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Due to the way they are made; the costs, the fabrics, the cut; not sure they are trying to kill it...however....as with many things in the Boys Scouts of America program....whomever is making the decisions (the uniforms in this case) is not really connected to the actual user of the uniforms. For example, why not a fabric like the Columbia PFG shirt. Those are literally designed to be breathable, designed to be short and long sleeve, etc etc. Even on the "Official BSA activity shirts, those are costly. Our troop gets the A4 dri-fit shirts each summer. With 2 logos (front chest and ful

Welcome, @EagleDad79, to scouter. If you are the IH or COR, it’s easy. Find a new CM, train him, then have a big retirement party for the old guy, thanking him for dedicated and passionate service to the Pack. If you’re the Committee Chair, it’s time to have a business cup of coffee with the COR. Anyone else, and you bring your concerns to the Committee Chair.

There are no BSA class B uniforms; there are, however, activity shirts. As much as I admire scouts who do all of their outdoor activities in ther field uniform, I've never found this a hill to die on. I've also never been thrilled with BSA's marketing material, so there's that.

That's not my problem with the routine searches. First, there is accountability. I don't want a scout leader rifling through scouts' stuff without good reason and especially not without a witness. Second, there are the basic trust issues. Unless a scout gives a reason that they can't be trusted, they should be trusted. That's the way I was with my own sons, and I would do no differently with other people's sons. That in no way means I don't think a scout leader (or parent) should never search luggage, just that it shouldn't be a routine thing. It's just basic freedom and liberty. I reall

I really don't see the connection with school bag/locker searches and a search on a scout trip. School is mandatory and a function of the government. Scouting is voluntary and not organized by the government. They are different. If I were writing some guidelines on how to search a scouts belongings, it would go something like: - two adults approach the scout and tell the Scout they have a reason to search the scout' s belongings - if the Scout objects, an immediate call is made to the parent and the scout goes home. - if the Scout agrees to the search, it is done in full

All we need now is a rubber chicken. Or does the dining hall already have that in abundant supply?

If it's in bear country, it could be. Where is the scout getting the fruity substance from? Even it's smuggled starbursts and not a vaping device, it's still not safe to have in a tent. Ditto those water flavorings they like to flavor their water with. We tell them not to bring hygiene products that smell like food, even a chap stick, because of bears. It's very hard to know where to draw the line between safety and privacy but when you're responsible for a passel of kids out in the woods somewhere, I tend to side with leaders who take the proactive approach. Just this week someone posted abou

Which is more important: 1- The physical well-being of someone in my care, should the need arise for a firearm in the backwoods. 2- My continued membership in BSA. If I lost someone or someone became injured due to a wild animal or wild humans, I would not deserve to continue as their leader/protector. BSA rules are what's irrelevant, and written by lawyers with an eye towards liability. No scout ever knew that I carried, my pack was just a little heavier.

Laws are irrelevant here. We are all volunteers in the BSA. They can revoke our membership if we violate the rules of conduct for adult leaders. If the rules saw "No guns" and you bring a gun, the BSA can terminate your status as a volunteer. It's fine that you want to debate this - but the rules are quite clear here. No guns allowed.

Illegal in 11 of the 13 I checked. But the burden of proof is on he who asserts the affirmative. I assert no more than I posted. Then, for what it's worth, there is BSA policy. No Personal Firearms at Scouting Activities The BSA is reinforcing its stance on handguns or other firearms at Scouting activities, with the open or concealed carry of handguns or other firearms. While various state laws may have authorized individual Scouters to legally carry or conceal firearms, they are NOT permitted to carry them while involved in Scouting activities outside of the shoot

So that's 13 or 14 states out of 50 where it's illegal? If that's the case, then yeah, it's legal in most states. Not taking a position on the other argument, which is whether it's advisable... If you're in a state where you are doing it legally, then the BSA can't have you arrested for violating BSA policy on the matter; they CAN, however, revoke your membership, if they want to. Maybe that's a risk worth taking in certain situations, maybe it isn't. Not going to articulate an opinion on that one.

@perdidochasSame with ours. ... I flip-flop on whether BSA uniform is CEREMONIAL or FUNCTIONAL. Sports analogy ... Football players don't wear full uniform to ceremonies. At best, maybe the jersey. Usually, suit and tie. Basketball players don't wear shiny shorts to press conferences. They usually wear street clothes. Coaches (aka adult leaders) rarely wear the team uniform. Maybe baseball. Players just don't suit up for meetings and ceremonies. The uniform is for doing the activity. Military analogy ... Most military branches separate dress and a

Not to argue with your logic, but in Ohio it is a crime to have a loaded firearm in the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle unless you have, illogically, a concealed handgun permit. Ohio Rev. Code § 2923.16(B). From what i find on line: Ditto Maine Ditto Oklahoma Ditto California except in certain areas outside municipalities. Ditto Wisconsin Ditto Connecticut except for interstate transportation across the state Ditto New Jersey with some complications Ditto new York, except for long-barreled long arms "in certain hunting scenarios" outside NYC.

My former Troop (just former because my boys aged out of it) had Activity shirts, and most boys wore them under their field uniform shirts. They wore the Field Uniform every meeting and to and while travelling. If a meeting was going to have a game involving running, etc., most scouts took of their field uniform shirts and were just in their activity shirts.

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I'd email the registrar for the council he grew up in and explain what you're looking to find out. They may or may not have records back that far. Last year I went looking for my youth records. I moved as a youth and so was in two different councils. One council had old records and found my information. The other council lost all the old records in a council merger. In both councils the person I emailed was very willing to help me out.

I ran into the same frustration. My logical engineering mind couldn’t understand how to explain the budget of a youth program dynamic of activities we couldn’t predict would occur. I took it personally. But it wasn’t personal at all. My CPA wife explained that the church has to account for all their assets and activities. The budget is a baseline to keep track of their performance. As far as they are concerned, your troop is just asset “D” on the budget list. They can’t even guess asset D’s cost to the church, so they are asking the operators of asset D. Your basic answer is Ds operation will

So Paige could get eagle by not doing much more than asking for it? She could squeeze in just before Sydney. Zing! Such poetic justice. But Paige likely is a bit more humble and probably doesn't care. More poetry. To each his, or her, own.

Lol get rid of the uniform, and National eliminates a revenue stream.

Nobody has a problem with a SM taking actions directly related to addressing safety. The original posting has zero to do with safety and all to with an over-bearing SM trying to enforce HIS policies, not the Troop's Youth Leaders' policies. That is a problem. Even if it was a health & safety issue, I firmly believe he should still have a second person there as a witness. There's no way in hell I'm rooting around anywhere a scout keeps his underwear without a second set of eyes present.

I disagree. Scout leaders may have the right to search, but actually doing it is something reserved for the rare occasion and with the scout present. Searching all the scout's stuff without them there because of what the leader saw with one or two scouts is just wrong. If I heard that before my sons joined the troop, I'd look to another troop. It's a flag that the scout leaders and the scouts have an adversarial relationship and don't trust each other. It's just not the scout model we want.

I see your C3-P0 quote and raise you

I'm not understanding this fun stuff thing over uniforms. I drive by the soccer fields and see soccer players having fun in "Uniforms". There doesn't seem to be any unrest about youth sports and uniforms. Fun being the only reason youth join Scouts is a myth. In the US, the parents are very much part of the motivation for their kids joining scouting. I have said many times that the unit must satisfy the parents if they want to keep the scouts. Of course scouting looks like fun. But lots of activities look like fun to kids. Today's youth have a lot of choices and and they are fickle. So th

We're doomed.