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  1. 69RoadRunner

    Icarus dilemma

    Less weight = more happiness. Go with the lighter pack and work on a lower base weight. Mine is around 12 pounds right now. On a budget you can easily be under 15 before crew gear, food and water. My mostly complete list for our 7/28/2019 trek: https://lighterpack.com/r/1y08fv
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    Cell Phones at Summer Camp

    We did that at Sea Base last year when a situation with 2 scouts on our vessel reached a point where the parent needed to be called. Also, they were told to leave cell phones in the van back at the Sea Base barracks but this scout didn't leave his. The scout refused to turn over the phone so we got the parents to talk to him. Then he turned it over.
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    Cell Phones at Summer Camp

    Good grief! This just seems insane to me. Please stop playing lawyer ball.
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    Where to Stay in Colorado Springs

    I booked the hotel with the fewest pictures of dead body carpet stains on Yelp in Colorado City, CO. It's a little closer to Philmont than Pueblo.
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    Cell Phones at Summer Camp

    Lay the rules out ahead of time. If the rules are violated, give the scout the option to lock up the device in a vehicle or go home. You're not stealing it. I'm OK with phones during vehicle travel and having them to contact parents on the way home with our ETA. We're going to Philmont and I have 1 scout with diabetes whose phone works with his insulin pump. He might be on a new device, but his dad is going and they have that worked out. I'd like scouts to be able to take pictures when appropriate. I really only have 1 crew member I'm concerned about not following those rules. Most probably won't take the phone on the trek, but will on the plane/van ride. We had an issue with a couple of scouts at Sea Base last year with phones that makes me want to be more restrictive. I just hate when 1 or 2 people cause harsh rules for everyone else. I don't like group punishment.
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    Where to Stay in Colorado Springs

    I budgeted for good food in Colorado Springs. We're getting something good before 12 days of "oh this is good only because I'm starving from all the hiking and I have no other choice" backpacking food.
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    Where to Stay in Colorado Springs

    Now that I look at the map, perhaps playing in Colorado Springs for the day and then driving 45 minutes toward Philmont and stay in Pueblo, CO, home to government pamphlets. Hotels look cheaper there and we'd have a shorter drive in the morning.
  8. We’re flying into Denver and are planning something flexible (Garden of the Gods, Pikes Peak) in Colorado Springs when we arrive. Most of the crew plans to use Philtents, so we’re looking for a hotel for the 10 of us. We’ll leave early in the morning for our first day of Philmont the next day. Any suggestions for good places to stay in Colorado Springs?
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    Not Quite Prepared for Philmont

    I had PF in both feet at the same time. I had a boot that I wore every night, alternating feet each night. I managed to sleep with it.
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    Not Quite Prepared for Philmont

    I bought this one. Thanks!! https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IBGJKW4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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    Not Quite Prepared for Philmont

    I bought 2 packs of trash compactor bags and handed them out to the crew to use as liners. I have a nylofume bag for myself. Good advice on the pads.
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    Not Quite Prepared for Philmont

    I'm trying to teach them to use some of the lightweight techniques that modern backpackers are using in their through hikes of the Appalachian Trail and other trails. If backpacking becomes something they want to do after scouts, I want them to know they can go light and enjoy backpacking more. Using Smartwater or other "disposable" bottles is very common among lightweight backpackers. They are surprisingly durable and light. I was told one of our previous scoutmasters took our troop to Philmont and hit the trail with a pack that weighed over 70 pounds. I can only assume he carried a dutch oven.
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    Not Quite Prepared for Philmont

    I told our scouts to pack all of their personal gear in their backpack. Then make sure they had enough space leftover to fit their home bed pillow in the pack. This would ensure there was enough space for food and crew gear. One scout arrived at gear shakedown with a pack that looked completely full. I was worried. He had arrived with the pillow in his pack to prove he had enough space.
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    Not Quite Prepared for Philmont

    We did a gear shakedown and hike today. Many members are missing items. One common thing was not having a waterproof stuff sack for their sleeping bag. I gave them all trash compactor bags to line their packs, which works a heck of a lot better than a pack cover. But, it's critical to keep the sleeping bag dry. Some were missing a fleece or other warm layer for high altitude. I had sent out a link to a great Old Navy fleece that was on sale for dirt cheap early spring, but most ignored that. My son was trying a frameless pack. That isn't going to work. He's going back to his heavier Gregory pack. It will transfer the weight to his hips better. My Zpacks Arc Haul is great. Love how light it is and it carries well. We got some more experience with the remote canister stoves. I found an 8 quart pot in our shed, but from what I've read, 6 quart pots are plenty for a crew of 10. I think we have some that size in our shed. I gave them two 1 liter Smartwater bottles and a Gatorade bottle plus a CNOC 2 liter container. The Gatorade bottle will be what they use for drink mix so we know what to send up in the bear bags. We have no dry camps.
  15. I know not every stove is equal, but how much canister fuel should we expect to start with? How often do you restock? We haven't been able to do enough shakedowns to get a good idea. I was able to boil about 5-6 quarts of water in about 13 minutes with our setup. How much water do you need to boil for 10 crew members? I'll have a personal stove for coffee, so I'll have an emergency stash of fuel.
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