Eagle94-A1

If it was just a class, I would have no problem with it. But the adult faction wants a skills check off weekend before even considering anything else. Maybe I'm old school, but I'm a firm believe that the badge represents what the Scouts can do, not what they have done. If they have the badge they should have the skills to no only do it, but teach it. While some Scouts admit they could use some advance warning to prepare for teaching, I don't think being told "we need to check your skills before you can sign off" makes the Scouts feel like you trust them. Now I came up with a way to test

I thought The Complete Wilderness Training Manual, 2d. ed. rev. (DK Publishing, 2007) suggested a kukri? I so want a BK-21!

Please keep it coming. When we have this meeting, I want to be prepared for every naysayer. You guys have heard how my troop growing up did it, i.e. PLs, Leadership Corps members, SPL, and SPL appointed others could sign off on T-2-1 ranks up to their rank. Star, Life, and Eagle were adult signatures, usually MBCs because we didn't use blue cards. MBCs signed the book directly. This is a big deal for me. I know the Scouts, especially the older ones, are chomping at the bit. There have been 4 incidents that have me really pushing Scouts signing off Incident #1 was the guy who had mo

Ok folks, we are getting a new SM, adults were told last nite and the youth will be shortly. All the adults are going to be meeting soon, and one of the things I want to push is Youth signing off on advancement. What I'm asking for is your help. I admit I cannot think on my feet, I need to prepare when I have an "argument" (classical definition not today's meaning, although if things turn out like the last one I went to it may be today's definition). So I'm asking for every possible argument against letting youth sign off, and reasons, solutions, etc to counter that argument. I'll begin.

Tuscarora Council, NC also has a camp approx. 50 minutes from Selma, NC train station. They had a HA program 2 years ago, but not last year.

East Carolina Council may be able to help. Wilson, NC station is about 1.5 hours away, and the council has used their passenger vans to transport units from the East Carolina Scout Reservation, home of Camp Boddie (formerly known as Camp Bonner South) and the Pamlico Sea Base, to that station. Don't know if Rocky Mount, NC station is faster to the reservation, but my DE dropped off folks in Wilson.

Yes, they need to cook some things at home now. Glad when oldest took it, he had to plan a non-refrigerated menu. Glad I had a backpacking cookbook for him to use.

I know oldest had some challenges, specifically he "earned" one MB but didn't do 1 requirement. He wants to really earn it, and I got him the supplies, which was suppose to be covered by the summer camp fee. Yep, more money. And after doing canoeing last weekend, I think some of the guys didn't do all of the requirements. And those that earned Chess MB didn't finish everything, but got it. That chaps my son's hide because he has not done 1 requirement, teach someone chess using E.D.G.E., everything else has been done. Hopefully he can teach some of the new Scouts in December/January as everyon

The DAC that sat on my EBOR. He did not like the fact that A) he did not approve my project and B) it was the 4 year old paperwork that was current when I did it. He tried to do the same thing to a friend who used the then current forms instead of the new forms. Thankfully I threatened to appeal his decision, and my friend did that as well. And I agree with your last sentence.

My advice for your son to "Be Prepared" during his EBOR is to not only review the Guide to Advancement and but make sure a copy of it is with him, and I'm paranoid enough to have the passage highlighted. As you can guess, I had experience in this matter.

Great story Latin Scout. ANd I love the new Scouting Adventure requirements. My story regarding Webelos is similar. My middle son's WDL last year started on Scouting Adventure almost as soon as they became Webelos. They really pushed it, especially Patrol Method, when preparing for the council Webeloree. They made an awesome patrol flag, took a lot of pride in it, and carry it everywherestill. While they didn't win the overall pack award for camporee, the comments that made my day were: "wow they got their act together"; "are they crossing over tonight"; and "they are better than some S

Yes, some are spoon fed and do not want to take initiative. BUT, there are those who when they do take initiative are swatted down by adults who take over. Yes, they may need some guidance on thinking outside of the box, i.e. "Why can't you do what you suggested?" and "How can you adapt that game to the activity?" But I've found it's the adults who cause the problems. As BLW2 posted : "1) he knows the adults are planning and driving things, so why bother?"

We had a retired Marine MGySgt. work at my camp for over 20 years. First Year Camper director was his position, and if he signed off in your book, you MASTERED the skill. Since I didn't go to summer camp my first year as a Scout, I missed out on him then. However I ran into him for mt religious award BOR. Intimidating is an understatement. I also had the pleasure of working with him on camp staff. Great man.

I'm waiting to find out what's going on, and it's all up to my boys as to what they want to do. With new leadership comes new vision. Plus Gunship made the comment about leaving after July, and also that he wants to help get the troop that has had some problems out. Now that troop meets on the same nite as us. SWMBO was a Venturing leader once upon a time, is into camping and backpacking, and really wants the crew started. When she was asked to be an AA once before, she almost lept at the opportunity, but had family issues and couldn't. Me personally, I want top start a Sea Scout ship

Update. It's been confirmed we are getting a new SM, and it's the heir apparent. He's been ''neutral'' seeing both sides of the factions. He's in the process of arranging ALL registered adults, committee and direct contact, to have a sitdown meeting in the next 3 weeks and iron things out. Formal change will be at next COH. Going to be interesting.

IMHO, all the rules and regs attached to the various requirements are the results of lawyers, both real and "guardhouse." The article talks about the lawsuit side. I've seen once, and heard a bunch of stories on how someone got an appeal because the requirements were not clear, or misinterpreted by the adults. I don't think they will ever bring up the nights of camping. When 4 camp outs and summer camp are the bare minimum for JTE, there is a lack of knowledge at the top that "OUTING is three-fourths of ScOUTING" Heck the last edition of tjhe BS HB even had that quote,and the math that ba

I hate to say it, but talking to a troop doesn't cut it. You gotta VISIT a troop, at a meeting and go CAMPING with a troop. I know of adults who will say they are youth led, when in fact they do all of the work.

Not an EBOR, but some standard BORs I've done in the field. Long story short, one unit was having problems getting enough adults from the troop to sit. Did 2 BORs at the camporee around the fire with folks from the district committee. SM was getting frustrated with the committee, or lack thereof, and took care of his Scouts.

Col. Mitchell Paige, USMC. Actually he enlisted in the Marines before he could have the COH. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Paige One of my Eagles didn't have his ECOH, and almost didn't have an EBOR. He did the Delayed Entry Program, going to basic and being in the reserves for a year while he finished HS, and when the EBOR was convened once he returned from basic, it was discovered that it was after the after 18 EBOR deadline a council could do, and he had to appeal to national. By the time that process was done, he had his EBOR, and it was approved he went on active duty.

I know I was in "culture shock" when I worked at Kingsdown International Scout Campsite (now it's no longer a Scout camp) and Youlbury International Scout Campsite (now called an Activity Centre). BSA summer camps are outdoor merit badge schools. Quality of instruction varies, and I' sorry to say mine needs some work. I discovered that Oldest "earned" a MB that he didn't complete a requirement on that they ran out of supplies for them to complete it. Thankfully he told me what happened, and he is working on the missing requirement today since the kit is now in. I don't know why it wasn't p

WELL SAID!

Had an interesting conversation with the wife about this. One suggestion she offered that I hadn't thought of is that since it's the Older Scouts who are doing a lot of the complaining and being bored, and since the CO does want to start a Venturing Crew, and since they have been trying to get the wife to be involved with the new crew, is that I start the Venturing crew and by the time it's fully underway, oldet will be able to join. I just cannot handle the adults treating the Scouts like Cubs.

Interesting night, Talked to the incoming SM about he need for an adult meeting to go over the problem of adults interfering. I'm on beer #2.

Actually he was nominated by one scout, and seconded by another. No self nomination or adult nominations allowed. I think part of the problem is that whatever plans the Scouts do make, adults interfere. They get frustrated to the point of 'Why bother?" It's interesting in that while chatting with the SPL and another Scout about the meeting I'm "in charge of" and letting them come up with stuff to do, there was a vitality in the chat I have not seen in them for some time. My job tonite is to keep the adults out of the way. Gunship is making suggestions to improve the meeting, and I hav

Since today is the 109th anniversary of the founding of the Scouting Movement at Brownsea Island, may I give a history lesson? Brownsea was an experiment, BP wanted to test his ideas before writing them down. There were 22 Scouts divided among the Wolves, Bulls, Ravens, and CURLEWS ( ). Two patrols had 5 boys each, and two patrols had 6. Somehow BP figured out that 6 is the minimum a patrol should have. He may have realized 8 is the optimum number based upon Brownsea, or maybe other experiences, i.e. his military experience. Maybe he got the idea for 8 from the BOYS BRIGADE organization