Jameson76

Adults not ready to make the transition from parent to leader

I wonder if there is more to the story? Trail looks to be only less than 2 miles from 1 parking area and less than 3 miles from another. Not discounting dehydration that can come on quickly, Here is a map of the park https://d2umhuunwbec1r.cloudfront.net/gallery/0004/0010/27F8D231CC7F4A9CB199737FE780E8D6/PIPE_ParkMap_Spring_2019_FINAL_01.pdf

That is so true....I could easily see a return to the past where adults only approved project proposals with multi-page descriptions and detailed plans and detailed cost and .... Had a sad discussion with one Scout from another troop on his project. The troop approver ONLY wanted CAD type drawings, no hand ones, no sketches from excel, etc. The Scout was building some shelves or cabinets. He wanted nailing diagrams, then cut sheets, etc. Poor guy had submitted his project multiple times. Most issues I see and hear about the workbook, and I work with 12 - 15 Scouts per year from our troop, deal not with the content or layout, it deals with the PFD document and how hard it is to work with. As a document (generic term) it is good. Easy to follow, keeps everyone on track. The file format is lacking

The level of complaining if there are not good hammocking trees is epic when we camp. Literally there is one area we have not returned to due to lack of hammock trees. On most outings (and we camp 35 - 40 Scouts) it runs about 80% hammock Hard part is judging the age of the trees to make sure they are compliant with various age issues, no more than 2 years apart and whatnot. Once you cut them down and count rings, tough to use for hammocks

Hammocks. That's the only solution...hammocks

Annually for summer we do a summer activity shirt. Same chest design, but the back has summer camps and HA that the troop is doing Some colors over the last few years Burgundy Grey Black Texas Orange Navy Scarlett Forest Green Red Royal Blue After the scouts have been in a few years nice to see the different colors at activities. The leaders seem to have stacks of different colors. As for the gentle blending in aesthetic mentioned, that may work if you and a friend or two are out in the wilderness. You put 40 Scouts out on an outing, the blending in goes out the window

Got a scout wearing a patch from one of the military branches on his uniform, apparently granddad was in the service, WW2, and he is very proud of that, his granddad, and his service. Wears it under the US flag... We took the same path, Scout is very active and loves Scouting, whatever (within reason) brings them to the table regularly

Folks arguing and debating the guides to uniform and what should and should not be worn (let's get a red epaulette thread fired up) is truly the definition of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Basically as @Double Eagle advised, we've got bigger fish to fry Wear the pin. Enjoy

So...there are many entities within the BSA. National (National and Regions) and then the Councils. The suits are against BSA National (I believe), though likely the local councils were named in the suits. Or, if the lawyers get enough clients "will" be named in the suits. With business type bankruptcy, and assuming Chapter 11 for reorganization and not Chapter 7 liquidation. With Chapter 11 one of the first steps is to secure DIP (Debtor in Possession) financing so that National BSA can continue operations. To be sure, not clear how Chapter 11 would effect the assets of the Boy Scouts. Specifically Intellectual Property (Name BSA, ranks, images, Eagle Scout name, etc), also physical properties such as Philmont, Summit, and to some degree Northern Tier and Seabase. I think more of the 2 latter HA bases may be leased, but could be wrong on that. The unknown will be the ripple effect if National BSA does go the bankruptcy route. Will that cause local councils to go that route to protect their assets. Council offices, camps, etc. Whatever the course, will be messy.

Anderson plans to file multiple lawsuits against the Boy Scouts on behalf of the victims and demands the organization hand over their files, including names of those accused of abuse I thought the files were already out in a searchable database as a result of several previous lawsuit. Wow - these guys are definitely looking for more clients - here is one from New York attorney. They even list names from the files. They seem to be casting a wide net for anyone else. https://newyorksexabuseattorneys.com/boy-scout-files/?gclid=CjwKCAjw7_rlBRBaEiwAc23rhthUii8jw1NnVhlr9KfGHsoB_K_9EyafV8eyx7caVCP_xnX-CixVVhoCQVgQAvD_BwE Here is the searchable database https://www.crewjanci.com/resources/boy-scout-perversion-files/

This definitely look like a money play. In no way discounting what happened to the youth and in no way excusing the way the BSA (National / Council / Local CO) handled these cases. Challenge is there is liability in the way this was handled. Problem is many of these go back (even in their admission) almost 80 years. The lawyers typically state they want policies to change etc, which BSA has clearly done. This is grandstanding, nothing else. If they have incidents in the last 10 years, after the more stringent YPT was rolled out, then you have a case that warrants attention. The only reason to get wound up on the past ones is if BSA starts denying it happened.

Keep the trailer small. We have an 80 person troop, camp with 30 - 40 most of the time. Trailer is (Interior) 7.5' L x 5.0' W x 5.5' H, single axle. Double doors on the back. Shelves down one side and then the floor holds the large patrol boxes. Can hold easily adult gear, the six patrol boxes, 7 tables (they fold), 8 tarps, and assorted random gear. Trailer can be hauled with SUV's and does not need any special setup. For summer camp we only haul trunks and it can take 18 - 20 of those. We bring another trailer for additional trunks Main thing (as many have said) look at tongue weight, hauling weight, special brakes hook up etc. Sort of like your basement, the larger the trailer the more stuff you will bring Don't fall into the trap of a trailer that cannot be hauled with the majority of vehicles the troop may have access to now AND going forward

So...not to do a disservice to the journey, and it is each Scout's journey, basic project management, if you have hard stop to achieve something you will need a plan. We had an older teen (15 and 8 months) join the troop a couple of years ago. Mainly he wanted to attend high adventure with friends in the troop. As he did attend one high adventure and then camp (as a "new" scout) we talked about what he wanted to do in Scouting. Long story short, we backdated a plan for when HE would need to attain various ranks. HE would have to do this, HE would need to attend our second summer camps to get enough optional merit badges, HE would need to serve in the leadership, HE would need to propose, plan, and perform a project. Fast forward, he is 18 in maybe 90 days. He has earned his 21 merit badges, served as JASM in the troop and at summer camps, went to high adventure, went to outings, and just got his project approved. Should wrap up before 18th birthday. It can be done if THEY want to earn it, see the value, and you can support the journey.

I am assuming you mean they banned the skit from summer camp performances and council events. That is their event and they can do what they want. What a troop does out in the woods and the mud and dark of the campfire ring is really up to that troop and their interpretation of the guideline of the BSA

Well...they've all been so busy justifying The Summit, whose got time for Mission Statements

Our council doesn't seem to have an annual report, or at least not one that can be found. Assume that tells me all I really need to know.....

Would this be after the normal Boy Scout Scouts BSA summer camp sessions?

Funniest thing I've read today

Other than the co-branding issues that GSUSA will not doubt have conniptions over, the one phrase in the article was interesting: The group decided to merge with a Freetown boys because several girls had siblings in the group. Not the units issue as this was written by the reporters. If you were not familiar with BSA then your assumption would be that Boy Scouts is in fact now coed. Merge would certainly imply one coed unit (and that may in fact be what they are doing in reality if separate on paper).

Changed with the rollout of revised YPT I believe back last year (Spring 2018). Below is the official section. Note "registered", so a 21 + leader and parent over 21 would not cut it Two registered adult leaders 21 years of age or over are required at all Scouting activities, including meetings. There must be a registered female adult leader 21 years of age or over in every unit serving females. A registered female adult leader 21 years of age or over must be present for any activity involving female youth. Notwithstanding the minimum leader requirements, age- and program-appropriate supervision must always be provided.

I guess it's a way to promote and upsell. Would be disappointing to be on day 8 of your trek and have to work around the families from PTC on their day hike. Sort of diminishes the back country feel

So the news from Philmont is NOW... they are bringing back the Tooth of Time hike option for participants at Philmont Training Center (apparently was an option years back AND) adding this option for the Philmont Family Camp program. So now you may well encounter families etc in the back country on the Tooth of Time. Not sure how the stroller will do on the trail up, should be interesting. Not sure how I feel about that

Sadly in your case, that is correct. Votes would be symbolic at best. The committee does not "elect" the CC, that is an appointed (or in you specific case anointed) position. Unless the COR is good with the change, there is little the vote would do but further cause issues. I would say the meeting between the COR and CC as they discuss the vote could be entertaining. As others have said the best course of action may be to move on to another pack or form a new one. Unless the COR / CC / Chief cook and bottle washer wishes to voluntarily move aside, you are stuck. Even if you got a new CC the former CC (now only COR) could still exert undue influence because it seems that control is what they want

I also recall that bath / warm water thing was not the recommended treatment. Gradually warm up, the dry heat on the core, warm drinks, etc. We had some, while not hypothermic, but honestly just on the fringe one time. It was like 0 degrees, in the southeast US mountains, and we from the deep south are not geared for such foolishness, we idled the bus, got the heater going full bore, and made a warming room. The warm drinks did the best honestly. Also if you have a dead tauntaun nearby, and your lightsaber handy, you can cut it open and put the patient inside. Granted you would need to be on a frozen planet for that to really work well, but it is an option