Eagle94-A1

If memory serves, just no 'double dippin" i.e. using the same POR for both Boy Scout and Sea Scout rank advancement, service project counts towards one rank or the other, etc. Glad he found his happy place and good luck and fair winds to him. Not only do I hope he earns Eagle, but Quartermaster as well.

No DE to night. But I went searching online. Daisy model 1938 is what we use for some of the rifles. We never have trouble with Tigers shooting because an adult partner is suppose to be with them at all times. I have always seen Tiger partners with their Tigers, and accompanied my sons when they were Tigers to shoot. Whenever I ran a course with Tigers, I always had their adult partner helping them. Only time I ever had trouble was with twins. We had to have them shoot one at a time, and not together.

But it is not listed on the online version, which according to the print versions IS the most current version.Nor is it listed in the online PDF. I will talk to my DE tonight, if he shows up to RT, and get the info today. THIS https://www.scouting.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/multigun.pdf Accoding to the manual, you need council approval to do the activity. But according to the new guidlines you do not.

No typo. Shooting Sports Awards book was not updated when this policy came out. It is now in the process of being updated. On a different note, it appears that troops, ships, and crews will no longer need council approval for the Multigun Airsoft Expereince. It is no longer showing it is no longer showing that approval is needed with the new guidelines.

Pack will be accepting girls. CO is trying for form a separate, non-linked troop for the girls. This is actually falling upon the Scouters who have daughters though. Troop took a poll on the topic and while accepting that girls will be in Scouting, they do not want to be a "linked" troop. If we become a "linked" troop, aka coed troop, over 50% of the Scouts will transfer or quit.

It will be a problem for my area. We have several major events during the year that include Tigers, and now Lions, that have BB gun ranges.Because it is a free flow type event with no set times, just wait in line for your turn. Because of the numbers, we cannot tell who is what level unless they are wearing their neckers. I already see problems with this rule being enforced. On a different note, I am glad my youngest will be Crossing Over soon.

Heads up, as of May 2018, Tuigers are no longer allowed to do BB Guns. Here si the document link https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/HealthSafety/pdf/680-685.pdf Note this is not in the G2SS, but in a separate, 2 page document. Just found out today. Ticked off about this rule.

Sadly, not every council has a list of approved camp grounds for Cubs. Some councils still have folks who believe "Cubs don't need to camp" on their camping committees. That's my council. My pack only goes to places listed in the OA's Where to Go Camping book since that is the closest thing to council approved locations. I've been told some councils only approved their own camps for packs to camp in. FYI prior to May 2015, Cub Scout packs and dens were not allowed to do boating activities. Cubs were only allowed to do boating at district/council run events. I had a discussion with my SE about why Packs could not take advantage of the boat rentals at the local Scout camp. Also commented how the new boating adventures could only be done at the district/council level. Thankfully that policy changed. It's only 3 years old, not 80.

Black robes won't work in my area as we tried once before. Got complaints about the black robes being satanic as well as too reminiscent of the KKK robes.

Thankfully that new policy only affects the OA, not individual packs and/or troops.

Regarding knots and professionals. unless things have changed in the 20 years since I was a pro, professionals are barred from earning knots with a few exceptions, i.e. Professional Training (aka Darth vader knot), Heroism Award, West, etc. So Pros cannot earn the Keys, Training Awards, District Awards of Merit, etc. And they are ineligible for those recognition for 5 years after leaving the profession. We had a guy who was a pro, and retired. He was from the area and continued to volunteer, and served in multiple positions. Every new DE tried to put his name in for both DAM and SB because he was that helpful, and all three DEs were told he is ineligible because of the 5 year rule. 4 DE was successful, because it was the 6th year after retirement. Another former pro I know was put in for the DAM and rejected because of the 5 year rule.

Regarding lifeguards, while having a certified lifeguard is AWESOME, the current lifeguard courses focus on pools and not lakes and rivers. You need to take an additional course on that if memory serves. BSA Aquatics Supervision Courses, both Safe Swimming and Paddle Sports would be better courses as they focus on lakes and rivers. SSD use to mention being able to use older Scouts with Lifesaving MB.

Safe Swim Defense is an online course that covers these elements of Safe Swim Defense Discipline Buddy System Ability Groups Lifeguards Look Outs Physical Fitness Qualified Supervision Safety Afloat is also online and covers the following elements Qualified Supervision Personal Health Review aka Physical Fitness Swimming Ability Life Jackets Buddy System Skill Proficiency Planning Equipment Discipline An overview can be found here: https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/gss/gss02/ Without swim tests, everyone is classified as a NONSWIMMER and can go no deeper than the knees. You will need to have an area marked off, people to serve as Lifeguards (minimum of 2, then 1:10 ratio) plus look outs, rescue gear, etc. This may seem overboard, but trust me things happen. We had a Scout cough in a riptide in kneedeep water. I went in to make the save, and ended up becoming victim two. If it wasn't for the surfer who rescued the Scout, and the other lifeguard who got me (once the Scout was rescued) neither one of us would be alive today. As it was I spent 3 months in a sling/imobilizer before and after surgery, then another 6 months of physical therapy. Safe Swim Defense is NOT overboard.

Yes. Swim tests for all, Cubs and adults alike. Safe Swim Defense and Safety Afloat must be followed. And of course, in a pond or lake, no moving water, for Cubs still.

That's the case with these parents. Dad was never in Scouts as a youth. All their Scouting experience is Cub Scouts ( both are registered with the pack still, mom is a DL, dad a MC) and they think Boy Scouts is just a continuation of Cub Scouts. This is the pack that treats the Webelos like Cubs still, and we have a hight turnover rate with their Scouts. They have been pushing more and mroe family activities.

SM has compromised. SM gave him credit for camping and other requirements that dad intervened and helped with to get Second Class. We have tried to work with the family on 3 different occasions. WE NEVER SAID THEY HAVE TO LEAVE EITHER (emphasis). SM did tell them that after Second Class, he would have to be part of the patrol, do his fair share of the work without dad helping, and camp with his patrol. SM stated that a First Class Scout is one that has mastered basic Scouting outdoor skills and can take care of himself and others without adults present. A First Class Scout is completely comfortable in the outdoors. This Scout is not there. But the parents, especially mom, is pushing and pushing for the Scout to receive First Class. And the situation is starting to affect the rest of the troop. I already mentioned the resentment it is causing. We have one Scout who is afraid of the water, and that is what is holding him back from getting Second and First Class ranks. He has mastered all the other basic outdoor skills, and even taught a session on Leave No Trace principles. He is in the process of overcoming his fears and learning how to swim. He has made some comments about it not being fair that The Scout can get Second Class sleeping without sleeping with his patrol, but he cannot advance due to swimming. The Scout with the medical condition has commented on the situation. And other Scouts have commented that earning rank is no longer a big deal as it appears the ranks are being handed out now. It is causing problems. And the Scout and dad leaving early on the camp out could have affected the entire troop if we were depending upon dad to provide transport for other Scouts, or tow the trailer. Thankfully we had enough drivers, but that could have left us in a lurch if we had more Scouts than seats. But Dad and Scout leaving summer camp without personally telling someone before they left is what really caused latest problem. I do not think they see anything wrong in what they did. I do not think he has any idea of the problems it could have caused if the text was not received before light outs. It's almost as if the family believes the rules do not apply to them. And as I stated, WE DID NOT TELL THEM THEY WOULD NEED TO LEAVE. We have tried to work with them and encourage the Scout. They were the ones that first mentioned leaving to join another troop. They got upset when the SM talked to them and the Scout about Second Class and needing to camp with his patrol form now own. They mentioned leaving then. Irony is the troop they will be visiting is a hard core, patrol method troop. It is the one that most reminds me of the troop I grew up in. And it is the one that if issues get worse in my troop, my sons are thinking of transferring to. I do not see the family joining that troop, or if they do, staying long. that troop will not compromise their program.

I sure hope my chapter doesn't do that with the regalia they use and the drum. 1/2 the regalia is my personal stuff I am loaning to them. And while they bought the drum, My oldest and I built the stand for it. My hope was that someday he would be and Arrowman, and sit at the drum to sing. With all the changes going on, he has no interest in the OA.

I know the requirements do not state anything about parents on a camp out. His mom is arguing that as to why he should be allowed to advance to First Class. But the Scout in question has not spent one night in a tent he has pitched. He will be with his patrol, set up tents, or survival shelters, with them, and then sneak off. Only one night did he sleep in a shelter he helped build with his patrol. Dad stayed outside the shelter until he fell asleep that night. Then second night he snuck into the parents tent. Since he has not slept in a tent he pitched, he should not even be Tenderfoot, let alone Second Class. And we have one Scout with a documented medical condition who spent the first year camping with dad. That Scout and his patrol mates old set up dad's tent so that the challenged scout could " Sleep in a tent you have helped pitch." Challenged Scout has not had any issues of late, and is sleeping with the patrol with some precautions.

I hear ya @ParkMan. But this has been happening over a year's time. We have tried tow work with the Scout. but A) The Scout is not even trying to hold up to his end of the agreement, B) dad is encouraging it, C) other scouts in the troop are seeing this and becoming resentful and D) the family mentioned leaving, not the SM. He's been in over a year. He's been on 6 overnite camp outs, leaving Saturday night on a 7th one because he refused to stay in a tent with his patrol, and attended 2 summer camps. We have tried to work with him, but he keeps sneaking out and joining his dad, and when mom and little brother are in attendance, the family. He is leaving his patrol behind, and leaving his buddy behind. In once case the buddy panicked when he woke up and found his buddy was missing. This caused both of them to sleep outside the father's survival shelter instead of in their own with the patrol. Apparently he was sneaking out of the tent and joining his dad last year at summer camp as well as this year. As mentioned, last weekend trip he decided he was not going to stay unless he could stay with is dad, and they left. SM talked about this to the parents and the Scout when they were pushing for a Second Class SMC and BOR. Everyone agreed the Scout would sleep with his patrol f rom now on in order to advance to First Class, and the Scout has not kept his end of that bargain.So we tried to work with them, and the situation has continued. And even got worse with summer camp. Not only did the Scout leave his tentmate to sleep with dad, both them left camp one nite to stay at a hotel with mom and sibling without telling anyone until AFTER they arrived at the hotel. Dad texted the two other Scouters at camp that he was at the camp with the Scout and they would be back in time for the first class. Thankfully one Scouter got the text that nite before anyone became aware they were missing. The acting SM didn't receive the message until the next mornign at breakfast. Can you imagine the problem that would have caused at summer camp with a lost camper drill and they are off site! As I said dad is encouraging it. When other adults talk to the Scout about the situation, dad says nothing. When this was discussed last time with the Scout and his dad for Second Class, another adult overheard him mutter to himself about if his son wants to sleep in his tent, he will. On the last weekend trip, dad didn't try to convince his son to stay. They left. Thankfully we had enough drivers, although it was tight. Some of the Scouts are getting resentful about him getting rank without actually earning it. We have one guy, been in a few months longer than the Scout above, who is afraid of water. He has done everything for all requirements through First Class, except the swimming. He hasn't said anything to the Scouters, but has told his mom how he cannto understand the Scout above being able to advance, but he can't due to swimming. Thankfully he been getting some swim lessons from one of the Scouters, and passed a Beginner test. Still working on Swimmer test. But he isn't the only one. other have commented how the Scout will not really work with his patrol. There have been complaints about dad doing the cooking and KP for him in the past. Yes, this is the dad who caused the entire patrol to walk off because he jumped in to do KP. Older Scouts have tried to work with the Scout, and dad has jumped in. So the situation is affecting the entire troop. Finally, the SM talked to them about the entire situation. He talked about how he depends on the adults to do what they say they will do. He talked about leaving camp without telling anyone and the problems it could have caused. He talked about how the Scout is not maturing and how the situation is actually harming the Scout. The discussion covered the same material as the new parent orientation they attended over a year ago, and had again 2 additional times since they joined the troop AND was reiterated a 4th time when they approached the SM for their son's Second Class SMC. The SM did not invite them to leave the troop, but tried a 4th time to emphasize the Aims and Methods of Scouting, and how the troop applies them. The parents are the ones who suggested another troop. And this is not the first time they suggested leaving either. When the SM talked to them before on this matter, they hinted at going to a neighboring troop because that troop said they did not have a problem parents camping with the troop. And that troop doesn't as long as the parents respect the rules the troop has in place for how adults act. And camping with mom and dad is not allowed.

SM caved in to parents and tried to compromise with them. He could advance to Second Class, but he would have to camp on his own from then on. As you can imagine, once word got out, other Socuts were not happy.

In my and other people's opinions, yes. When this first arose and the SM talked to them, Scout agreed to stop sneaking out and sleeping with dad. The Scout has gone back on his word, and dad refuses to encourage his son to keep his word. And it has turned into a safety issue. On multiple occasions now, Scout has abandoned his tentmate, leaving them alone. In one case this caused the shelter mate, upon waking up, to panic because the Scout was alone. That scout would not go back without his buddy. Long story short, both Scouts stayed outside the dad's survival shelter. Funny thing is, we are not a hard core troop compared to two she wants the family to visit. THAT will be a reality check!

Mothering. She keeps emphasizing his age as a factor as to why he should be allowed to sleep with dad. His den crossed over last year. So he has folks the same age, and also younger from this years' crossovers, who are camping with their patrols with no problem. Plus he's been with the troop over a year now. If dad would have discouraged him, instead of encouraginghim, this would not be a problem in my expereince. Since he has been in Boy Scouts over a year and is Second Class (don't ask), I do not see any troop allowing the family to keep it up. And the Scout with a medical condition is the same age as the Scout above, and he is fighting tooth and nail to be able to camp with his patrol.

Update. SM had two conversations with the family. First meeting appeared to have ended with an understanding. But minutes after getting home, SM gets a message Mom wants another meeting on the matter. Long story short, they will be looking at other units. I do not think any other units in the district will allow Scout to camp with mom and dad instead of his patrol.

One thing I heard about was solid colored shirts. each prinicpal ceremonialist would have a corresponding colored shirt that symbolizes something.