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  5. NOAC 2015 1 2

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  6. 2012 NOAC at Michigan State 1 2

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  7. Noac as a Adult

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  8. NOAC 2009 1 2

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  9. OA ?????

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  10. NOAC Contingent Fees

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    • Just to wrap this one up...in case anyone was keeping score....after discussions with the COR, the District Executive, and the Council Executive, this Scouter was asked to step down from any and all leadership positions in the Troop. It was painful because this person's heart was in the right place, but the decision was in the best interest of scouting. Thanks everyone for their input and guidance.
    • OK since my other recent posts have been so serious, I figure I might be able to necro-post on this "fun" one!  I recently bought a BSA red jacshirt and affixed the official BSA patch on the front. I wore it to a Council Klondike Derby, and let's just say, the red shirt is making a SWIFT comeback! So many of them were there, but I was "called out" for not having enough patches! All the other guys had their shirts covered in patches. They had every camporee they've ever been to, unit insignia, council patches, OA patches,...just covered. Mine was blank. So ok, the uniform police say just the BSA patch, maybe an OA thingy, and a Philmont or other high adventure patch....but uniform police aside, what do people think about this nowadays (I say that since this thread was started 20 years ago!).  I'm specifically wondering if, as a scoutmaster, it would be appropriate to place previous scouter position patches like Cubmaster, 50 miler award, week long scout camp patches, Scout Show patches, and even non-scouting patches from Appalachian Mountain Club high mountain huts? I guess maybe I'm answering my own question, by saying if I'm not willing to follow BSA guidelines, then why do I care....but just looking for opinions, especially about the Cubmaster patch....or even my old rank patches (I still have them all up to Life!). Thoughts?  
    • 17 years later... Welcome to the forum @Smokediver! Sorry to hear this happened to you. BSA professionals are very much more worried about image than reality. This is why the head-in-the-sand (or should I say hiding the dirty laundry?) tactics of dealing with child sexual abuse within the ranks have come back to bite them. You are a victim of the pendulum swinging too far in the opposite direction... Thank you for 39 years worth of service to Scouting.  If I had the power, I'd re-examine the details of your case, and re-instate if warranted. BSA will most likely never do that, unless you are a big money donor, or well-connected in the C-suite. In their eyes, you and I are expendable, and easily replaced...
    • I agree. And it will dumb down "Patrol Method" to the point of the method used mainly to manage large groups. The economics of the program is already intuitively pushing Adults to get more personally involved in the scouts' activities, which is more like the cub program. Scouts will have less control of the program management and make fewer decisions for the outcome of the activities. It will be fun without a purpose. This is what happened to the Canadian Scouts program about 30 years ago and the membership numbers have never recovered. They were the largest scouting program in the world before the changes. A lot of people believe if we start following European models, the program will grow. But there are two facts to consider with that theory; first, the European units haven't been growing with the population except in the UK. Second, the adults in the European units aren't as involved in the management of the units as the North American scout units.  The scouts have more control, and more importantly, more responsibility for their program.  Young adults just don't want to be part of a monitored after-school type of program. Fun can only be fun for so long. Without the structure of responsibility and independence, the program quickly gets boring. Which is why the majority of new Venturing Crews have a short life span. If adults have a choice on how to build their units (segregated option for starters), those who are more into the program for the character values growth can build within the BSA program structure. Ironically, these are the types of units that grow membership. But those units will be few and far between, so membership nationally won't reflect the growth of those units. And like the changes we experienced in the last 60 years, National will continually tune the program to benefit the trends of the majority. Usually, away from adventure and more toward advancement because that kind of program is easier for the adults to measure and manage. Barry
    • Agree completely. And like I was saying way back, I think de facto blended troops will become more and more common, making the situation less and less tenable, as groups of cub scouts cross over. I can't know for sure, of course, but I think it's going to turn into a situation like the one-night camping for cubs where the rules are widely ignored because they don't make sense to neither the people running the program (those who want what I think of as normal scouting in this case) nor the scouts themselves. Like we were also saying before the suffering of impermanence segway, the command structure also ends up being either confusing or wasteful. The rules strike me as the outcome of a lot of wrangling in meetings between people who wanted different things. I fully expect this to be some kind of transitional phase followed by ditching the dual command structure requirement after people digest the change a little.
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