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  1. Jameson76

    How to ease out a chartered org rep?

    Typically the COR is not directly involved with the unit operations as a COR. Seems this COR wants to be the CM or CC, he may want to be large and in charge because that's what he wants to do and NOT what you need or want him to do. The Chartered Organization Representative (COR) is the direct contact between the unit and the Chartered Organization. This individual is also the organization's contact with the District Committee and the Local Council. ... If the chartered organization has more than one unit, one representative serves them all. Nothing in that involves direct unit operations / program There is a pretty good guide - https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/04-113.pdf Below is sort of what they are supposed to do, run program is not really one of these. ❑ Serve as a member of the unit Key 3 team and meet together several times a year. ❑ Serve as a liaison between your units, your organization, and the council structure. ❑ Encourage unit leaders and committee members to take advantage of training opportunities and to regularly attend district roundtables. ❑ Promote well-planned unit programs. ❑ Organize units to serve the youth needs of your organization and the community. ❑ Promote the recruitment of new members. ❑ See that youth participants and adult volunteers advance from one program phase to the next. ❑ Assist with annual unit charter renewal. ❑ Suggest unit Good Turns for your organization. ❑ Encourage unit committee meetings. ❑ Encourage the pursuit of Journey to Excellence performance. ❑ inform and engage organization leaders and members. ❑ Encourage active outdoor unit programs. ❑ Emphasize advancement and recognition. ❑ Secure district help when needed. ❑ Use approved unit finance policies. ❑ Encourage recognition of leaders. ❑ Cultivate resources to support your organization’s units. ❑ Represent your organization on the council and district levels. ❑ Serve on your council’s relationship committees when asked
  2. We stopped there heading back from Skymont Got a replacement lid for a dutch oven Skymont clean site award is the Cracked Skillet award. Much to our surprise we actually have won it a few time
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    Kudos to my council - Northern Star

    Again people speak of commissioners and the reason the role is not commonly understood is that so few folks / units have actually seen one. They may file reports, but very few are seen in the wild. The commissioner should know the units leaders, the CC's of the units, the key unit leaders (not the leader or CC, but the ones who actually gets stuff done). This would entail more than maybe an annual visit. Honestly if you query most units about their commissioner you will get "who??" or "what??" Not saying it could not or should not be a useful role, but the execution is often times lacking.
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    BSA Mortgages Philmont Scout Ranch

    Wait - Summit Bechtel Family National Scout Reserve is valued at $371 million dollars? The site is maybe 13,000 acres, that would be $28,500 per acre. Seems a bit pricey.....
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    Wood splitting tips

    There are many options
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    Hair-Brained Idea du Jour...

    It all depends on how you approach STEM, you have to work it into the program - We were at a canyon hiking the rim, we posed the question, if we throw Timmy off, how long until he hits the bottom if the bottom is 700 ft? That lead to the speed and acceleration discussions. Also how much force would be needed to get Timmy out far enough - We spotted the International Space Station on an outing, good discussion points on the station, geosynchronous orbits, etc - Time to get to an outing..if the campsite is XX miles away, and we drive XX miles per hour, when do we arrive? - How hot does the fire need to be to melt glass? (surprisingly not that hot)
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    National Leadership, Surbaugh Leave of Absense

    We have never turned in the project book with Eagle application. Our unit completes 12 to 14 Eagles annually. The initial project is approved at the district, then reviewed at the EBOR, but that is it. Pre-EBOR we turn in 2 page application to service center and contact list, then post EBOR application with signatures
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    Rifle Shooting Merit Badge, Option C Req. L

    @le Voyageur - Discuss what points you would consider in selecting a muzzleloading rifle. Key point - How will it perform in the Zombie Apocalypse?
  9. After some local meetings and conversations with local professionals, I am curious what are the actual BSA priorities now? It seems that apparently our main focus and purpose is YPT, it currently defines the movement; then maybe training, it is most important; then making the Bechtel Summit property an essential asset (hey let's move everything there) so it can be protected in a bankruptcy; then remember it's all about being an Eagle Scout, or maybe the new background checks, if you don't toe the line, see ya; and just shut up and pay the new fee as Scouting is a great value; then let's make sure we add girls (which is fine); and remember No Bullying; don't forget that Family camping is the best thing ever; we need to add kindergartners; and there is STEM; and etc etc etc Seems that National and Local Councils have moved away from focusing on Outdoor Programs and letting youth learn and grow. You remember, patrols and youth led activities. Successful Units continue that focus and honestly much of this does not impact us directly, but long-term it will be harder to bring in new youth. Families will look at all of the red tape, and after sitting through the 2 hour YPT training and go...yeah...maybe not.
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    BSA Mortgages Philmont Scout Ranch

    Remember - whatever the question is, the answer is in fact "sell more popcorn". Sadly my unit is not part of the solution as we don't hock the corn
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    National Leadership, Surbaugh Leave of Absense

    Sadly they (BSA National) does not seem to look for outside talent. You have to be part of the club, raised in the club, dedicated to the club, in order to be anointed to run the club. Likely some of the issues with finance and direction, currently impacting the organization, may have been lessened if leaders with some outside experience and different professional path had been in charge.
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    BSA Mortgages Philmont Scout Ranch

    Sadly it has been ongoing for a while. This really stems from several items 1) The cost for the Summit, this is a huge drain 2) Pension Liabilities that are not fully funded for the professional Scouts 3) General overhead not full contracted for current size of the organization 4) Sub part of the that is the current Council Structure may not be the best to deliver Scouting to the local community 5) General Medical Health Care costs, actually this impacts pretty much every business and organization 6) The liability portion (not abuse cases) that are more prevalent, see above, due to everyone's rise in premiums, a lot of high deductibles, makes more sense to file on BSA insurance for a sustained injury 7) The abuse case money issue
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    BSA Mortgages Philmont Scout Ranch

    Banner year for the ranch. You had normal traffic, those that signed up in 2017 for a 2019 trek. Then you have some of those cancelled in 2018 who filled in for 2019. Maybe 25,000, (typical is maybe 22,000) but that may not be accurate. Much of the loss will never be recovered. In our case we had 24 Scouts and Leaders signed up for 2018. Many did our hurried up Adventure Trek and called it good. We had 4 from the 2018 group plus 4 others not signed up for 2018 attend this summer. We will have 2 of the 2018 attend in 2020. So in a very small sample, of the original 24 - 6 will do a 12 day Philmont trek. That is 25%
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    Did BSA "Abandon" LDS?

    I don't think one could disagree with this statement: “The reality there is we didn’t really leave them; they kind of left us,” said M. Russell Ballard, acting president of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. “The direction they were going was not consistent to what we feel our youth need to have ... to survive in the world that lies ahead for them.” One could certainly argue whether they agree with stated positions of the Mormon Church, but they are what they are. Fact is the BSA has made changes in membership requirements. The BSA felt they needed to make changes to be more inclusive, the Mormon Church feels they need to adhere to their values. In this case both groups are in many ways correct. The outcome (in my opinion) is not good for either group. BSA is losing 20% of their membership while the Mormon Church is becoming more insular and interacting less with non-Church groups.
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    BSA Mortgages Philmont Scout Ranch

    Question is - what is the plan (if there is one) to rather than live on a Line of Credit, actually be somewhat revenue neutral. Agree with the Summit burning money like a drunken sailor
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    LDS Youth Program for 2020

    First - the, I am assuming very nice gentleman, that started means well, but not sure if he is explaining or preaching. There is a great deal of Mormon (LDS??) speak and their own language. Not sure non LDS folks have the needed frame of reference. Quorum of 12 disciples? Ward and Branch councils? You have been prompted? I wish them well as they progress along the covenant path.
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    Backpacking..... with Webelos

    I remember (during the Reagan years) taking a Webelos den with my Explorer post on an overnight camping trip. We did hiking, rapelling, and climbing. Great chance for the Explorers to do instruction and move from doing to teaching. They had a blast (Explorers / Webelos / Parents). As the Webelos and parents talked with the Explorers we talked about an upcoming outing (the next month) which involved a ferry to a barrier island, hiking up the beach a few miles and camping behind the dunes for a couple of nights. They tagged along and very much enjoyed the experience. Go have adventure, THAT is what will make Scouting continue to be great.
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    What are the BSA priorities??

    Assuming East Idaho may have a goodly number of LDS units?
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    Backpacking..... with Webelos

    Sad part is that we feel the question has to be asked, or needs to be asked. Challenge is that scouting (universal) is local and rules are made at National. There are Scouts BSA troops out there that likely do not have the wherewithal to do a mile hike and overnight camping. On the flip side there are many Webelos (AOL??) groups that have enough depth of experience to do an effective backpacking trek My input, but then I'm a bit of a pirate, would be that if you feel the group can handle this adventure, go forth and enjoy.
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    New Sex Abuse Arrest

    Saw this and wonder where the breakdown was. The troubling detail (and it is only alleged) - The abuse allegedly took place “on multiple occasions” at Boy Scout retreats and meetings between January 2018 and November 2018 This implies this is not a one incident issue, it happened at meetings (assume that was the weekly Troop meetings), it happened at retreats (assume that is outings), and it took place over a 10 to 11 month period. Not sure what may be occurring with that troop and how is the 1 on 1 apparent access not being noted. Meetings could be the guy gave the kid a ride to or from, which would be a violation, but could be how it happened. Outings possibly the same. Just wow, you certainly want to trust and rely on other leaders; with that being said, it is important to be situationally aware of what is occurring.
  21. We had something along those lines from some parents, "hey you are being unfair, not listening to their kids side, we should have involved them, etc etc". Honestly was surprised because we, as you seemed to have done, approached the issue (and it was not the first one) as a teaching moment, this was leaders to Scouts and the NEXT step if this persisted would been to have a sit down with Scout and Parents. Sooo they came in and we sat down, talked about some prior challenges, they asked why they were not looped in. We reminded them we had in fact touched on some of the challenges with Dad at a few of the outing return times...Mom looked at Dad...dad looked at the floor, but again we wanted the Scout to grow and take responsibility. They had some pushback, Scout sort of looked smug like he may be winning this and we were being put in our place (honestly my opinion of the Scout changed through all of this process). We then pivoted on the family and explained that we understood their concerns, going forward one (or both) obviously needed to be at meeting, outings, summer camp to be available if there were challenges, no phone would not in fact work. They would need to get back with us. A few weeks later moved to another troop and actually got tossed out of that one for some behavior. Understand from some of the Scouts he had some School challenges also
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    Winter Camping Quick Tip

    There with you...we are camping this weekend, and it will get down to 34 on Friday night, 36 on Saturday. For us, that will be like Siberia. That being said, some will be in shorts. Honestly, we rarely have days where it does not get above freezing for some portion of the day. In the last 20 years we have camped where some snow came down maybe 3 times, accumulation once. We had to head to the mountain to experience that Yeah...if the water's freezing in the tent, we would be waaaay out of our element.
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    Uniform During Fund Raising

    Is that a Unit or District or Council "Fund Raising Chair"? If in the Unit your CC should have a word with him and determine what the perceived issue may be in their mind. Seems this is the UNIT pancake breakfast, this is a Scouting activity, so yes to the uniforms If District or Council...refer them to the UC or DC Here is some information https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2017/02/02/unit-fundraising-dos-and-donts/ Here is the unit fundraiser application https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/34427.pdf Note the question on page 1 - Will your members be in uniform while carrying out this project? (See items 3–6 on other side.) These are items 3 - 6 (honestly question if overpriced popcorn complies with #%) 3. Will your fund-raiser prevent promoters from trading on the name and goodwill of the Boy Scouts of America? Because of Scouting’s good reputation, customers rarely question the quality or price of a product. The nationwide network of Scouting units must not become a beehive of commercial interest. 4. Will the fund-raising activity uphold the good name of the BSA? Does it avoid games of chance, gambling, etc.? Selling raffle tickets or other games of chance is a direct violation of the BSA Rules and Regulations, which forbid gambling. The product must not detract from the ideals and principles of the BSA. 5. If a commercial product is to be sold, will it be sold on its own merits and without reference to the needs of Scouting? All commercial products must sell on their own merits, not the benefit received by the Boy Scouts. The principle of value received is critical in choosing what to sell. 6. If a commercial product is to be sold, will the fund-raising activity comply with BSA policy on wearing the uniform? The official uniform is intended to be worn primarily for use in connection with Scouting activities. However, council executive boards may approve use of the uniform for any fund-raising activity. Typically, council popcorn sales or Scout show ticket sales are approved uniform fund-raisers
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    What are the BSA priorities??

    Agree 100% The challenge is so many of the volunteers that plot direction, lead efforts, implement the new and most current WB training, etc etc, have NOT actually seen a Scout or Cub in years and years. They may "attend" a big event, but it is at best a drive by. For many they have not done a full weekend camping event in eons, if ever at all. By this I mean being in the CO lot before the Scouts come, hooking up the trailer, stepping back and gently reminding the youth leaders what needs to be done, driving to the campsite, setting up (often in the dark), helping the youth ensure the program is running, maybe some first aid, helping the youth that need it, packing up, unloading at the CO, waiting for the last parents, unloading your own gear later...etc etc These council / national volunteers are well meaning, but they need to fully get WHY the kids are there, (probably not STEM or the latest flavor of the week; most likely it is they are looking for FUN with their friends, a break from the routine) and actually what brings them to an outing and Scouts. Chatting with some at a big event does not make give the answers. Time in the woods, in the mud, with the burned meals will.
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    What are the BSA priorities??

    Seems that 1st class would be 3 nights of camping Tenderfoot now - Spend at least one night on a patrol or troop campout. Sleep in a tent you have helped pitch. Second Class now - Since joining Scouts BSA, participate in five separate troop/patrol activities, at least three of which must be held outdoors. Of the outdoor activities, at least two must include overnight camping First Class now - Since joining Scouts BSA, participate in 10 separate troop/patrol activities, at least six of which must be held outdoors. Of the outdoor activities, at least three must include overnight camping