MattR Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 I'm just curious, but, for the survivors, has talking helped? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle1970 Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 1 hour ago, MattR said: I'm just curious, but, for the survivors, has talking helped? It has not helped me. And the more this case has reopened the memory, the worse it has become. I'm in a SOL state, can't prosecute my monster or sue anybody. There might be finality when the case is over. Knowing there is nothing more I can do, there is no other path. Knowing my abuser will face no penalty leaves me somber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThenNow Posted June 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 3, 2022 4 hours ago, skeptic said: ripping off the scabs and bringing it all back might be worse than leaving it alone and focusing onl the present to keep it from happening again. No easy answers, and this post seems to suggest that, as have a couple of others on here that are survivors. Definitely not easy. There's one "benefit" to all of this that is seldom mentioned and then only by survivors. I guess that's as it should be. In addition to the prospect of (a potentially wee amount of money), large steps to improve YP including survivors on at the table, a measure of public accountability and acknowledgement, hopefully organizational shakeup and changes at the top, getting clarity on what LCs and COs are and their shared liability, and the prospect of healing and some closure, there is something profound. Namely, we now have the first sorta public band of Scouting child sexual abuse brothers and sisters. Without this horror of a process, that would not have occurred. Sad, but true. I will go forward with friendships I pray will last a lifetime. I also met some no so bad Scouters along the way who helped me understand more about were the heart of Scouting beats with some vision and purity. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post johnsch322 Posted June 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 3, 2022 1 hour ago, ThenNow said: Definitely not easy. 1 hour ago, ThenNow said: we now have the first sorta public band of Scouting child sexual abuse brothers and sisters. Without this horror of a process, that would not have occurred. Sad, but true. I will go forward with friendships I pray will last a lifetime. Amen to these thoughts. For over 50 years I believed I was the only victim but now I know I am a strong survivor and I have other survivors to lean on when I need them. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1980Scouter Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 (edited) I think the judge is trying to determine a plan that will stand up to appeals. I feel that the plan will be BSA only, with LC and CO to be decided locally. There is no way this plan will pass appeals with third party releases. The judge is taking all this in from other similar cases and realizing this may be the most important case of her career. Edited June 4, 2022 by 1980Scouter Typo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post clbkbx Posted June 4, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2022 15 hours ago, Eagle1970 said: There might be finality when the case is over. I hope you find some peace. For me, the start of the bankruptcy and having to address the abuse again was difficult. But, I went back to therapy and found some other people with similar experiences (thanks, all). That has overall been positive. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThenNow Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 How many days out from the conclusion of the trial are we at this point? All I know is I have a Rip Van Winkle beard and a nasty crick in my neck. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle1993 Posted June 6, 2022 Author Share Posted June 6, 2022 1 hour ago, ThenNow said: How many days out from the conclusion of the trial are we at this point? All I know is I have a Rip Van Winkle beard and a nasty crick in my neck. 53 days since the hearing closed How are we to read the tea leaves where there is no tea nor leaves. I took a look at some of her past rulings ... and her approvals seemed to come fast (days/weeks after the hearing). I did see she rejected the Vivus plan but kept the record open to avoid killing the plan. Then after some additional work from the DOJ and others, she approved the plan a month later. Who knows ... but 53+ days is a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThenNow Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 19 minutes ago, Eagle1993 said: Who knows ... but 53+ days is a long time. What’s the Chapter 11 record? We might as well set another while we’re at it, eh? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle1970 Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 Just wondering about this. I have seen several articles lately about LC owned camps being worth $10 Billion, apparently according to Kosnoff. My obvious question is why the LC contribution is so much lower than that. https://www.stltoday.com/news/national/bankrupt-boy-scouts-may-have-10-billion-in-land-and-developers-want-it/article_bfd254e3-6517-5695-b12f-db2fe5b79029.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred8033 Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Eagle1970 said: Just wondering about this. I have seen several articles lately about LC owned camps being worth $10 Billion, apparently according to Kosnoff. My obvious question is why the LC contribution is so much lower than that. https://www.stltoday.com/news/national/bankrupt-boy-scouts-may-have-10-billion-in-land-and-developers-want-it/article_bfd254e3-6517-5695-b12f-db2fe5b79029.html I've seen these too. My paranoia says ... is it an attempt to subvert the settlement? It would be interesting to see if these articles have a common root, as it smells like another manipulation of the legal process. On the flip side ... the BSA bankruptcy news has been quiet. It could be a simple effort to keep the story alive until the decision. Edited June 8, 2022 by fred8033 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tron Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Eagle1970 said: Just wondering about this. I have seen several articles lately about LC owned camps being worth $10 Billion, apparently according to Kosnoff. My obvious question is why the LC contribution is so much lower than that. https://www.stltoday.com/news/national/bankrupt-boy-scouts-may-have-10-billion-in-land-and-developers-want-it/article_bfd254e3-6517-5695-b12f-db2fe5b79029.html Not sure how accurate that is. With BSA in this lawsuit there might be an emphasis to overestimate the value of the lands owned. Additionally, until you look into the deeds and land grants you really don't know what the BSA really owns, or owns and has the right to sell. I've seen land grants owned by non-profits where the land was donated with clauses that if the non-profit attempts to sell/liquidate that the land ownership reverts back to the decedents of the donators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeptic Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tron said: Not sure how accurate that is. With BSA in this lawsuit there might be an emphasis to overestimate the value of the lands owned. Additionally, until you look into the deeds and land grants you really don't know what the BSA really owns, or owns and has the right to sell. I've seen land grants owned by non-profits where the land was donated with clauses that if the non-profit attempts to sell/liquidate that the land ownership reverts back to the decedents of the donators. The answer is fairly simple; Kasnoff . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsch322 Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 44 minutes ago, skeptic said: The answer is fairly simple; Kasnoff . Why is the answer Kosnoff when he did not write the article nor was he quoted in the article? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeptic Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, johnsch322 said: Why is the answer Kosnoff when he did not write the article nor was he quoted in the article? "Just wondering about this. I have seen several articles lately about LC owned camps being worth $10 Billion, apparently according to Kosnoff." And he is NOT the champion of the people some seem to think, as should be obvious from some of his actions and his meddling with parts of the procedure and being warned by the judge. I suspect you actually know this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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