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Good news, indeed! Sounds like the District Rep (a role I have served countless times) had a major discussion with the unit leaders and convinced them that an overturn on appeal was inevitable and they chose not to have the egg on their faces. How they make the paperwork fit is not important now. Congrats to the new Brother Eagle!

In my experience, an appeal is handled by convening an EBOR at the District level, chaired by the District Advancement Chairman. YES, I would appeal. I agree with the others above...if the project was not "up to snuff", then the time to correct it was when the proposal was approved, and when the completion was approved...at both the Unit and the District level. By the time the scout gets to the EBOR (at the unit level), there should be no question that the requirements were met, as evidenced by the appropriate signatures on the project workbook. The project gets discussed, certainly, but there is no "passing or failing" of the project at that point. The assumption SHOULD be that the other adults involved, who signed off on the project, knew what they were doing and looking at. That being said, perhaps the write-up could use some "beefing up" highlighting and emphasizing the PLANNING and LEADING involved, rather than the actual work. I don't agree that starting from scratch with a new project is necessary. And the age of the scout is irrelevant, unless he is bumping up against 18. Good luck.

In my Council, I am one of the few Scouters who is NOT a veteran. One of them is a former POW who served a tour of duty in the Hanoi Hilton with John McCain and received the Navy Cross. It was 10 years before I knew...seemed like a regular fella. Most vets I know are pretty low-key about it.

I'm with you on the "no drama"...especially the older I get. However...I would NOT sacrifice my integrity by approving an AOL for a mother who clearly did not follow the rules. "A Scout is Trustworthy" applies to adults too. I would print out an advancement sheet of her son's APPROVED accomplishments, hand it to her and wish them well. If she has issues with that, she can take it up with the District Advancement Committee.

If I were still doing Unit scouting, I think I would decide that this is just "too hard"...

My opinion: this WAS a sexual assault and YP issue. I would at least cover your own behind and make a mandatory report to your Scout Executive. Let him/her advise you as to your response. The fact that it was not a sanctioned Scout activity may or may not be relevant. At a minimum, I would remove the SPL from office permanently. The SE may remove his membership.

They took "A Scout is Friendly" to a whole new level. I was once the District Rep on an EBOR and as we were reading the letters of recommendation, one was from his sister who was heaping praise on her brother for being such a good father. The two were still "living in sin" under her parents' roof. Well, the Troop Committee members were livid, primarily because we were blindsided by the SM who thought it wasn't "relevant". It was not a unanimous vote. The scout appealed to Council, who rubber stamped it. The CO was a Methodist Church.

Definitely Webelos. Old, since there's no FDL. Perhaps a local council's Webelos Camp patch? What's the size?

I have been married going on 44 years. My wife once asked me "if something happens to me, would you find someone else?" My immediate response now would be "hell no!" She has some "liberal feminist" friends who behave worse than any of my horndog male buddies ever did but are staunchly in favor of hanging Kavanaugh out to dry. Why would I risk subjecting myself to that? Ladies, I'm afraid you've "screwed the pooch" this time...so take your pink hats and leave me alone.

Back in the day, we would have a standard "fee" for the weekend, say $5 for example. Collect the money up front a week before the campout. Take the cash with you to the store...that's all you have to work with. Sometimes the whole patrol would go shopping...and we learned how to comparison shop, budget our money, and not buy things we couldn't afford.

LOL..reminds me of the time when I was Cubmaster and a parent called to demand to know when meetings were going to start. I said, "as soon as you volunteer to become a Den Leader"...she got furious and demanded to speak to my "supervisor"...so I handed the phone to my wife.

I hear Ivory league is the way to go. The kids come out squeaky clean....maybe even SCOTUS material.

"Momma" shouldn't be doing any of it...these are BOY SCOUTS. (Just wanted to echo the other strong opinions above!)

Establishing a "club" with initiation "trials" is defined as "hazing" and is strictly prohibited (except for Order of the Arrow which is sanctioned by BSA and strictly monitored by adults). While I would have handled it differently, I will not second guess the adults who were there.

Historically, ALL of these aquatics patches (BSA Lifeguard, Aquatics Instructor, Mile Swim, Snorkeling, etc) go on the swim suit.

Unless it's changed, MBC are registered with the Council and do not need to be a member of a unit.

Simply explain to the parents that the BSA is a "binary" organization..."male" or "female"...there is no provision for other "identities" or "no identity". Let them discuss it with their child and let you know what they decide. If they don't like your answer, give them the number of your SE. What does not seem "right" to me is that society has deteriorated to the point that we have to have this discussion at all...especially as volunteers who are simply trying to help out.

Tell his parents that if he does not ""identify" as a boy, he is not eligible for membership. If he chooses to "identify" as a girl, he will have to wait until girls are admitted. Those are the only two choices available to them at the present time. Sheesh.

Reminds me of a lesson we were taught in Lutheran confirmation class in 1968. It is incorrect to call your church "St. John's Lutheran Church". The correct title is "St. John Lutheran Church." We don't have churches owned by Saints. They are all God's Churches. The Catholics disagree, apparently.

He wasn't just a few hours or days short of the requirement...he was TWO MONTHS short. He and everyone else knew this at his Life BOR and it should have been a topic of major discussion at that time. Sorry...the requirements were not met.

I don't care how many knots and doo-dads he has on his uniform. He's not "getting it". He needs to go.

Don't know when you made Eagle, but yes, times are different. We did a LOT of things back in the 60s and 70s without proper training that would make today's BSA lawyers apoplectic. The rules are there for a reason...to prevent kids from dying and to prevent you from losing all your worldly goods in a lawsuit. Your attitude scares me. Please get training and memorize the latest copy of the Guide to Safe Scouting (free online). It's for your own good, mate.

If you don't have current training in Safety Afloat and Safe Swim Defense (and preferably BSA Lifeguard), and don't know what you are doing, choose a different activity. Heed the above advice. Welcome to the discussions.

His treatment of the youth is clearly bullying. A clear Youth Protection violation. Report it as such. go directly to the Scout Executive...do not deal with the troop leadership any longer, since they are clearly incapable/unwilling to handle it. This man obviously has anger issues and needs to be removed from Scouting...permanently.

Then we're done here. Good luck and God bless.