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  1. 18 Eagle required MBs can be done fully/nearly fully indoor while 4 (cooking, camping, hiking and cycling) have substantial outdoor requirements. BSA lost me on "scouting is outdoors" when they added Citizenship in Society merit badge. Most of my Eagle Scouts have said Wilderness Survival should be Eagle Required but yet BSA went with another discuss/research/report type badge. In addition, my Troop was the only one to camp outdoors during our recent district's Klondike. In the past the Patrols camping outdoors would be awarded more points...not this year. In fact, the Patrols who did
  2. To start, from what I read of the requirements, it's almost entirely based on "diversity" and "equality." Now, while I agree that no one should say offensive terms, such as racial slurs, body shaming, poking fun at disabled people, etc., I don't think we need a merit badge on it. This sort of thing is already covered by the scout law with things such as Kind, Courteous, Reverent, Friendly, and Clean. The ENTIRE POINT of Scouting is to promote good citizenship! The three original Citizenship merit badges also account for every other aspect of the "Citizenship in Society" merit badge.
  3. I first heard it when Citizenship in Society came out in draft form. I don’t feel out of touch, but at 47, it didn’t make its way into my lexicon until recently. With many feeling they don’t want to get involved or that something is none of their business, it is a useful term to name what it means to stand for what is right.
  4. Not sure about your references to BSA activities. It’s a big country. Some district somewhere is bound to be doing something that some scouter somewhere else will complain about. All I know … My Eagle scouts who took Citizenship in Society MB told me that it was an enjoyable experience. The minority scouters whom I’ve met are awesome. The ones who volunteer in underserved communities need our help. Making that happen is very very hard. I grew up among klansman wannabes. Comparing notes with older cousins later in life, I realized that mine was a novel phenomenon. Having, in the
  5. With the emphasis on the Citizenship in Society MB, as well as the struggles to find membership in small units, the comment made regarding Coed units is important. I hope that National will recognize that as something needed, while still allowing separate units if they so choose. Our unit has struggled for years due to location and population changes, and we tried to generate a girl unit alone, but it folded fairly soon. We have more girls in our connect pack than boys, and they "want" to join the troop, as it is, but as a patrol. Personally, I think that is the best avenue to use going fo
  6. Hi All. This question is not about the merit badge itself, it's about total number of merit badges needed for each rank. We use Troopmaster software, so here's where there's a little confusion on my part, and I can't quite seem to find the info I need. My 'Scouts BSA Requirements' book is from 2020, so I should probably splurge on the new edition. Anyway, for Star, a scout needs six MB's total, with four of those being Eagle required. For Life, a scout needs an additional 5 MB's, with three of those being Eagle required. Both ranks combined - 11 MB's, 7 of them Eagle. I have
  7. Completed 2 Eagle Boards last night. The advancement chair was updating Scoutbook, 1 went fine, the other advised they needed Cit in the Society. Checked some other Scouts and it is showing now as required The date is supposed to be 6/1 or 7/1
  8. Has anyone actually led Scouts through this merit badge? What worked, what didn't, and what suggestions do you have? It's Eagle required in the second half of the year, so we need to figure out how to do it.
  9. Just back from Summer Camp. Had a great discussion with a Scouter well-plugged into his council. He was asked by the SE to participate in a "soft release" of Citizenship in Society Merit Badge. SE gave no information other than that... Anyone out there have more intel??
  10. It was only a matter of time before the pot was stirred again 😛 BTW, slide 34: 15. How will you make sure that the merit badge is achieving its objectives? Like all BSA programs, we will continuously evaluate and improve the Citizenship in Society merit badge based on feedback shared by those within the Scouting program. Anybody been asked for any feedback? Anyone see an avenue mentioned in the slide show to provide feedback? https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/diversity_equity_and_inclusion/Citizenship-in-Society-Merit-Badge-Counselor-Guide-2021.pdf P.S. They d
  11. There are many who cannot distinguish between the two. Ideology often runs deep into our Scouting experiences here in the US. This (for example) was the source of much of the pushback against the genesis of the Citizenship in Society Merit Badge. And that pushback caused BSA to rewrite (thankfully) many of the originally released requirements.
  12. Recently, I can assure you there are Scouts that need a refresher in not being jerks. Citizenship in Society is exactly what they need. After the way some of their parents have behaved this week, I kinda see where they get it though,.
  13. Citizenship in Society has been Eagle required for a full year now. I have conducted multiple small group sessions with scouts from multiple troops, and have not yet seen anyone who decided to leave rather than earn the MB.
  14. Mixing multiple topics ... Interesting ... I'm not a DEI fan either. The last training I saw was drastically watered down, but it is very much about political indoctrination. The good in the badge was already everywhere in scouting. The rest crosses the line into politics. Always thought scouting explicitly taught good citizenship and specifically inclusiveness. All are welcome. ... The issue was scouting had trouble getting people to show-up when invited. Specifically, scouting always had trouble recruiting from poorer families or those who's heritage did not in
  15. To me the irony is the BSA already has the answer with Citizenship in the Community in particular and community service projects in general. Lurching for popular remedies like "Citizenship in Society" just introduces more boring adult "requirements" while taking our eyes off the ball where focus needs to be: in our local communities. Indeed author Scott Galloway literally cites BSA membership as a metric in his book "A Nation Adrift" where he makes the point that what's needed is "Participation on a Community Level" at 6:40 in this clip: https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2022/10/01/smr-gal
  16. Another thing is, the primary difference between the other three and CIS is the others force you to go searching for outside resources, such as a public meeting, rather than sitting around and talking about your personal opinion. A good citizen understands that unless someone's Constitutional rights are being inhibited, their opinion is just that; theirs. Others may agree with you, and you are allowed to voice that opinion, but unless a Constitutional right is being infringed, nothing needs to be done. That's another thing too; the other three merit badges, or at least community and
  17. Looks solid, make sure you get signed up for those training courses. I don't know about the rest of you but my local council is being a little weird about the new Citizenship in Society MB; I wish they vetted every MBC for every MB as rigorously as they did my cohort for the Citizenship in Society MB. Sign up for that LNT training as well, for me it was a $40 course to be considered a trained LNT trainer for Scouts.
  18. Lol, thanks! No, just a jack of all trades, master of none. And lots of different experiences in life, Scouting, and the military. Here are an average 23 that most Scouters could (or should be able to) do without specialized training or being a professional in some field: (NOTE to Scouters...if you cannot go through the requirements for any of these and be able to counsel a Scout, please consider "earning" these merit badges on your own. Yes, you could take at least one merit badge class at Summer Camp or elsewhere! You'll learn a LOT and have some fun, too. They'll make you a b
  19. I dont disagree that experiences are important to the goals of the scouting movement, but we are complaining about only 5/6 of the required merit badges 21 being book learning based. This thread continues to feel like people are complaining about times for changing when that continues to happen for any organization. Any one with kids understand we need to have scouts ready to learn/ survive in a more diverse environment with people from different backgrounds and opinions then there own. This isn't just race, it is even just economic or religious background. That is all the evil citizens
  20. Citizenship in Society is my daughter's favorite merit badge that she has earned. It's a subject matter she is passionate about. The merit badge counselor invited me to sit in on their session (I asked my daughter if it would be okay with her). When the counselor puts a session together for scouts, she ensures there is sufficient diversity within the group to have meaningful discussion, so that everyone is able to get out of it more than they put in. I was pleasantly surprised by the thoughtful discussion, but at the same time you could see a thoughtfulness difference and a participation diffe
  21. https://www.scouter.com/search/?&q=Citizenship in society&search_and_or=and&search_in=titles
  22. Could you add in "Antifa" into your comments? I almost have OAN BINGO! The DEI & Citizenship in Society MB are very mild. They are not on any sort of fringe of political stances. The early release of C in S did have some concerning content, but that was removed. So far, I see no impact to day to day operations of any unit from DEI. The biggest impact I have seen is council JTE which was actually created back in 2019 (prior to DEI). So, for 1 line item in JTE, the "goal", at the council level, is to recruit your minority ethnicity at least 45% as well as you do the
  23. Anyone attending this in GNYC?? This merit badge counselor training will be required to offer the Citizenship in Society merit badge in the Greater New York Councils. Join us this Saturday, Oct 30th, 12-4 pm at our Council headquarters. Space is limited, registration is required. If you are not able to attend, future training will be offered. This merit badge will be launched on Nov 1, 2021, and we need your help in helping our scouts earn this merit badge. Citizenship in Society will be Eagle-required by July 1, 2022. To inquire for additional details, please reach out to the GNYC DE
  24. A scout turned in a blue card to a MBC for the newly Eagle required Citizenship in Society Merit Badge with a requirement which reads "with your parents permission, have a conversation with someone with a different trait." Their parent specifically would not give permission "due to their beliefs." The kid is almost exactly a month from aging out, so this could be a legitimate thing (I've had many conversations with the dad), or this could just be an attempt to finish up one of his last ER MB before the deadline. Lots of stuff at play, but I guess if we put any speculation on mo
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