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Actually Tigers came about in August 1981. I remember because I had to wait until 3rd grade to be a Cub Scout, and they introduced this Tiger thing for 2nd graders just as I was finally old enough to be a Cub Scout. Ticked me off to no end. Pre-1989 Tigers was 1 year, then Cubs 3 years for a total of 4. Then Cub Scouts expanded into a 3.5 year Program and Tigers was a separate 1 year program. 1995 or 1996 was when Tigers were fully incorporated into Cub Scouts and it became a 4.5 year program. I admit, I'm skeptical of Lions. I readily admit after 5 years (3 as a TCDL, 2 as a Wolf DL, 1 as a Bear DL) I was burnt out.

No, you need to go to the NC Archives and Records to hear them and read the transcripts.

I understand Beavah and desertrat77's views, and agree with them to a degree. I've heard of over the top ECOHs, but have been fortunate in that the bulk are "traditional" in that they use the troop's standard ceremony. But I admit I like having a separate ECOH. One reason is that folks from out of town and others can plan to attend. I know I invited my uncle and cousin to my ECOH, and was extremely surprised that my old SPL was able to get leave to attend my ECOH. I sent him an invite just pro forma as I didn't believe he would be able to make it. So glad he did, especially since my uncle and cousin didn't show. Yep old SPL had to roast me and do their parts as well. BEST.DARN. SURPRISE. EVER. Also, one of my Eagles specifically planned his ECOH around my vacation plans. Yes this guy waited about 8 months so that I could attend.

As you can see, lots of differences. One troop does 1 ECOH a year. It's done in conjunction with their CO's Scout Sunday and you easily get 5 to 12 Eagles at the event. It is literally standing room only as everyone, Eagles, Family Members, and congregation attend. The troop and CO pay for the food, drinks, etc. Council pays for the presentation kit. If you want your own ECOH, you are on your own. Another unit I know about also does 1 ECOH a year. They let the group of Eagles decide what they want to do prior to or after the ECOH. My buddy's Eagle class decided to "fly with the Eagles" and they got a helicopter tour of the city. One troop did absolutely nothing. I felt bad for the Eagle and his family because the family didn't know, or couldn't afford, to have food, drinks, etc. Also the troop didn't have any ceremony; just gave him the Eagle Charge and presented the medal to him. It lasted about 5-10 minutes. My troop growing up did individual ECOHs. Troop provided drinks and some refreshments. I bought the cake and programs. The troop also provided the presentation kit, your nameplate on the troop's Eagle Scout plaque, and made an Eagle Scout table top for use at COHs. I admit I used that table top to reserve my seat a time or two. Current troop has not had an Eagle in years. Hoping to have one this time next year as on Scout is pushing it. He has 5 months minimum left for Life. One of their COHs was at the local Scout camp.

One of my favorite Eagle projects was one scout organizing an oral history project of our veterans, especially WWII and Korean War vets. There's one vet I'd love to record an oral history, but a lot of what he did is still classified. He was rather upset that I discovered some info on him, but laughed when I said the report said he was CIA, when in fact he was DIA.

Did anyone else notice that the instructions for the Unit Leader Award of Merit states: The unit committee chair completes the Unit Leader Award of Merit Nomination Form on behalf of the unit committee. For Boy Scout troops, Varsity Scout teams, Venturing crews, and Sea Scout ships, the nomination must include endorsement by the senior patrol leader, team captain, crew president, or ship’s boatswain, respectively.(emphasis added) But there is no place for the youth to sign the form; they onlhy write a letter?

Why British and not Dutch, Belgian, etc? If memory serves, British Scouts served on the home front or enlisted. Scouts on the continent, especially the Dutch were the ones who served in the Resistance. See Jan van Hoof as an example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_van_Hoof

Yes, I'm hating the MB mill aspect that is now summer camp. First 2 years was out of council, and camp was good. Went to the local council camp, and it is so scheduled, it is ridiculous. Only free time activities are at night, and you gotta sign up for them in advance if you want to do it. Otherwise it's on a space available/first come first served basis. One of my scouts retook Swimming so he could get wet in the middle of the day. I wish he would have retaken Lifesaving as well, but oh well. But what got me was the instruction. On the waterfront 1 or 2 boats at a time, and everything was completed in 2 days. Kids got the MB, but had issues on a canoe trip the troop did a month later. One scout dropped Communications MB after the first day, but according to the advancement report, me met all but 2 requirements! Found that out this past Sunday. I told my son his second year "No Paperpushing MBs, have fun." And while he didn't earn a single MB at camp, he had fun and learned a lot. He eventually completed 2 of the 4 he took his second year.

Update Depending upon how you look at it, the meeting was a disaster (adult led folks) or a great learning experience (youth led folks). In a nutshell, Folks responsible for reviewing skills for camporee were not prepared. They had to add lib it. PLs and SPL were sent copies of the camporee guide, and only 1 had his copy. Few of the Scouts knew what is goign on with camporee in 4 weeks. ON A POSITVE NOTE: adults didn't step in to help. mentor yes, but the adult stepped back and chatted. One step forward. I am hoping an praying that Camporee will build these guys up. With the exception of campsite inspection and gateways, the entire camporee is patrol oriented. All events are awarding 1st - 3rd for the patrols, no troop level awards except camp inspection and gateway. Top 3 patrols will be recognized. Had one complaint about the top troop not getting recognized, but told them the patrol is the foundation of Scouting. My concern is the practice camporee date being on the calendar since January, and the new date for camporee being on the calendar since May, very few of the Scouts knew when the events were. The two mixed aged patrols only have 1/2 their members attending the practice camporee this weekend, and there is talk about merging them into one patrol for the practice, as well as for the actual camporee. I would say a step back, but in honesty it's par for the course, at the moment. Good news is that the SPL is stepping up and leading. This has a trickle down effect and the PLs are doing a little more. So it's another step forward. Baby steps.

While I agree with you, some of these things are mandated by the various states and feds. And yes, some are mandated by BSA. @SpecEdScouter Having a camp means having a guaranteed place for events like camporee, training, day camps, etc. There is a local facility that's a lot closer than the camp in my district, 5 minutes away compared to 25 minutes. The 5 minute camp is more primitive and has less faciltiies, so it's great for a lot of things. BUT we are subject to the owners. Currently they shut it down while the main facility, not the camp, undergoes renovations and construction. The camp is being used for storage.

@@SpEdScouter, Why do we need summer camp? YES WE DO! Do they need to be MB factories? No they do not. What are some aspects about summer camp? 1. FUN 2. Place to apply Scouting for a week away from it all. One week at camp is worth a year of meetings. 3. Bonding with fellow Scouts in patrol and troop. This is a big one for new Scouts as you can read about in Phrogger's post and based upon my personal experience and observations. 4. Challenges Scouts need. As I mentioned, summer camp does not have to be a MB factory. But some camps do provide challenges that Scouts need via BSA Lifeguard, COPE, and other older scout programs. Also HA activities, i.e. backpacking, kayakaing, etc are ways for older challenge themselves. I vividly remember my canoe trip in the Canadian wilderness. 5. I don't have enough time to keep going on.

When I was in the UK, one of the Finns I worked with laughed her butt off at me wearing long sleeve shirt, sweatshirt, and field jacket when it was 50-56 degrees F (10-13 degrees F) and and she was wearing shorts and a tank top. She was from Lapland in the Arctic Circle, and the temps were a nice summer day for her. I had my revenge though It got above 61degrees F (16 degrees C), and she was complaining and sweating up a storm. I told her it was a nice winter day where I came from.

I just saw this: https://voiceofscouting.org/chief-scout-executive-asks-us-serve-entire-family Looks like the top man is looking at us going coed. Going to get interesting, especially with LDS units.

1) WELCOME TO DA FORUMS! Sorry to hear it's under challenging circumstances though. I do not recommend this. I've seen young Scouts become DCs and it has not worked out as they want too much to play and do the CS activities. I strongly suggest finding another troop.

@@SpEdScouter , It can be a combination of factors. I know the council I grew up in sold the original camp because of urban encroachment and the camp was too small because property owners who use to let the Scouts tramp about sold the property and the new owners said no more. What I fin ironic is that the camp was created in the 1920s, and the closest town started expanding after the 1950s. The new neighbors began complaining about the noise, traffic, etc of having a camp as their next door neighbor. Thankfully the council purchased property that was 3+ times the size of the original camp. But I admit, I'm concerned, especially about the local camp in my district. The property around the camp is being sold off. In the past 10 years, 3 MacMansions have arisen, and a popular hiking trail that we had access to was closed off by the new property owners. And not everyone has heard that yet as it is that recent! My understanding is that a trust owns the property, so it cannot be sold. But one SE so neglected the camp, that the only reason it was able to survive was because of individual units and OA chapters investing in it and doing repairs and maintenance. Over a 10 year period, the OA chapter alone spent $10-$12,000 alone on supplies to maintain the camp. And that doesn't include all the man-hours involved, or what local units did. Under the new NCAP program, I don't know what will happen.

And that is part of the problem, people at national having little or no experience as a youth in the program coming up with rules. Also there is a lot of pressure from parents, as well as leaders too. I had a leader at camp tell me one of my scouts was wasting his time because he was taking swimming MB a second time because he wanted to swim during the middle of the day, and the only way to do that was to take Swimming MB again, or Lifesaving MB again. OK I admit I wished he would have taken Lifesaving a second time, butonly because I wanted to be an active victim on him

@@thrifty 1) WELCOME TO DA FORUMS!

True. But a lot of the demand for the BSA to go fully coed is coming from parents. If the girls, and especially their parents, demanded change, it would come. It may be slow, but it will come. And you admit there is movement in that direction. Me personally, I have mixed emotions. On one hand I know how important it for males to be by themselves and be guys. And I admit I am concerned about how the program will change. Let's face it there have been changes in the program since female SMs and ASMs have been allowed. And yes, I admit I did have a negative experience in my coed Sea Scout ship back in the day. The male Sea Scouts were forced to do things for the female members, and they did not carry their own weight. But on the other hand, I know everything else in our society is going coed. I have also met female Venturers who pulled their own weight, and even carried their brother's weight.

If we use history as a basis, then things will change. When BSA allowed female SMs and ASMs, BSA had to change how training was conducted because most, by no means all but most, women Scouters did have the outdoor skills needed for Scouting. Further none of the ladies had the experience of the Patrol Method, the foundation of Scouting. Even with today's training there is little to no training on that. My question is this: if the girls want an active outdoor program, then by don't they get GSUSA to change their program?

Your son has to make a choice: Stay with his friends and earn AOL or Move up to Boy Scouts. He cannot do both. I do not know how your pack handled the transition to the new requirements. Nor do I know how your pack handles its program. It may be that he has a month or two left, or he has 7 months minimum ahead. He has to think about it and make the decision. My son figured out last year that if he wanted to, he could skip Webelos badge since it is not longer required, and start work immediately on AOL so that he could cross over at 10.5 and go to summer camp. He eventually decided to wait it out with his friends. He'll be 11 when he becomes a Boy Scout, while his buddies are 10-10.5, but he's OK with that.

I've been waiting for that to occur for 18 years now, ever since the then SCOUTNET 2000 Director told a bunched brand new DEs that that would be happening.

Yep we got a Moriarty in the troop

Yes, I gotta learn to live with what irks me, and the "negative waves" of some folks. I gotta remember to not let the "negative waves" bring me down.

I was in the same situation: needing TCDL knots. What I was told to do is buy the DL knot and add the Tiger device to it. That is what recipients of the TCDL were told to do when the knot was abolished, and TDLs do now. Ebay is another option, but be prepared to pay for it. One is for sale at $40 or thereabouts, and another has a current bid of $11. Another option can be thrift stores. Back in the day, I was able to find all kinds of patches I needed, and traded, on used uniforms. Unfortunately that is not an option for me locally as our SCOUTREACH director has a standing order with all the local thrift stores. Good luck

Currently we have 2 Scouts that are year round; one is homeschooled so summer activities are not a problem as the family can work around them. However the other is in a private, year round school, and it does indeed affect him. This past summer, the troop had a narrow window of weeks he could attend summer camp. He was unable to do trip he wanted to go on, the AT trek, due to being back in school. Further on some late meeting nights, he had to cut it short due to homework and school. It's bad enough that his mother requires him to leave 30 minutes early whenever school is in session, but having to leave an hour early cuts into some stuff. (He lives 45 minutes one way away the troop. He's actually spends more time on the road than at meetings, but that is both His wish and his dad is willing to do whatever it takes.)