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[Old man Voice] "In my day, when we were coming from {insert activity here}, we went into the bathroom and changed into our Scout uniform, AND WE LIKED IT!" (OLD MAN VOICE OVER) 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Seriously though, I remember several times coming in late and changing in the bathroom. Heck I went from a HS senior ring ceremony (semi-formal dress)with my date to an Eagle Court of Honor, changed into uniform, went to the ECOH, and as soon as the ceremony was over change back into coat and tie and go to ring dance. But the absolute best was my girlfriend's winter formal. Prior to going, I had to MC a

Glad someone is being successful. The packs I have talked to are having issues with recruiting. Lot of folks cannot afford the $140 fee that national and council is charging.

A few comments. 1. be prepared to leave as the COR can do anything they want. grant you they are doing too much and really should be a support role. 2.. While I am a fan of troop ceremonies, my troop growing up had a standardized ECOH script, they need to be flexible. MY father was out of the picture when I got Eagle, but my Godfather was a big support, and he got the dad pin. 3. If you go the ECOH on your own, be prepared to pay the financial cost, as well as the emotional cost. It will cause issues with the COR. 4. A cheap way to go for initiations is to create a

When I was a youth many years ago, we had a troop fold and some of their Scouts joined our troop. We also got some gear out of them folding. Once I became an ASM, I found out the full story. CO was a civic organization, and the president and few board members were not favorable towards Scouting. They were also having some financial challenges. When their board found out that they owned equipment and money in the account, they decided they were not going to recharter the unit, sell the equipment, and use the money for themselves. One of the board members was pro scouting and got the word out. B

We are in a similar boat. We have no Cub Scout pack affiliated with us, and our council has refused to help when we asked for it.. Recruiting is strictly word of mouth, and usually entails folks transferring from other troops. However we now have 2 with no previous Scouting experience. We are pushing recruiting, both Scouts and parents. With the exception of me, none of the active, registered adults have Scouts anymore. And my youngest is looking to drop next year.

I admit, I see the necessity of having a SMALL (major emphasis) professional corps. UK is quite successful with a small cadre of pros. But BSA's overbloated bureaucracy is wasteful IMHO. Even councils can be wasteful. One council I know of has 3 individuals working one district, yet the other two have vacancies, and even when one was filled, the pro was not visible.

@Cburkhardt, You may not realize it, but there are ways for SEs, and to a lesser extent DEs, to manipulate who is, and is not, on a district committee, council executive committee, or council executive board. When I was a DE, my SE and DFS had an in-council training session on how to get the folks we want onto those committees. They essentially said we should get folks who will shut up and do what we tell them to do without question. One of the reasons why I was in trouble with them is because I refused to replace some "critics" with "yes men." I wanted the best folks for the job to

Again, I am just pointing out that nationally, there are different procedures. What is the norm in one area, is not the norm in another. Yes there are cameras, LEOs, metal detectors, buzz ins, etc. But presenting photo ID is not one of them.

As you stated, not everywhere. I visit high schools on a regular basis. I get buzzed into the office, register via computer which takes my photo and issues me a badge that is a sticker. No ID or fingerprints required.

I know some COs had no problem with parents taking YPT, getting a background check by the BSA, and registering as an MBC. We were told that MBCs also underwent a background check. Depends upon the council. In one council I was in, it was more than an afterschool program, just with subsidized SMs (he got resources he needed from the council. They had a parapro oversaw them and helped them. In another council, it was mixed. One district had a paid parapro running the 3-4 troops afterschool. In another district, 4 troops shared a subsidized SM. He was retired and 4 meetings

Yet the MBCs cannot camp. Will see a lot more of that, especially since it is already done at the Cub level.

And some councils have tacked on an insurance fee to MBCs, even though they can no longer camp with units. Understatement. Less staff, added council fees, and seeing no value for these fees is making many jaded in my area. And some families used Scouting in lieu of sports because they could not afford sport, like my family. Glad my older two are out because I do not think I could afford all 4 of us in the program ( would have been 5, but after multiple attempts to get the wife registered, and when she is finally registered as an MBC, she gets dropped with every other MBC in the

I hope when the mergers come to my area, the new pros actually listen and work with volunteers and develop relationships with them to get things done. Sadly the pros of late do not listen and do not stay around long enough for that to happen. Most quit within a year. Between the shortness of tenure and the lack of respect, there is a lot of distrust of professionals. And while sometimes change is good, at other times it is not. Sometimes the volunteers do indeed know better how to handle local situations because they know the community, and if a long time volunteer, what will work and wh

Sadly i see this in the future. Local distributers do not find it in their best interest to be a distributor anymore. IMHO, BSA has not treated them well. I know the Centennial Uniform debacle back in 2008 hurt a lot of distributors because they were buying merchandise that was going to soon be discontinued. My local distributor had a loss on Scouting merchandise, and quit selling stuff. And apparently his was everywhere. I visited a local distributor that was a direct competitor to the national scout shop, and they probably did as much business as the scout shop. I can tell you they hired fol

Source is a FB post by a previous NOAC judge/trainer.

That would be me. Highly dedicated Scouter: Award of Merit, Silver Beaver, and was slated to be the first female Vigil of my home lodge before the accusation happened. Banned for life because of the accusation. And the "scout" making the accusation had a known history of lying to stay out of trouble. A year before that accusation, he lied about 3 other adults giving him permission to leave an event with a bunch of friends. The other Scouts in his group came forward and told the truth which prevented the adults from getting in trouble. Yes, we need to believe youth as their safety is pa

I too was involved in ceremonies, AIA, kept the Vigil, etc. We did not have problems with youth and regalia as we had extremely active dancers. Initially it was the memorization of the ceremony scripts that youth complained about. Then when the National OA Committee comprised of 60 ADULTS (major emphasis) and 3 youth decided to mandate the AOL and Crossover Skits Ceremonies, that raised the ire of the youth. When the National OA Vice Chief at the time visited my lodge, he was confronted with why the decision was made by the youth of the lodge. He was asked so many times he stated the decision

Also it is about max capacity for medevc. I have a friend whose dream was to go to Philmont, but he can never go. He is over 320 pounds, 6'11", and is a powerlifter. He humped the hills of Afghanistan carrying double the weight that what Philmont recommends. But if things happened in Afghanistan, a CH-46 would have been used for medevac. Civilian medevacs have a max patient capacity of 295 pounds, which coincides with the max weight for HA. Sadly Congress got rid of the CH-46s of PEDRO that the Marines used to supplement civilian medevacs.

And this is where many folks, including some survivors, believe the problem is. Many folks, including some survivors, believe justice is not being served as many of the perps are dead, elderly, or will suffer no criminal penalties because of SOL. The folks who committed the crimes are getting away with it. However, because BSA had files of alleged and actual perps that they used to try and protect its members, the BSA is being charged with all of the abuse, despite its attempts to prevent it. As for the legal system, thankfully our legal system has progressed to have mandatory reporting

Not every council provides free training, outside of the online stuff. And even then, the online stuff leaves a lot to be desired. Heck even the current live classes have watered down materials compared to older courses. And then you got old fogeys who are already trained.

Survivors, no. The frauds who are looking to make a quick buck, absolutely. They are hurting actual victims. Which is why I wanted vetting of all claims. This is my biggest problem. Standards for the case were based upon today's laws and technology, and not that of the time the crimes occurred. BSA is demonized for having the IVF, which was the best way to prevent know pedophiles at the time. As I stated, someone posted a file where the perp tried to become a professional, and the IVF prevented him from working for the BSA. And not everyone is being held accountable. What about th

Oh yes inflation is a factor. So is the loss of COs and membership. But let's admit it, the bankruptcy, and the increases in insurance are the biggest factors. And while some of the money is coming from one time payments, some of those payments are coming from loans that need to be paid back.

For whatever reason, I am just now seeing your post. As was explained to me when I asked about this way back when I was a DE and had this issue, because of the charter's legal language, the CO is the only ones who can remove leaders, except for criminal allegations. COs have the right to hire and fire unit volunteers, not the BSA As for why the CO system exists, it is my understanding that the CO concept was to give BSA some credibility in the early days, and communities ownership of their units.

By making the program cost prohibitive to many. Most of my Scouts are lucky. medicare/medicaid in my state covers youth registration. Yes, but insurance rates, and legal costs, are driving up the prices. When oldest joined Cubs 15 years ago, it was $15/year or $27 with Boys' Life. And there was no council fees. Today the youth fee is $80, and council fees vary from $12 to $80 on top of the national fee. And there was no new member fee then, today it is $25. A new Scout in my council is charged $140 with out Scouts' Life. That is almost 10 times the cost.

As you know, I am for the victims. I know several personally. However, not everyone who was part of the lawsuit was a victim, but rather someone trying to money There are a few documented cases shown in one of the bankruptcy threads where there is a link to some of the questionable filings. Also one of the original lawyers disassociated himself from the group he help found because of some of the filing practices of the other firms. One person's mother found out he was filing, and sent a letter to the judge saying he was never in Scouting and is only trying to get money!. Personally, I th