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    Adult Recongnition

    We try to recognize key leaders each year as they are being active with the troop. For summer activities we have made mugs (large / regular / travel) and metal coozies over the years. In August we have an adult leaders "meeting" and review the summer. We have about 25 - 30 leaders there from various summer camps, HA, and support functions At Christmas we try to get a small gift for the SM / ASM's / Outdoor For others they sort of, to paraphrase Dugout Doug McArthur..."Old leaders never die, they simply fade away" (Note that he swiped that from and old English folk song) Now we did have a long-term SM step down, we had some items for him.
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    Per WSJ -BSA may declare bankruptcy

    We were pleased that they acknowledged there is an issue coming over the horizon. They made clear the separation of National to Local council. They specifically called out the properties (Woodruff and Bert Adams) and the VSC (literally in the shadow of the new Braves ballpark) would not be affected. AAC is clearly in the latter part of this question...do you raise money to have scouting OR do you have scouting to raise money. Note that the message is addressed to Parents, Volunteers, and Donors. No mention of the actual scouts who we are providing program to.
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    Per WSJ -BSA may declare bankruptcy

    Interesting message from the Atlanta Area Council today..... Parents, Volunteers and Donors: The purpose of this communication is to help you understand the position of the Atlanta Area Council, BSA and how it relates to National BSA's story in the recent Wall Street Journal article. Below are some fast facts we would like to share with you: We operate as a financially separate not-for-profit organization and our Council receives no funding from the National organization. The Atlanta Area Council is a 501(c)(3) entity incorporated in Georgia. Our Camps, Volunteer Service Center and finances are owned and controlled by the Atlanta Area Council. Local Scouting programs, camps and the Volunteer Service Center will not be directly affected by National BSA's consideration of their options. All funds contributed to the Atlanta Area Council stay in Metro-Atlanta this includes Friends of Scouting donations, popcorn and camp card sales. Our Council is strong, in fact the Atlanta Area Council is among the strongest in the nation from perspectives of fiscal health, quality programs, volunteer dedication, safety and staff quality. It is our hope that the National organization can navigate the difficult waters that many organizations face over a century of existence; we will help the National organization as called upon. In Atlanta our primary focus is on bringing high-quality programs for over 31,000 Scouts in each neighborhood we serve. Thank you for continuing your role and providing leadership and support to the youth in Metro-Atlanta. Yours in Scouting, Tracy Techau Scout Executive/CEO Atlanta Area Council, BSA
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    Per WSJ -BSA may declare bankruptcy

    Yes. It is a cash drain. If you read the notes (buried I might add) in the annual report the true picture of the issue comes to light. There are forward thinking statements about "upcoming fund raising" and "anticipated donations". Also there is a balloon payment north of $125 million on the bonds in 2021 I believe. Assume they would refinance that for more interest and kick that can down the road. Bottom line Summit is sort of a microcosm of what is wrong with "corporate" scouting. Some group within National (volunteers and pros) decided THIS is what was needed. This giant EGO project. A big shiny Disneyesque camp to draw all these Scouts to it, cash would roll in. They based some of this on the "waiting lists" for Philmont and Seabase, and to a lesser degree Northern Tier. There was supposedly this unfulfilled population that could be tapped. Well shockingly that is actually a smaller group. Also Scouts want real adventure and action. If you want zip lines, mt biking, whitewater rafting, backpacking, water park adventures, and planned climbing; guess what, my unit can do it waaay cheaper locally. No one bothered to ask if units wanted that or would they spend money to go there. Answer seems to be nope. The local unit is where Scouting happens. Maybe they should ask units what they want and more importantly, what they will pay to actually do.
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    Per WSJ -BSA may declare bankruptcy

    Well that is an interesting question. IMHO it goes back many many years and continues with inept management. The program at it's core is solid, the overhead execution is tone deaf and not aware of what is actually happening in the trenches. Early 70's - Social tinkering and the introduction of ISP (Improved Scouting Program) that gutted the core outdoor program, in 8 years 40% of Scouts left 70's and 80's - National Leadership handles abuse cases very poorly, and continues to handle them poorly 90's - Some focus away from the outdoor programs and focus STEM and non traditional Scouting activities 90's - Risk management gets to the forefront, BSA is afraid to do the things we used to do successfully 00's - Not fully funding pensions, decides (like many municipalities) to kick that financial can down the road 00's - More and continued social tinkering with the program drives away some membership 00's - Rather than focus on why some traditional units are successful and what draws youth the them, expands into "Scouting for Life" and other non-core offerings, membership shenanigans abound 00's - Early in the new century the brain trust decides that what is needed is a NEW and SHINY National camp, so the SUMMIT is born, 1/2 BILLION dollars later (and counting) it continues to be a giant hole to shovel cash into 00's - Liability insurance goes up, but National is remiss is passing that cost along for several years, really eating into the reserves 00's - The National overhead is not reduced in ratio to the actual number of Scouts, gotta pay the man 00's - Due to various changes the LARGEST group that charters Scouts (20% of membership) makes the decision to part ways with BSA
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    Per WSJ -BSA may declare bankruptcy

    Curious if anyone has had any direct comments or feedback from their local councils? I wonder is the local councils were in the loop before the CSE e-mail or did it just roll into the inboxes at the office like it did ours? Not sure if the councils will try to do some damage control or hunker down.
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    Per WSJ -BSA may declare bankruptcy

    I thought (think??) the Councils and Nationals money and finances are separate to a degree. For example National cannot make councils pony up cash to pay for Summit-a-palooza and all those costs. Just as National will likely not bail out a council for bad finance decisions and spending. There is overlap for pensions and the membership dues
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    Per WSJ -BSA may declare bankruptcy

    What a vague note. Doesn't say BSA is NOT filing bankruptcy, just that these matters continue to have the full attention of the highest levels of our organization, Well..with that type of firm commitment, I am sleeping well
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    Lost Eagle Scout Project Proposal

    The district / council approval person likely has a copy. Contact them for a "refresh" I have not heard of the post project + pre BOR meeting. Our troop has 8 - 10 Eagles annually. The final check is performed during the SM conference. If the Scout wants a review then the Life to Eagle coordinator sets up a quick meeting.
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    Linked or not linked?

    Our unit had the same feedback from the Boy Scouts and actually our leaders feel the same about linked troops. If some group wants to start a troop for girls (as it is Wednesday not 100% sure what the correct term currently is) at the church we wish them well. We would be glad to speak with them and offer advice, but we are not looking at a linked model. The CO has 2 packs and our troop. Roughly 300 Cubs and Boy Scouts, but no groundswell for a troop for girls. If a unit and the current BOY SCOUTS (to be called Scouts 2/19) in the unit are supportive of a linked troop model, that would be an easier road to travel. If not supported by the youth, could get rocky
  11. Not the project paperwork, that goes back to the troop and Eagle As others have noted we sign 2 copies of the Eagle application, one for the troop and one the district retains. Also the district keeps a record of who was on the EBOR, there seems to be a form. For our district the troop is responsible to file the completed one at the council office.
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    I think the "Family" aspect (however you may define that) is the largest unknown coming around the bend for the Boy Scouts (soon to be Scouts BSA). Not sure how all these new families that are flooding in will react when the kiddos can't be in the same troop, all the younger siblings aren't tagging along, and (if used) the linked troops do different activities. Also the way troops camp is vastly different from Cubs. Same for meetings, planning, advancement. These will be good times as it gets hashed out.
  13. Incorrect signatures are sometimes an issue. On the report more photos is better than less, especially those that show what you were doing and what the end product or outcome may have been. Easier for the BOR group to visualize the accomplishment Remember that it is NOT a job interview, it is a review. This should be a conversation about your journey through Scouting, what you have gained, what you have given back, and (hopefully) how you may be of service to Scouting going forward.
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    We had a quick Eagle award last night. After as we were getting ready to leave the Eagle made the comment "I am glad I got my Eagle before the name change". Interesting thought. Not so much for right now, because we are heading down the road and already have made a change decision. Question is how will these young men feel in 10 -15 years about the Boy Scouts of America (or whatever it may be called) and what effect will that have. Will they believe it is the same organization that they were in? Are the folks in Dallas selling the future for a hopefully quick win in the current times? The analogy of the YMCA is spot on. People were members of the YMCA and they have most certainly changed and updated their focus, but they are still called the YMCA. We are the Boy Scouts of America. There is a tremendous amount of name recognition and good will from that name. Let's not muck it up.
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    The way that place is hemorrhaging cash, they would gladly take any and all groups to fill slots
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    I'm gonna bet nope One of our ASM's had a daughter in GS. She was about 12 or 13 at the time, he was getting her at an event and to say he was not welcomed would be an understatement. Now he is an Eagle Scout from back in the day, long term leader, nicest guy, just there to get his kid and say hey. Other leaders / dads with daughters have also said they were not welcome at all at GSUSA functions. God forbid they try to camp with them
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    Camporee

    I wonder when the MB will be changed to Indigenous Peoples Lore, also that headress on the MB may be an issue
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    Camporee

    We setup knife throwing as an event at a winter camporee, the district leaderships head(s) spun and they wanted to be sure we had the appropriate pages of the GTSS on-site and ready for review. Honestly the GTSS is a but vague. But, we blew them up to poster size just for fun. The patrols loved the event so in our mind, it was a success
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    Camporee

    Camporees while put on with good intentions seem to end up being some groups version of what they seem to feel an ideal Scout campout should be. As we can see as demonstrated by this forum, what is perceived as ideal is open to interpretation. One group mentioned a movie at one, others speak of different activities, and some camporees aim to ONLY have skills for lower rank requirements. One we went to the guys came back to the site and said they worked on lashing for about 30 minutes then some old guy told them how wrong they had done it for another 30 minutes. Not really firing them up to come back to another one. Some troops like them and feel it adds to their program, others do not. The district used ask us (we are the largest unit in the district) about attending, they have sort of stopped and view us as "that" troop. We're OK with that.
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    Camporee

    These were the lowest attended events for the troop. We asked the scouts why nobody wanted to go, they said they really were not much fun and that our troop outings were better. We are a larger troop so we typically have 35 - 40 on outings, plus leaders. For camporees and district events we would get less than half of that attendance Discussion was should we maybe (God help us) get involved with the planning of these. Both are run and organized by the OA mafia in the district and they really do not have a welcoming vibe to them. So we took the path of least resistance about 8 to 10 years ago and went our own way.
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    Camporee

    One more reason not to go to camporees.....
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    Camporee

    So if you are a troop and you are manning a station or activity at a camporee and you only have male leaders, and a girl patrol saunters up to participate you are saying the troop should have a female leader at the station??
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    Philmont 2020 slots

    We have 2 slots for June 2020 For High Adventure 2019 we have 2 crews to Seabase in May and 1 crew in June (18 Scouts and 6 leaders) 1 crew to Philmont in June (6 Scouts and 3 leaders) Also our regular week long camp in June and another in July A busy summer
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    Time to Go.

    That's a straw man argument for sure. Yes there are Scouts running around the woods, but seriously? We have an average of 30 - 35 + Scouts on 13 outings annually. Honestly we can go through many weekends with the worst thing maybe being a band-aid. We have maybe 1 time per year that requires an after camp out medical visit. Very rare. If the troop has a work around for that, the issues will become how food is prepared, security concerns, or some other "issue" that requires the parents to be there. The play seems to have many many acts
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    Juvenile Offenses and Ethics

    Well - that paints a different light on the issue. From your input we seem to have a youth that is in fact not learning from mistakes and may have some issues. Agree that he may in fact not be an Eagle candidate. Tough tough call and not a pleasant road to travel down.
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