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  1. We had a member here, someone with a real PhD that member looked at the curriculum for a doctorate of commissioner service, and laughed. ... the project usually wasn’t even worthy of an undergrad end of course term paper in someone’s own university major. This Scouter was then on a tenure track hiring committee. A candidate had actually placed DCS on his CV. He did get called for an interview. According to the member, he threw up in the hallway after leaving the room. Let’s just say they went full throttle on him. Lets just say that CCS is supplemental training, and leave it there.
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    OA Camping Qualifications

    Part of it is Leave No Trace. It discourages fire rings, clearing to mineral earth, using downfall wood for fires, ad infinitum. When you go to Philmont, you WILL use gas or solid fuel compact stoves. It’s not negotiable anymore. As far as plastic dining gear goes, I had a plastic mug, plate, and fork/spoon even in the 60s. It was called “manage the weight on your back.”
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    What's in a name?

    Your Council, IMO, is out of compliance with #33008, The Guide to Advancement. I’m glad I live where I do.
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    What's in a name?

    There is ONE board of review for Eagle. It comes after the requirements are complete, after the project is done, and after the local council had administratively verified the applicant as eligible. So, what is this about an initial BOR?
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    Scout to Merit Badge Counselor Ratio

    I’d report this event to the local council Advancement chair and if applicable, the host council Advancement chair. What is described is simply not acceptable. At an out of district event once, I was asked to “teach” and sign off on a MB in two hours. I asked coordinator if he was nuts. He told me this was what they promised the youth. i told him goodbye.
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    OA Camping Qualifications

    Did the two young men pitch their own tent and sleep as Scouts? Did they assist with camp cooking or cleaning, or help the Pack do things? If yes, I’d count it. If they were bumps on a log, I’d pass. It’s your call as SM.
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    Multiple Bobcat Ceremonies

    My Bobcat is the only one I remember, but I remember touring the Chevrolet factory, the railroad shops, the...😀
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    What's in a name?

    Did you post this on bookface in the WB group?
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    What's in a name?

    What the devil is this addition to the requirements of “an initial board of review”? You do have a copy of the Guide to Advancement, yes?
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    Multiple Bobcat Ceremonies

    This is the time when I wish for the Bronze Bobcat pin. My cub master, back in 1964,made me and a couple others recite the Promise, the Law of the Pack, and then gave us, through our moms and dads, our bobcat pins, to be worn upside down. Time: 5 minutes.
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    Scouts BSA Handbook for Girls?

    Anatomical differences, that are useful to know in field sanitation, for starters.
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    Scouts BSA Handbook for Girls?

    That would be reasonable.
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    Committee Chair Leaving

    Moderator note Moving this to Cub Scouting.
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    Tribe Mic-O-Say 2019 Winter Conclave

    My Tribal Name is Warrior Freedom’s Defender. I entered the Heart of America Council (H Roe Bartle Scout Reservation) branch of the Tribe. The other branch is the Pony Express Council, Camp Geiger. I know one decision making member of the Geiger Branch. At this time, he is not talking about anything. I suspect the first priority is to figure out the issues gender integration will bring.
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    As we approach 1 Feb 19...

    Has the National Committee issued guidance on the conduct of ceremonies including youth women? My specific question is to regalia for youth members: Will there be a requirement to put a shirt on for boys, since when we have girls joining C Teams in a year or two, they will have to be shirted...
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    Wood Badge and Part C

    Most Scout camps are pretty easy to walk about. Medications to control your heart work really well. Most of the big brand name meds ... Toprol, Lipitor, have generics now. Talk to a physician or CNP.
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    Scout Mastership at the University of Virginia

    Moderator Note: This is not advertising, it’s a link to a blog article on the history of Scouter training.
  18. I had a pretty good network, so I sought diversity of thought and attended at the council 40 miles away.
  19. First, a lot of people need to take Troop Committee Challenge, or whatever National is calling it this week. Committees are not democratic bodies, they are consensus or chairman’s decision bodies, acting on program needs the PLC and the SM present. Folks who want to sit in on committee meetings? Sign them up! You’ll have more YP trained adults that way. As to the boat... if the troop isnt on a lake in a year round boating environment, I’d say sell it. It’s an expensive tool for limited use.
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    Linked Troops sharing a website, unit number

    I forget if my son learned web design in the 7th or 8th grades, but around here it’s middle school stuff.
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    Out of control scout master

    Welcome to the forums. First, I hope you are trained. 🙂. If not, training always helps understand things. There are three people who need to know about this: - First is the Committee Chair. He or she is the chief admin officer of the Pack, just as the Cubmaster is the operating officer responsible for program. - Second is the Chartered Organization Representative. He or she represents the interests of First Church of Anytown, the actual licensee of Scouting (the charter) for Pack 123. - Last is the Executive Officer of the Chartered Partner. Normally, most Scouting decisions stop at the COR, but now and then the decisions reach up to the Executive. As far as what happened, I presume you did nothing to provoke this matter. If that’s true, then go have a quiet cup of coffee, first with the chair, then working your way up . If something you said or did was a provocation, then take a moment to reflect on the matter. We are all volunteers, and mutual respect is essential . I wish you well
  22. Two comments: I took WB in another Council. I grew my network as a result. If you've had executive leadership and management training (such as you were/are a career member of the Armed Forces), WB is a useful review of well plowed ground. If you've not had such training, it's a good introduction To those who say it does not support the unit program, I respectfully disagree. The Patrol does have to get together and decide how it's going to execute the campout. We made decisions and we got things done at our intra course patrol meetings.
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    Eagle Board of Review (Appeal)

    First, congratulations to the young man. Second, it sounds like a District or Council Advancement Chair heard about what was going on and simply made an executive decision ... saving himself the record-keeping of an appeal. It may not be perfect to Hoyle, but it's good enough. Third, from the GTA (format only modified) 8.0.1.5 After the Review If the members agree a Scout is ready to advance, he is called in and congratulated. The board of review date—not that of a subsequent court of honor—becomes the rank’s effective date. If a board does not approve, the candidate must be so informed and told what he can do to improve. Most Scouts accept responsibility for their behavior or for not completing requirements properly. If it is thought that a Scout, before his 18th birthday, can benefit from an opportunity to properly complete the requirements, the board may adjourn and reconvene at a later date. If the candidate agrees to this, then if possible, the same members should reassemble. If he does not agree, then the board must make its decision at that point. In any case, a follow-up letter must be promptly sent to a Scout who is turned down. A copy of the letter should also be sent to the council’s designated appeals coordinator. The letter must include actions advised that may lead to advancement, and also an explanation of appeal procedures. (See “Appealing a Decision,”8.0.4.0, or—(omitted)) The council must keep a copy of the letter. After any board of review, the unit leader is informed of the decision Fourth, in my opinion, the Board, having denied advancement, needed to have stated to the Scout that he would receive a business letter within 72 hours (my number for promptness)
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    Juvenile Offenses and Ethics

    As others have said, you cannot deny a Scoutmaster Conference. As others have implied, Scout Spirit is living the Scout Oath and Law in your daily life. This young man needs some hard questions: - How did doing what you've done demonstrate your TRUSTWORTHINESS? - How did doing what you've done demonstrate your OBEDIENCE? - How did doing what you've done demonstrate your being MENTALLY AWAKE? - How did doing what you've done demonstrate your being MORALLY STRAIGHT? I don't know how your Council does Eagle Boards, so, once you've finished the SM Conference, I'd call your District Advancement Chair. I'd send him/her a business letter, citing the young man's deficiencies on the matters above. I'd discuss the fact you are unable to sign off on Scout Spirit. I'd conclude the letter with "I cannot, in good conscience, recommend ___ _____ for an Eagle Board of Review. He will have to demand it of you on his own." I wish you well, I hope you close the loop with us when this episode is over.
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    Adult Training News

    First, this will only be in Open Discussion, Program for a week, then I’ll move it to the WB and Adult Leaser Training Forum. Second, on topic responses only, please. If you have incomplete training courses at my scouting, you have until 31 Dec to finish them. National is rolling out new versions, and incomplete will fall in the bit bucket. Heres the link https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2018/12/06/why-your-partially-completed-position-specific-training-wont-carry-over-into-2019/
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