Jameson76

Well. When you want what you want, just keep moving the goal posts until the organization accedes to your demands.

Wow...I guess it is all about her. Guess the whole all about the journey thing is not in her wheelhouse. She has a path to earn the Eagle Scout rank, but feels that is not the way she should earn (be awarded??) the rank. She want to be "recognized immediately, and not asked to re-do years of work as Scouts BSA has suggested" No. You will be asked to do the work as a registered Scout under the advancement guidelines as every registered Boy Scout (now Scouts BSA) participant has done and will do. Nothing more and (note this) nothing less.

Absolutely. Youth are free to learn all they would like in whatever forum they may want. For rank requirement from the time the youth is eligible to join, they need to follow all the requirements. Getting awarded ranks from the now Scouts BSA organization within the BSA will (should??) require them to follow all time and process needs.

I am not advocating preventing anyone from learning anything. What a small group of the newly joined members (one in particular) want to do is get the recognition from their time as they were tagging along with relatives. They basically want to be awarded ranks from the time before they joined the now Scouts BSA program. While they no doubt benefited from their experience, they were not in fact members of the organization. If they do join, they will need to adhere to all advancement guidelines, including time between ranks, camping nights as a member, merit badges requirements as a member, and holding positions of responsibility as a member. No life experience cutting of the corners. Use the extension, if you want to be part of the program, you need to be a part of the whole program. All the rules and regulations, not just the ones you sort of feel like adhering to.

@qwazse Can you explain why you would want to let someone who was not a member of the Scout organization earn ranks within the Scout organization for their life experiences?

Best method is a white gas type stove and you can buy gas on the trail. Pound for pound best burn and temp ratio. We have had cash with us to buy gas. For the crews we send, our troop goes every two years (except when Philmont burns), past practice has been to take two identical stoves. Lately been using the MSR ones, though the Optimus ones have been successful. With identical ones you basically use one and the other is the backup. And you will probably need a backup. Worst case the crew can cannabalize and get a working stove. Not a bad idea to take a small amount of parts. We take 1 fuel canister for each and also 1 spare fuel tank. There have been occurrences where the canister got kicked over and fuel was lost. Good to the spare tank.

Thought with all the 911 systems everyone had hard addresses now An address tied to a specific geographic spot

At high level good. But may want to keep it simple

This will be an interesting test One would hope that with the extension the BSA has given the opportunity. If life (little L) experience becomes the standard, then it opens a tremendous can of worms. Why can't any camping nights count for advancement, not just those with a troop?? Why do you have to do your project when you are a Life Scout, why not now?? Prerequisites are for losers, I did something similar and mom signed off....

The emphasis on Family Scouting. Not that it is for Cubs, but the whole Family can take part in all aspects of the program. While at the front line that is not actually how it should work, not sure how those expectations may be managed. Families in Cubs is fine to a point. Families in the patrol method on outings is a disaster

I think you are correct for right now globally. Yet at the same time I think fundamentally the program has changed because Girls are joining and the program name has changed. Yes as we all have noted Youth are in charge, we teach leadership, they become self reliant. While that is the case the addition of the young ladies will change things, not sure if that will be positive, negative, or imperceivable, there will be changes. If you study organizational dynamics the addition of new elements into an organization will cause change. Actually I am more concerned with the "Family" emphasis being put in the forefront and what that expectation will lead to for the Boy Scout aged program.

We also do the recognition at the time of passing the BOR. Same for giving them a pin and card at the COH. Sidenote is we meet outside and make sure we pick up patches after the meeting. Someone may have to front the troop for some rank patches. You can probably do some quick math and figure out what is needed. Ex if you have 10 new Scouts, you will need 10 Scout / Tenderfoot / Second Class / First Class. Rank patches (from BSA supply site) seem to be about $2. This would be $80 as seed money. Maybe in the first year that can be recouped with dues etc.

Trying to ignore the whole "Scout Me In; Family Scouting is the BEST; the attitude that the last 109 years was subpar or somehow as the Boy Scouts did not allow girls; and the fact that as long as we're at it let's toss out the name Boy Scouts and become Scouts BSA. The name change of the program for the youth ages 11 -17; hey Girls let's join the Boy Scouts...BSA, wait we're gonna change the name now... I trust the Girl troops work out well. Just want to continue to run the troop, go camping, build self reliant Boy Scouts. While it's neat that Girls are joining, let's not forget the vast number of Boys that are already members.

Troop always brings a sturdy cornhole game, the boys organize tournaments. Decks of cards are good also. The one we bring is one a leader made, 2 x 4 frame and at least 1/2" plywood deck. It can in fact support a Boy Scout standing on it (though we do discourage that). Hard part was finding bags that would stand up. Found some on-line made of sail cloth that seem to stand up

Your post was that you must notify the District or Council of any disciplinary action That's where I got it. If you are now indicating there are qualifiers that make make more sense

That just seems to be an incredibly broad and overreaching statement If two Boy Scouts have a disagreement over some aspect of an outing and we counsel them, send them to their hammocks for 30 minutes to cool off, the unit has to notify District and Council? If you have a Boy Scout that will not cooperate with the youth leadership, after a conference with the SM, decision is made to call parents to come get him, the unit has to notify District and Council? If you have a Scout being careless with knife on an outing so an ASM takes the knife, the unit has to notify District and Council? The requirement (note this one is not in GTSS) that you must notify District and Council of any disciplinary actions taken by the troop to a scout in writing from the council and is somehow agreed to by the units and enforced by the council? Are there disciplinary action notification commissioners roving about everywhere?

My hiking boots with the fish in the heels are BACK!!!

Key is to keep them engaged while also letting them have some space. Our troop runs multi age patrols. They cook / work within the patrol on activities but the troop sort of self segregates for camping / hammocking / tenting. Also if you are on a campout as an SPL / JASM / Eagle Scout you can come eat with the adult group For activities this past weekend we had the winter trip, several hours riding to the coast. The older group rode in one car, led the setup for the troop, were in charge of the activities. When we were coming back from some activities the older group stopped at one place and did some things not the whole troop did. As they were older, seemed appropriate and they enjoyed the trust and freedom. As leaders we direct the younger scouts to them, also in our unit adults do not sign off on any TF / 2nd / 1st class requirements. The scouts have to sit down with a Life or Eagle and have a conversation or demonstrate their accomplishments. There are 1 or 2 that specifically call out "present yourself to your leader"...we do those Let them have FUN, let them be older, let them be responsible; they will continue to come to meetings and events as long as they events are engaging.

Do you have any rails to trails in your area? Those can facilitate longer "road" rides without worrying too much about traffic. We do a weekend campout at one near us (start is less than 1 hour away). Over the years we have ridden in sections, The scouts ride lengths of 25 to 50 miles in a day. An out and back can work really well, save the time and trouble of shuttles. Once they did 70 miles for the weekend. We have looked at Mt Biking, there is a state park about 45 minutes from us that has a 9 - 10 mile loop, still developing that one. Scouts need helmets. Some additional gear for Mt Biking. Have a some chase bikes with first aid and repair tools.

That is really the key, Boy Scouts having fun, enjoying the experience, and the youth looking forward to the next thing. You want to have a successful troop, make sure the CUSTOMERS (your Boy Scouts) are the main focus of what the unit does. If you can meet their needs, make sure the Boy Scouts have time to be (sometimes) stupid younger people, and be in charge of their own experience, then you will be successful The main aims of scouting are character development, citizenship training, and personal fitness; these matter very little if you do not have actual scouts in attendance to grow towards those aims

Yes - That is how the DE and FD and SE are in fact judged, number increases. Your son in this example is the easiest way to pump up the numbers..."dual" enrollment. That's two members for the price of one. Yes there are shenanigans with the membership numbers. Sadly rather than focus on building good units with a fun and quality program, which will generate growth and membership in the long term, they want the numbers NOW, so sign them up NOW.

They literally do not have a vote. What they want is irrelevant. What the CO / COR / CC want is relevant

Would need to know what if anything the Council Training committee actually accomplished OR was it just a check the box committee (yep we met). What is the charter of the group? What are their goals? What have they implemented or improved last 3 / 5 /7 years. What do they actually do that helps the scouting program at the unit level?

All these years of training classes gives these folks who want to be commissioners something to do...instead of you know....commissioner stuff The commissioner program is great in the abstract. The actual process of a commissioner doing some action to support youth programming at the unit level is often not there. I have worked with 6 different units in 2 different councils. In my 30 plus years on adult leadership I think I have seen a commissioner twice actually in the wild (you know at a unit). I have seen many of them at council events, camps, etc hanging out...commissioning (I guess that is a verb) Sort of like with fundraising...Do we have commissioners so we have good Scout Troops OR do we have Scout troops so we have commissioners

Interesting comment. It is an Eagle Board of Review, not an Eagle Board of Inquisition. The EBOR should be an opportunity to have an Eagle Scout to talk about himself, talk about how Scouting has been a benefit to him, talk about what merit badges he liked, how Scouting will help him in life and yes a review of the project. Not what screws were used or some other inane detail. A discussion on what went right, what was a challenge, what you learned (good and bad), general impression of the project, who helped and advised, etc etc Also as a leader in the troop great opportunity for feedback on why they joined Boy Scouts, why they stayed in Boy Scouts, what the troop may be doing right, and what the troop could be doing better. If an Eagle board is 30 - 45 minute discussion on the project, which is actually a small part of the overall journey, they are doing it wrong.