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  1. How much drama could there be if everyone was onboard with the decision? Of course there would be drama with the objectors but it also lets everyone know where the CO and/or troop leadership stands on any future changes. Backdoor meetings and whispers between leaders certainly doesn't build respect or trust.
  2. I don't disagree but many COs don't have any involvement with the packs or troops other than providing meeting space. It wasn't our CO that wanted a girl troop, it was the leaders with daughters that wanted the girl troop and asked for one. Every leader and committee member in our troop has a child in the troop. Some adult leaders actively petitioned for the girl troop and their voices were heard. Being involved with committee meetings would have been the only opportunity for anti-girl parents to voice their opinions. If parents are not actively involved in the troop, decisions will be made by the parents that are. Our troop always encourages anyone to attend the committee meetings but sadly few do.
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    Supplies

    somewhere (facebook maybe) I saw a post where the pack used orange pill bottles. Got them donated new from a local pharmacy or something. Of course I wonder if the child proof cap would prevent them from opening? hmm.
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    2019 World Jamboree

    fyi - WSJ day passes are now available. I was able to get ours last night. https://www.2019wsj.org/attend/day-visitors/?fbclid=IwAR0KipxPhJIj4OXNMTnsv6VJu6ud9IEykS3qfHf0HCCuC56w9vpNCTRrcHM
  5. Yes sounds like fun, too far for us though. I am aware of activities at West Point and Annapolis. Troop has been to a West Point activity, had fun but it was very crowded. Navy's is STEM related, haven't done it yet. https://www.facebook.com/ScoutmastersCouncil/ https://www.facebook.com/USNABoyScoutJamboree/ Coastguard also. don't know anything about this one. http://coastguard.dodlive.mil/2017/01/boy-scouts-get-hands-on-experience-at-coast-guard-academy/
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    Keeping Older Scouts

    Our shooting campouts are always popular but most scouts in our area do not have their own guns or access to guns. My son lost interest in shooting with scouts because he's bored of the .22 after shooting it for several years at campouts, camp and in private. He's only interested now if I mention other guns.
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    PW Derby Car from past year

    our pack always had old spare pw cards in the closet. anyone that didn't want to keep their car could donate it to the cause. these served as examples to new cubs/parents and were also used as family participation cars after the cub races were over. my 30yo+ cars are part of that collection so they still get run on occasion. Kindness is important but compromising the rules for an individual when everyone else followed them can lead to problems. Our pack always had a few days when cubs with no tools at home or a parent that couldn't help would be able to come in and get their cars ready.
  8. wasn't sure where to put this. Does filling out a youth application count towards BSA membership numbers or local executive recruitment goals of some kind? Took my 14yo Life scout to a Venturing meeting. This crew was advertised as having an emphasis on specific areas that my son has an interest in. The recruitment meeting was poorly planned and very confusing with almost no talk about what they do. Anyway, my son did not want to join the crew based on that meeting and so neither one of us filled out an application. The local BSA executive saw that we were not filling out the paperwork and made an announcement that filling out the application will give the crew contact info for everyone and to not worry about any other specifics until they start asking for money. My son is already in the BSA so his fee would be waived but I'm not going to submit an application for him when he isn't sure about the crew. I've become a terrible cynic as I've grown older and I was wondering if the executive was encouraging us to fill out an application because it would somehow increase enrollment numbers or something. I can imagine that my son would be listed as belonging in a crew that he may never see again. Someone please tell me I'm wrong. thx
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    Troop office expectations

    you said the plc does not choose these kinds of things. Are adventurous ideas ever submitted? Does the plc know that more adventurous camping is an option? Our troop was full of stale ideas and adult leaders set in their ways. The scouts had been doing the same things for years because that was the only thing they knew. It took a few new vocal scouts to submit fresh ideas they found online to the plc and a few willing adults to start making things happen. Many scouts would not know what Philmont was unless someone told them. My son had never been canoeing before he joined the troop, so I don't think it was unusual for him to not consider it as an activity when planning. I think this is common when you are dealing with young scouts that don't have a lot of experiences. if ideas are submitted to the plc but just not chosen then what about splitting the troop if resources are available? Older scouts go on a backpacking trip and the younger scouts or scouts that don't want to backpack camp locally and do something else. If the scouts are having fun they will come. Why would they want to be there if its not fun? I wouldn't want to come either.
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    And so it begins

    I concur with Parkman's thoughts. The troop my son joined had no chaplain aide, said no prayer before meals and had no sunday services. Our CO has never had any interest in being involved with the scouts either, the church is just a place to meet. Religion was never emphasized in my son's pack or troop (or when I was a cub 30+ years ago). It has only been in the past year that one vocal parent has gotten the troop to say grace and if a scout wants to be a CA, he is welcome to do so. IMO I think the troop leadership just felt that duty to god was best dealt with at home. I was surprised to see how much religion was emphasized by some scouters when I first joined these forums.
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    Linked troops share bank account?

    our CO is very hands off so they have nothing to do with our bank account. just from experiences with our troop, people are not always going to agree on how money is spent. some adults find it easy to spend money that is not theirs. IMO there will be many questions similar to this one in the future, you have to find what works for your troops but I tend to be cautious and the less people that have their hands in the pot, the better.
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    selecting a uniform hat for a new troop

    most boy scouts in our troop don't wear hats so they just use whatever personal head gear they want if any. Personally I don't see the need for mandatory assigned hats. If the youth don't like them, they won't use them anyway.
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    Starting a new troop: Budget items

    Our troop charges $30 above the required fee. This provides a necker, slide, patrol patch and advancement/MBs the first year. All campouts including summercamp are charged separately in advance. Try and network. Does someone's grandfather or someone at the CO own some property where you can camp? What about shooting sports/hunting clubs in the region? beg and borrow equipment in the beginning. many communities have facebook pages devoted to local happenings, post that the new troop is looking for tents and items that might be taking up space in someone's garage. people are happy to help the scouts when they can and maybe that old tent will only last a year but by then there should be some fundraiser money in the bank. Also, depending on what tents you eventually buy, do not pay retail! Several companies give scout discounts on tents. we sell popcorn and do an annual fundraiser as well. the two combined replace any needed tents and purchase any new equipment like staves or rope. our troop also assists with leadership training costs so some cash goes there.
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    Pre-season Pinewood Derby drama

    We did this. It was only a few parents so it didn't take long at the end but it was fun because the dads didn't have to adhere to all of the usual rules. one dad used rubber tires and that resulted in the car going off track every time to much laughter from the scouts. we also did work days but not at regular scout time. a separate day or two was set aside on the weekend for a few hours in the church basement with various tools so that a scout could work on cars if their family did not have the necessary tools. My son's first pack had a lot of single moms with no tools or knowledge about such things. I admit to rolling my eyes on occasion. One car really stands out in my memory. There's no way the tiger cub did anything except maybe some of the sanding. It looked like a real toy car you could buy at the store. But that's between the scout and his father. My kid did almost everything on his cars including using the saw except for a few cuts. That's how we roll in my house. If someone is going to do all the work for their scout, there's really nothing you can do to prevent it. Are you going to disqualify a scout's car? I enjoy this scout cartoon.
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    Simply falling behind or is it more complicated?

    Don't know anything about boys vs girls. My son's school system pushes students to attend college, not just encourages, but emphasizes college as the goal. My wife and I have several degrees but feel college is not for everyone. The recent highschool graduates of our extended family have gone on to college because that's what they were told they needed to do. Both dropped out the first year after getting sizeable loans. Now both are pursuing law enforcement and possibly EMT. Those seem like skills better suited to them. My son's school had a job fair and not a single trade was there. It was all IT and medical based with the local FD and PD mixed in. How do you not have a trade at a large job fair? They weren't invited. I asked some of my teacher friends and they said something about the school being ranked/graded on the number of future college students it has. Students that would be best served by exploring options other than college don't get what they need. There is a very scary future on the way. Our school system has implemented a program that goes by several names Summit, Basecamp, individualized learning platform. Its experimental and in more and more school systems. When you follow the paper trail, you find that this program is sponsored by Gates and Zuckerberg money. The school got everything for free so of course they agreed to it. The students spend much of their time on the computers and are encouraged to use Youtube, Facebook and Instagram. There are a lot of crazy things about this program that I could go on and on about. We have a small school and there are a lot of parents unhappy with the direction our students are going. The wife and I both went to trade schools our last two years of highschool. I never thought I would have a chance to go to college and she thought she'd be a secretary. We agree that we learned more at the trade school and in our first professional jobs than we did in college 20 years ago. I don't know what they are like now but when we were in college, our classes were stagnant and mostly boring with no real world application of what we were learning. We still have our text books and I've flipped through them for a laugh. The only good reason for us to have been in college was to get the piece of paper that says we have a degree so we could get our foot in the door and prove ourselves. Its obviously not that way for everyone.
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