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  1. First, welcome. Second, you need to speak to your charter organization's legal counsel. This is a very, very delicate thing and the answer is going to depend on who is the legal parent or guardian of that scout. If you withhold information from that scout's legal parent or guardian, you put your troop and the chartered organization at legal risk. It may be that this answers the question. But it may not if you do not know for sure who is the legal parent/guardian of record. EDIT: One more note. Depending on your state's guardianship laws, even if the grandparent has been named the scout's legal guardian, you still may not be allowed to simply deprive the parent of information regarding the child's whereabouts. All the more reason your chartered organization's legal counsel needs to be brought into this. NOW.
  2. The head of the chartered organization, referred to in Scouting literature as the "executive officer." These may sometimes be the same person. "The Chartered Organization Representative (COR), who will be appointed by the Chartered Organization." See the Chartered Organization Representative Guidebook. As for how, the only way I've seen it done has been to offer up a new person. Simply going to the Chartered Org itself or the EO thereof and complaining never, ever, ever works. What I have seen work is "Hey COR thanks for your service, would you be interested in letting so and so have a chance?" or easing the person out with a replacement already picked. Remember: the COR was put there by the Chartered Org. You have to in effect convince the Chartered Org was wrong in the first place or is wrong now to keep this person around AND that someone else is willing to step up. I know at lots of units whose COR remains only because no one else wants the position/is scared of the position.
  3. Not sure where that is coming from, is there a source?
  4. Ok, I have not been around scouting that long, but I have never, ever, ever heard of a council demanding certain dollar figures being raised or else no recharter. Council fees are one thing, can't do anything about that I'm afraid National allows them to be directly tie to recharter. But mandatory targets for fundraising? No way.
  5. No, but National's ability to issue council charters is. And I cannot think of ANY bankruptcy I ever heard of where the court ordered the chartered entity to relinquish their congressional charter (and I looked). Remember: they filed a Chapter 11 (reorganization) not a Chapter 7 (liquidation). You might have an argument that National surrendered its ability to function entirely with a Chapter 7, but that is not what it happening.
  6. Not cynicism as much as legal; in other words I think the plaintiffs would like it, but I cannot find a legal basis that would force a Congressionally chartered organization to return their charter to Congress. In other words, yes, plaintiffs will drain national and the councils dry of funds, but not utterly shut them down. This goes back to the Dale lawsuit when certain members of Congress tried to revoke the Scouts Charter. During the debates the argument was that a) the organization could return its charter to Congress b) all applicable members of the chartered organization die (e.g. Grand Army of the Republic, United Spanish War Veterans, Veterans of World War I of the United States) or c) Congress could revoke the charter it BUT a court couldn't do so.
  7. I do not see a bankruptcy judge approving any plan which results in the elimination of National in its entirety, forcing the organization to return its charter to Congress, and disbanding/liquidating 200+ councils. It may be what some plaintiffs lawyers want, it does not mean they will get it. That said, I see a crippled National and 100 mega-merged Councils that may or may not operate cooperatively or well. As for minimum standard from 1910-1913 there was none. From 1913- they standard was they had to have a charter from National.
  8. It was in an email to me when I asked for the Churchill reports and an official copy of Scouting Forward: Plan to Lead and not just a screencap.
  9. Right, that's what the lawyers want: all council assets including endowments. It remains to be seen if they get them. As for mega-merging, depends on why it failed. For example, when LDS left I know several councils in Utah mega-merged because it made no sense to have a council with 12 units. And breaking a failing council into smaller ones doesn't always make sense either because now you could get a council that is district-size or smaller. As for letting the community form a new council, I am not sure I understand. The only way that would work (that I can see of) is that a new entity is formed and incorporated (NEW COUNCIL, LLC), any and all staff or board members of OLD COUNCIL, LLC are removed, and all assets of OLD COUNCIL, LLC are transferred to NEW COUNCIL, LLC. Is that the kind of thing you are talking about?
  10. Churchill was selected a year ago. According to the presentation at National Annual Meeting, it was chosen because Winston Churchill was a leader in a time of change. The discussion of the name "Churchill" is at 49:00 in the General Session Video. They 6 committees are "Churchill groups" and their plans are "Churchill projects".
  11. Not national, but other councils, yes. Alamo Area Council https://www.alamoareabsa.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/AAC-COVID-19-Warning-and-Waiver.pdf South Texas Council http://southtexasbsa.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/STCBSA-COVID-19-Warning-and-Waiver_June-2020_fillable.pdf Daniel Webster Council https://nhscouting.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Unit-Activty-Meeting-Guidance-2.0.pdf Great Smokey Mountain Council https://www.easttnscouts.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Camp-Property-COVID-Forms.pdf
  12. Probably isn't, but I found it online leaked by a high level National training staff person and thought I would share. And the graphic itself was later confirmed as accurate in a letter sent out by the National Commodore for Sea Scouts who linked to the Reddit item. How sad is it we are at the point that the only way to get information out of National is via leak?
  13. July 10, 2020 Proposed Changes to Older Youth Scouting The Churchill Project was recently discussed during the recent BSA National Annual Meeting General Session. The update included proposed recommendations to finances, operational structure and program streamlining that were guided over the past year by separate teams of volunteers and staff from the national, regional, area and local levels. Among these recommendations, two proposals that directly affect adult program participants ages 18 or older (those involved with Order of the Arrow, Exploring, Sea Scouts, and Venturing) include: 1) To only offer programs for youth under the age of 38. Some of the reasons behind the proposal are to serve only youth in our “youth programs,” serving programs within similar age programs (high school), and the legal aspects of serving adults (age 18+} and youth (under age 18) in the same program. 2) To combine Sea Scouting into Exploring as an aquatic-focused career path. The Churchill Project recommendations have been reviewed & accepted by the National Executive Committee. The appropriate teams are now being asked to develop action steps and a proposed timeline for implementation, which will include the decision making needed to support any impacted members. in the case of the recommendations pertaining to adult program participants, consideration will be made for those participants currently working on advancement or holding leadership roles. While we anticipate that some of the Churchill Project Recommendations may be easily implemented promptly, while others that are more complicated will take longer and be spread over the appropriate time period needed. As we always do, the BSA looks to prepare young people to make ethical and moral choices over their lifetimes by instilling in them the values of the Scout Oath and Law, and our work is guided by focusing on what is best for all our members. More information will be shared in early fall as these and other proposals are submitted for implementation. Contacting youth officers with questions about these topics is not the appropriate channel and puts them in an awkward position where they do not have information to share. Please direct questions and concerns to PR@scouting.org.
  14. The "volunteer corps for young adults 18-29" could, might, maybe be a modified Rovers program.
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