examples of overnight in a Sentence Adverb He stayed overnight and went home the next day.

To the OP: https://www.scouting.org/resources/insignia-guide/ Use of Uniform The official uniforms are intended primarily for use in connection with official Scouting activities, and their use may be approved by the local council executive board for council events or activities under conditions consistent with the Rules and Regulations of the Boy Scouts of America. No alteration of, or additions to, the official uniforms, as described in the official guidelines or the Rules and Regulations covering the wearing of the uniform and the proper combinations thereof on official occasions, may be authorized by any Scouting official or local council.

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@Eagle94-A1 was no change in policy. More effective communication would be my analysis. Et al, do you really want to have a definition of overnight in Pack Overnighters? Asking for a friend. Just saying, on one hand, this thread says national changes the rules, on the other a call for more definition. Which is it? RichardB

To the best of my knowledge there has been no policy change related to Cub camping. Cub "overnight" camping by program design is limited to Council Organized Family Camps OR Pack Overnighters (At Council appraised and designated locations). BALOO training covers this. There is a requirement for BALOO trained leaders on Cub campouts. Have you been to BALOO? Did the course follow the syllabus? Webelos may camp as a den outside the Pack structure. If the Scouts BSA Camporee is being run / conducted as designed, it would not be age appropriate for Cubs to do anything but observe. Again, this is not a change. Source: https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/gss/gss03/ - which has been previously linked but you all might wish to review again. Please do not put yourself or youth at risk. RichardB

Some recently launched Cub Scout resources: https://www.scouting.org/programs/cub-scouts/preview-adventures/ https://www.scouting.org/programs/cub-scouts/preview-adventures/protect-yourself-rules/

@PACAN I'd call your attention to the actual document you quoted as an incident review it's not a compliance document, just pointing out what a safe surface consists of. Since this obviously has moved you to action, we encourage you to share these lessons within your area of influence. They are just one of the many tools offered to get the word out about safety of participants in the Scouting program.

@Eagle94-A1 nice catch on the publications. The offending file you identified has been terminated. Thanks.

Just because you saw it on FB (most likely Talk about Scouting) doesn't mean it makes sense. The pit sits on top of the mulch or sand right base. Good to know we have folks quoting 1920's literature. Back in those days Scoutmasters were licensed to teach what was in the handbook. No more, no less. Times were simple back then. Was also about the time camp standards came into play.

And the FAQ's that go with the above - suggest you review as well. https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/prohibited-activities-faqs/

https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/gss/toc/ has been updated. August Activity Planning and Risk Assessment Added Prohibited Activities section to replace Unauthorized and Restricted Activities section. https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/gss/gss07/#b is the direct link to the revised section. Please note the hosted pdf will be updated on or about 10/1. RichardB

You all might want to read up to give you a little more background on PTC history and impact. https://www.amazon.com/Other-Side-Road-Philmont-Training/dp/1427643792

@John-in-KC should probably worry, because I'm totally aligned with him on his last comment. It really would be good to understand what is being offered before you comment. My kiddos really enjoyed the training center family program, including the excursions into the backcountry and the living history of the area. I would certainly recommend taking advantage of the Family Adventure Camp next summer if you and your family need to get away. You don't have to take a class, you can just enjoy the programs offered.