Jameson76

Many of us who have worked with BSA for now these many years have the same feelings. If BSA had said..hey we want to form an outdoor focused program that services girls, built on the framework of the current BSA program with the same requirements...I would have been more supportive What we get is "Scout Me In"...Linked troops, single gender dens, and the fervent hope that these unnamed and unidentified district and council resources will somehow be able to form all these new units and implement this new dynamic change Oh... and pay for the sins of the past with increased membership

Ahh - Open Hearts Open Minds Open Doors...lifelong member of the same group (I think). Not to be to far off topic but I read the recent Bishops decision for annual conference and am really not sure what the plan forward is

To be fair, there is a difference with girls being instructors (staff) at camp as opposed to being campers. They are in fact council employees. As such they are likely trained on YPT and also other workplace harassment classes. For most camps these are older high school or college age girls. Additionally at camps with females staffers they are typically provided housing separate from male staff (sleeping and shower arrangements). Some camps have coed Venture groups come but that is more commonly a minimal percentage of the camp, and they are doing a high adventure path (maybe off

As information - Eagle Scouts are getting older In 1949, the average age of Eagle Scouts was 14.6 years. In 2016, that number was 17.35 years old. (That’s 17 years, 127.75 days.) That average Eagle Scout age has been pretty consistent in recent years. Indeed, the change from 2015 to 2016 was just 0.01 years — or 3.65 days. 2009 17 years, 116.8 days 2010 17 years, 87.6 days 2011 17 years, 116.8 days 2012 17 years, 84.0 days 2013 17 years, 87.6 days 2014

That will be the cue for the gnashing of teeth and cry for exceptions to the 18 year barrier as it is patriarchal and speaks of a male imposed barrier (I kid). There will be concerns when the older girls want to join and there are no troops OR the troops are new and no resources / institutional knowledge to speed them along. Then we will have discussions and surveys about a coed option

$55 breakfast? Assuming not the same bill of fare I had on my outing last week, by the way, it was fast, easy to prepare, and tasty

You have got to read the notes to really understand this one. Questions and things to look out for: How will they continue to spin the Summit expenses and bond debt as a great thing? How will they notate the issue with unfunded pension liabilities? Will there be forward looking statements on all the expected new revenue from Family Scouting?

It is possible - The timeline (from attaining First Class) is 16 months. That being said to get to First Class requires: Since joining Boy Scouts, participate in 10 separate troop/patrol activities, at least six of which must be held outdoors. Of the outdoor activities, at least three must include overnight camping. These activities do not include troop or patrol meetings. On campouts, spend the night in a tent that you pitch or other structure that you help erect, such as a lean-to, snow cave, or tepee. If the troop is active, a scout should be able to get the outdoor requirements

Correct we are the Boy Scouts of America, but as a point of historical fact the BSA grew out of association with the English Scouts. If you are not cognizant and aware of the basic roots of the organization, then the shift of emphasis can be missed. The point is that BSA and earlier the English scouts were founded and fostered to meet a need to work with and help develop boys into men who can be a positive asset to their community. The leaders, movers and shakers, and people of influence saw that need. They also saw a need for a similar organization for girls. Now, yes society has

Presuming you have reviewed this document https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/outdoor program/aquatics/pdf/430-501.pdf Admittedly does not help on the where to find the training. If you are inexperienced you may want to look for a commercial river outfit, do a 3 - 4 hour float / paddle. See how that works, then expand

Funny because it has a ring of truth....

Pretty sure poorly rolled out is an understatement With each "Big Announcement" (no doubt prepared by the the well paid PR team) there come out multiple clarifying statements.

Not disputing that the activities can be done by anyone of any gender. That being said, the first sections of the older SM guides are clearly about boys, male youths. The intent is to focus on the boys, and the program is interpreted and (at the time) designed for boys. The discussion is about boys. From the British - About the Boy Scouts Association - Royal Charter 1912 The aim of the Association is to develop good citizenship among boys by forming their character -- -training them in habits of observation, obedience, and self-reliance --- inculcating loyalty and thoughtfulne

That is correct, but to be clear the mission statement has not always been part of scouting canon, it is a product of the 60's or likely 70's. There has not always been the feel good mission statement Looking at the old school Scoutmaster Handbook (mine is 1938 printing) the emphasis is clearly on Boys. What do Boys need. How can the Scoutmaster make an impact in a Boys life. What do Boys do and how do they interact and function in their gangs No youth, only boys

That is accurate, but there are many CO's that likely have little of no involvement with the Scouts. They may provide a space (as does ours) but beyond that no real material support. If anything we try to keep reminding the church what we do. Eagle projects, include them in our Social Media, name on T-shirts, etc. If the coed issue driven by the media gets legs, some will say "What...we have Boy Scout troop??"

And therein lies the problem. Few volunteers really have a depth of experience actually starting new units. I have done it and it is a long play. In a district of maybe 30 Cub packs and 30 Boy Scout troops you may actually start from scratch maybe 1 or 2 units per year. There will be rebuilding and reforming some existing units, but few from scratch. Now the onus will be to possibly startup 6 - 8 new units. Some districts will have resources and gumption to do that, most probably will not. Then there will be the hue can cry from girls wanting to join, but the troops will not allow a

A Boy Scout of America sheath knife?

We work with the GS Troop(s) at our church on Scout Sunday. For next year I guess we can all be there, it seems we will not be able to talk to each other.....

I guess we are on the other end of the desire for coed spectrum. No plans for anyone currently in our unit to start a linked troop. If persons (we have to designated them as an Unsubs (unknown subjects)) want to start a Girl Troop, we wish them well. Family camping would be a no go for me personally.

History often (somewhat) repeats itself https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scouting/USA Scouting/USA was a "communicative name" chosen by the Boy Scouts of America in 1971 in an effort to rebrand itself. The Scouting/USA symbol was unveiled at its biennial National Council meeting. The organization retained the name Boy Scouts of America as its legal name, but planned to use the new name on literature, billboards, insignia, business cards and stationery and for most other promotional material. They abandoned this effort by 1980.

Just as you have stated and advised to let's see and hope for the best, many of us are troubled about what may come. Most of us (right or wrong) are concerned about the unforeseen consequences of the Girls into Cub Scout and Boy Scouts decision. Over time I suspect there will be more impacting than many hope. Many may find this shocking, but boys are not girls. The unknown is that the program will change in some undetermined manner. BSA National has clearly demonstrated a propensity to move with the social winds. BSA National and the Exec Board have not been good stewards

Actually got some feedback from some of our Boy Scouts yesterday. They were not enthusiastic about the name change. They also felt the "new motto" (their words not mine) was meh, very cubby oriented What I found interesting is that 1) they were aware of it 2) they took the time to give some feedback This is from the core group of actual participants

My wife just wonders how long I will continue with the troop......