Jameson76

No hitting the Boy... specifically verboten in YPT 2.0

It's Tuesday and apparently there was a survey and the survey was of people (families) that are not involved in the Boy Scouts of America at this time (in fact some do not even live on this planet much less this particular dimensional plane) but they were overwhelming supportive of and interested in possibly becoming involved with an organization that perhaps was not named Boy Scouts of America and then there was a vote of the National Board of the currently named Boy Scouts of America and the vote was 123.2% in favor of possibly changing the name to something else (sadly Dallas Cowboys, Manchester United, and New York Yankees were already taken) and the hope is that the new name will generate a tremendous amount of revenue what with merchandising and knick knack sales that will help support the underfunded pension liabilities and balloon payments for the currently named Summit Bechtel Reserve and drive hundreds of thousands more youth and adults to join the newly renamed and rebranded organization

Good news on the exemption pushback. The timing unfortunately may not work for everyone, which sort of is what it is. If BSA was to try some sort of convoluted exemption matrix it would be a Highway to Hell paved with good intentions. Good they are holding firm on that front (at this time) Good news on the number of youth to start a unit. Actually 5 is thin, as part of BSA program is working in groups and interaction. Good they are holding firm on that front (at this time)

No Lion book? Assume they are all gender neutral with an equal number of girl and boy pics?

Does the 1911 version come in 45 ACP?

You have obviously not drunk of the "all are equal" kool aid.

Back when dinosaurs ruled the earth and you had to have Tour Permits, our go to was that the invited Webelos were in fact guests there of their own volition and we did not include them on our tour permit. Also as it was voluntary and not a planned den (Web patrol) and they were family camping so from the pack side, no tour permit As for the YPT and girls on a troop visitation, not 100% sure. Can Dad bring them without Mom? Can a Dad bring his son and girl from the Webelos Den without a Mom? Does it have to be a mom? It is a good point and as the apparent new rules dictate that the female YPT trained over 21 leader must also be CM / ACM or (in addition??) DL / ADL not sure if that particular person would need to be there also? I will break out my YPT playbook ready wrist reference so as to be vigilant and compliant

Not disagreeing, but as they are not registered with the troop and are there as guests??? It is not a Pack outing. Lord who knows.....

Short answer to your question, if you want to start a Girl Troop (Girl Boy Scout Troop??) ((Actual name to be determined)) My understanding is if you get the CO approval, 5 committee leaders, and 5 participants you can do that. Basically starting a new troop, it does not have to be Linked. A CO can have multiple units and they do not have to share committees. Our troop is not planning on changing our current objective, which is to work with young men and help them become better prepared for life as leaders, by using character development, citizenship training, and personal fitness to achieve those goals. Our adult leader group and committee is not exploring nor entertaining expanding that objective to a linked troop. At the CO we have 2 Cub packs, one is potentially expanding to add girls to the pack, one is not sure For the troop while we are not looking at the linked troop option, we are also not working against anyone (though to our knowledge there is not anyone) starting a girls only troop. If they want to start a troop for girls at our CO, we wish them success and if they need input or advice, we can be a resource on best practices. Our program plate is pretty full at this time We have had the discussion on the packs and possibly girls visiting as part of WEB II and AOL requirements. That would not be an issue as for camping they would be with parents and meeting are just meetings. Our discussion would be with those families is that our troop is just boys and no specific linked troop. If the CO has a girls troop, then they could of course visit there.

Over under is much sooner. I would say that as the first girls could go into Scouts late summer and/or fall of 2019, then the current Webelos Den 2 girls (and as "thousands are flocking" there are likely some) will want to visit troops in about 6 months. That is when the initial uproar will happen. "What do you mean this really active troop that my daughter want to join is boy only??" and "we had separate dens in the pack, why not separate patrols??" Likely not everywhere or in every council but I bet enough to be a trend BSA National will roll over like a mobile home in a tornado...a survey will be done...boom COED

Concern is that the "Linked Troops" is (was) a new term maybe 60 days ago. It speaks to the evolving and somewhat confusing rollout for the Girls into Scouts. National and professionals are digging their own holes on this. At an annual program rollout for local council the presenting teams discussed name change (yes / no / maybe / not sure); how will summer camps handle girls (Oh we've had Co-Ed Venture groups at camp so we have great experience) which is not really true and over the last 5 years maybe 2% of the total campers and only in later less filled weeks; and that adding girls in general will have no impact and everyone (I mean everyone) is supportive of this. When the first announcement was made it was to be a parallel program (not a great term - separate but equal) then that has morphed to Linked troops. Which are NOT (hear me) CoEd even though they meet at the same CO, share a committee, meet at the same time, go on the same outing, have the same unit number, but they are separate...right??? As a unit our goal (hope) is to stay as we are and provide the program and outdoor experience to the young men in our community. The concern is whether we will be allowed to maintain that course. Current input is yes we will, but the track record from National speaks differently as what is good today, may not be tomorrow. While within uncertainty there is always opportunity, there is also unease.

Not to diminish all the other items going on with the pack. I thought that the rule was clear. "A Scout may not multiple register in two troops." Registration Procedures Manual.

There appears to be a lot going on with that pack.... Seems to be a good bit of blending with the Pack / Troop / Committee (s??) / etc as the terms seem to be used interchangebly

What if someone read it in a funny accent? Maybe used puppets to act out what they read? Maybe a culture night with Kabuki and stylized dance.

On the flip side the returning of the Totin' Chit by the SPL in the Honors of War ceremony is very moving That ceremony always brings a tear to my eye, especially when the Queen stops by...she is a stickler for Totin' Chip regulations. She has not commented as much on the Firem'n Chit, but rumour has it she may address that in her next missive

Especially effective if you snap their knives in half and sing Branded! Marked with a coward's shame. What do you do when you're branded, Will you fight for your name?

I believe there is also waterboarding involved to fully drive home the error of their ways, though I may have misread that part

There was a short lived Playboy Patrol in Atlanta in the 70's, they had even scheduled bunnies to come present the patrol patches. Then the angry fist of BSA sensibilities came down on the young scouts

Sort of could go either way

Wow - and they said it would not happen, they literally assured us it would not happen with letters form the key 3 and everything... Oh...

Would agree. But as BSA National really did not engage and do anything, were they not implicitly allowing it? Not taking proactive actions in and of itself is in fact an action.

" NUTS! " US General Anthony McAuliffe- acting division commander of the 101st Airborne Division, Bastogne, Belgium 12/22/1944

Agree - we have Life / Eagle youth scouts sign off on advancement. Gets the younger scouts to have conversations with the older scouts.