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  1. Hawkwin

    use of the word "Lord" in scouting?

    Ha! My daughter said to me last night, "Yalla yalla!" for the first time. I can't get her to do much of anything I ask her to do but my little bit of slang Arabic apparently sticks with little effort. I guess it worked on my too as the only Arabic words I remember from my military days are Imshi, Yalla, Ma salama, and of course As-salamu alaykum and Wa-Alaikum-Salaam (though no one every seemed to say the "a" of alaykum or the Wa")
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    We are way off in tangent land but "paperwork" sounds like an excuse. If you have adults already willing to volunteer their time and resources, then ask those same adults to help with the paperwork. I was an active and registered leader as well and I don't recall paperwork being a big impediment to me being a volunteer. And, as it pertains to the other troops after my daughter's troop folded, I was always willing to help, was simply told "we are full" if I ever even received a response. I am not trying to say the GSUSA model is easy, it isn't. Frankly, I think it is terrible from both the perspective of a registered volunteer for two years and from the perspective of an active parent, and from the perspective of a parent that wanted to be active. They throw new leaders to the proverbial wolves and hope you can make it up as you go. Additionally, GSUSA simply doesn't make it easy for anyone to join after troops are already up and running. You either join as a Daisy or HOPE you can find a troop willing to take you when you are older. The two organizations have very different perspectives on how to grow (or maintain) their various franchises as well as how to grow and retain institutional knowledge across those franchise platforms.
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    Nah. For a den, you can have Assistant Den Leaders. My son's den had 23 boys at one point and the DL has 2 or 3 ADLs. Nothing keeps the GSUSA, and their lack of official positions, from having a very similar solution - and I think it would be even easier for GSUSA since the volunteers would not have the expense of an ADL uniform. In my daughter's first GSUSA troop, I was an active and registered leader. No official title but I ran two meetings a semester at the request of the troop leader. Again, nothing kept those other troops from asking me to do the same or something similar to make adding my daughter less of a burden.
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    Very easy solution. You ask the new parent to take on an active role in the troop so their daughter can be a member. My daughter was turned away more than once and not once did the rejecting troop even ask me if I (or my wife) was willing to be a volunteer. I literally had to beg to find her a troop. And really, how is this any different than BSA? Have too many scouts to fit into two cars, then someone else will have to volunteer to drive the third vehicle. When my daughter wanted to join cub scouts, the CC asked me if I wanted to lead the den. I didn't really want to but I accepted the job so my daughter could have this experience. I don't see why GSUSA should approach growth in such a different and more exclusive manner. Doesn't seem like a rational response.
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    Unless I missed it, I didn't see anywhere in that link that said what to call the actual girls that are in Scouts BSA.
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    Chartering a New Troop for Girls

    As far at troop numbers our council (or maybe just our district) appears to have decided to not allow any duplications within the district. Any other troop number is fair game. I like that they will get to pick their own troop number just like they (well, just my daughter at the time) got to pick their own den number.
  7. Thanks, I was going to cover the rally but I didn't know about the book. Good stuff!
  8. I am working with my AOL den on LB, LF soon and I am trying to nail down the history of girls in scouting. I am seeing conflicting information online as it pertains to when girls were allowed to join Scouts BSA. One reference has it listed as early as 1935 while others have it listed as 1969 or 1971 ("full membership" - which suggests some early version of partial membership). Anyone have something definitive? I even called the national HQ and they could not give me an answer over the phone, said they would have to get back with me. They even acted a bit suspicious and wanted to know why I was asking?!?
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    Eagle Board of Review - Ethics

    But then would they also ask other Eagle candidates about their pre-marital sexual relationships? Seems like this was only an issue because it was so obviously public. If it had been a private sin of the same nature (on-going physical relationship with another person), would they have even asked or much cared? Does the SM discuss pre-marital activity with all their scouts as part of their SMC? I don't have an issue with it as long as it is consistently applied. One might even suggest that the adult leaders follow the same example.
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    Eagle Board of Review (Appeal)

    I heard just this week a scouter proudly tell my scout that he occasionally asked a scout to tie a specific knot while during their Eagle BOR. It was all I could do to not comment in light of the recent Scouting Magazine article.
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    Take a little of my cola and a little of your whiskey...
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    Perhaps Cola. "Coca Cola" started it all but it wasn't long before there were other "Colas" like Pepsi, RC, and others throughout the world. While Coke can claim ownership of Coca Cola and Pepsi can claim ownership of Pepsi Cola, I doubt anyone would face serious legal challenges to simply offering a generic "Cola" or perhaps a more accurate of a comparison, "Cola BSA."
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    So when talking to a group of boy scouts, your going to say, "hey BSA for boys, let's gather 'round to..."?
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    Still would have the issue of what we call the sc@&ts. Sure would be interesting to hear just how close, or how far apart, both orgs were when they were originally discussing some sort of joint action that might have avoided all this. Cue Rodney King...
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    Veterans in Scouting

    I watched that, and it does, a little. Again, it might be me being a curmudgeon but civilians actually forget all the time. There is almost no national awareness that troops are still dying in active hostile engagements in various conflicts. Some stranger telling me to "never forget" still begs the question a bit. I lived it; of course I will never forget. Perhaps if they said instead said "[I will] never forget." I didn't get that implication when I watched it live but perhaps I missed it. I might have to think on this a bit. I've long known that I didn't care for the practice but I hadn't put enough thought into it to have a well formed opinion or a recommended solution. [Conscious stream of thought to follow...] I was never in REAL harms way. I was in the infantry and I was deployed overseas but never in a really hostile situation (missed Desert Shield by a week). Why should someone thank me or even acknowledge me any more than they would acknowledge the social worker or the parole officer that might work in a dangerous environment all the time? If I had joined the military to be a legal clerk and I was station in Hawaii for 5 years, did I really do something that deserves special recognition? MANY do deserve recognition and appreciate for their sacrifices but thanking a random vet when you don't know what they/we did? Even telling us they will never forget - forget what? That my "sacrifice" was to deliver mail for six months while I was deployed to Egypt (true story)? *Shrug...* Still considering...
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