Eagle94-A1

Before BSA produced a spiral bound book, a friend of mine took his to some printing shop where they cut the perfect bound book and turned it into a spiral bound book. When the first spiral bound book came out, he didn't like the quality nor the cost, and repeated the above. He said it was better quality and cheaper.

As a former pro and long time volunteer, I've seen good DEs, and I have seen bad ones. I've seen some coast, and I seen some burn out with exhaustion. I've seen some that had "leverage" over the upper management and didn't have to lift a finger to succeed, and some were so hounded by the upper management, that they worked so much that their marriage, and even health failed them. And of course I've seen a bunch leave in frustration and disillusionment.

My thoughts. 1) I think the parents do not understand the process and need to be registered. The MB process is a chance for the Scout to show interest without parental involvement. It is also suppose to allow him initiative. 2) Me personally, I will NOT sign off on any of my son's advancement UNLESS there is no other registered MBC in the district, and even then I will have another adult look at the stuff and verify that he is actually doing it. We had an issue a while back in my council with one grandfather, father, and mother registering to be MBCs in addition to their unit roles

BLW2, The Leadership Corps was what the Venture crew (not Venturing Crew), now called a Venture patrol, was called back in my day. usually it was the older Scouts who had troop level positions: QM, Librarian, Instructor, etc. Lots of different ways to work it, but here is how it worked in my troop. If I can find the Leadership Corps book I'll post some official stuff. , 1. Had to be First Class or above, a PL for at least 6 months (most were a PL for year or longer), and be elected by existing members of the LC to be a member. 2. ASPL was the PL of the LC since he is responsibl

OK I'm back 3) Since all the Varsity Teams I've seen have been LDS, yes I've heard on non-LDS teams but have not seen them, I think the reason for the switch from Leadership Corps to Venture crew, as well as the creation of the high adventure activity pins for wear on the Varsity/Venture V Award, was created based upon LDS units using Varsity Teams.

The concept of the New Scout Patrol and Troop Guide position came out officially in August 1989 as part of the OPERATION FIRST CLASS Program. National did some research saying that Scouts who get First Class within a year tend to stay in Scouting longer, and looked at some things to use to retain membership. Hence Operation First Class. The New Scout patrol, Troop Guide, renaming the Leadership Corps the Venture crew, etc as well as doing away with time requirements between T-2-1 ranks were all party of that process. My thoughts; 1) While the report does show a correlation between adva

My troop, stressing troop, growing up had a policy of anyone with 7 or more MBs could wear a sash. I think it came from the long sleeve shirt policy. HOWEVER none of us ever wore long sleeve shirts. Otherwise ANYONE can wear a MB sash.

Hedgehog, ROTFLMBO! The duty roster story reminded me of one of the biggest issues. Now the folks in the NSP have been in the troop anywhere from 6-8 months, with one guy coming aboard last December. So they have some camping experience and know why a duty roster is important. Also their troop guide was a PL, so he knows as well. WWWWEEEEELLLLL the duty roster was just a list of working pairs with no meals or duties listed. Just a bunch of names on a grid. And no one but the TG had a copy of it, and it was in a book. Grant you I had to intervene, because an argument was going

Yep, I'm using my experiences as a guide. As to using BP's and GBB's literature, if you read it does it say anywhere about boys joining as an entire den at one time? I don't think you will find one as that concept is a relatively new one. It used to be boys joined Boy Scouts as soon as they turned 12, then it was dropped to 11. I don't know when the concept of entire dens crossing over at one time came out, but I know it wasn't a big deal like it is today in the early 80s. As Eagledad said, dividing up the new Scouts had some benefits. 1) No single patrol is at a disadvantage.

Only if you stay with in council. Unless things have changed, if you move to a different council, you get a new ID number, and you got to resubmit records. One of the biggest P.I.T.B.s when I moved 5 times in 7 years, was having to resubmit copies of everything.

BLW, Prior to 1989, the only types of patrols were the "Traditional" or mixed-aged patrol, and an older Scout patrol. The older Scout patrol has gone through various changes, both in program and name. The idea of the traditional or mixed aged patrol was two fold: first was to get a bunch of buddies together with similar intersts. But the second was to get Scouts of different abilities and expereince working together. Older Scouts in the patrol helped the younger scouts. The older Scouts in the patrol were the ones who taught vartious scoutcraft skills, in my expereince by buddying up

An update. Looks like we may have a new SM. My friend may be taking on the job since he is no longer affiliated with the pack. We'll see how long that lasts since one son is a Webelos, and step-son will be a Tiger next year. Plus his job. But he did say that with the abundance of adult leaders to help, we should have no problems. His approval as SM is in the hands of the troop committee and church committee. Thankfully he's a member of the church, and former youth minister. New SPL so far has taken the job seriously. Haven't worked with him since the Christmas Party though. But he does

I admit, I was "encouraged" to get Eagle by an uncle and cousin. But it was two other cousin's double Eagle COH that really impressed and inspired me to get Eagle as an 8 year old Wolf Cub Scout. In fact, the entire troop made such an impression on me, that when I switched troops, I went to them.

I admit, the adults made the decision for the Cross Over we got 2 weeks ago: wait until January 26th to get the new book, and just start using the new requirements. Since his Cross Over, all we had was the Christmas Party. Next Week is the next meeting. For the rest of them, We've informed them they have until December 31, 2016 to get to First Class or the next higher rank under the current requirements. What I hope does NOT happen is that units ignore the changes and have their Scouts keep working on the old requirements. Had a troop do that, and when they folded, some transferred Sc

"As for the original questions, like others, I'm not as skilled in the specifics of how the one-year webelos program works within the LDS units, but for other units, say a boy in 4th grade worked on, but did not complete the Webelos badge; it is my understanding that any adventures he earned could be use to fulfil the elective requirements for the AOL (since they technically were not used for the Webelos Badge)." Only as electives. HOWEVER I do not know how the Webelos Duty to God and You Adventure and Arrow of Light Duty to God in Action Adventure would work since the first requirement is

I agree with you, and think the new changes greatly diminish the AOL and the work of those who have been with the program a while. But the new rules are the new rules. We cannot add nor subtract them.

Vumbi, Actually my first year Webelos pointed it out to me. When he got his new book, he read it, and told me he didn't need to earn Webelos to get his AOL. So he was going to skip it and go directly to AOL so he can move up in May at 10.5 years. Then he changed his mind and decide to stick with his friends.

Unless it's district or council level folks, the troop or team committee selects the adult. The committee should be following the rules. But I've seen SMs allow folks to be candidates for election when they didn't meet the camping requirement. So I guess committees would too. Unfortunately there is no check as a "Scout is Trustworthy...."

I know LDS units do things a little differently, i.e. no Tigers; Wolves are age 8; Bears age 9; and Webelos age 10, and I do not know how the new program affected the LDS format. BUT under the new Cub Scout program, Webelos is not needed to earn AOL. BUT they need to do the new Adventures to get the AOL badge.

Powderhorn is suppose to be a pin now.

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BERSTIE, 1) WELCOME TO DA FORUMS! All, if you red my question on how to your units conduct elections and appoint positions, then you have a bit of an update. Elections, which should have been easy and smooth, turned into a long convoluted process. Long story short, you cannot nominate yourself, you need to be nominated for office. AND everyone seemed like they needed to reciprocate by nominating the person who nominated them for the same position And it's kinda a "tradition" that you don't vote for yourself. At least that's what my son told me. Found out last nite when the

In regards to lawsuits against COs for choosing their own leaders since July, I have no idea. I do know that there have been several prior to that, and not just based upon sexuality. There was a lawsuit against one CO by a parent because the CO wanted their members in leadership roles in the pack. The parent was not a member of the congregation, nor a member of the denomination and did sue. While it can be hard to be in that situation, I'm in it to a degree at the moment, I do understand where the COs are coming from. I also know the importance of having a good CO to UNITS relationship. I

SP, Sorry for the misunderstanding. I would need to get recertified. And I don't have the paid time off to do it. Heck, the troop's leaders were discussing who would be going to summer camp last nite at camp. One made the comment it's a pity I'm dealing with the paperwork, but can't go.

I'm so sorry to hear about this. A few thoughts. 1) Do you really think the anti Scout led leader will remain? If yes, AND your son is affected to the point of quitting, then move to another trip. If not, you may need stay and help out as best you can and take on the repsonsibility when anti-Scout led ASM fumbles. 2) If step down, be supportive of your son and look to other areas to support Scouting. Good luck.